What HOF Big 10 coach was a D-2 player and a former high school head coach
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Not sure what point you are making. Are you suggesting that the IU head coach should be someone who was born and raised in Michigan rather than someone who was born and raised in Indiana?
Alford would bury the 3 pointer in Izzo's face, but I could see Old Izzo playing dirty like his former player Draymond Green.
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These posters trashing Alford are the same type that supported the IHSAA changing to class basketball.
I still hate Class Basketball.
It remains a big mistake.
It remains a big mistake.
Me too-terrible. If you look at the IHSAA website today they haven’t even updated the brackets. I guess too much work with all the classes.
That was the first blow (and a huge one) of snowflake culture against Indiana’s basketball tradition.
That was the first blow (and a huge one) of snowflake culture against Indiana’s basketball tradition.
It is ironic that RMK was neither a starter in college nor a native Hoosier and yet there is this belief that a former IU Hoosier starter is needed to lead Indiana back to the promised land.
CAM is like Coach Norman Dale. An outsider who emphasizes defense and values that ball. Except CAM is real. And CND was a screenplay creation drawnup by a couple a Hoosier alums that modeled him after Bobby Knight.
I believe Alford is a good choice but there are other born and bred Hoosiers that would be successful. Other Hoosier choices are very unlikely at this time to accept the job.
Since many people are fond of attacking RMK and CND was based on RMK then CND is prone to attack by these same people.
Indiana has a strong basketball tradition and some of the unquestionably great college coaches of all time were Hoosiers. Why in the world would you continue with outsiders as a rule in this case? Well one reason seems to be so that you can continue insulating the program from anyone that is connected with RMK’s legacy. Sad but true-RMK represents the antithesis of the PC ideology that these people adhere to and anyone connected with his legacy has been blackballed.
Or maybe, just maybe, the reason is it doesn't matter where a coach comes from as long as he's successful. Roy Williams. Coach K. Tom Izzo. Jim Boeheim. Jay Wright...
<TINFOIL HAT> Yes, it's all a big liberal conspiracy, led by HRC, NP, and BO. The result is IU will ignore the lessons of CND, who preached that only insiders from the community, like RMK and he, can be successful. It doesn't matter that CND was an outsider, as was RMK...the theory still makes total sense. </TINFOIL HAT>
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I agree. I assume the decision was made by admin people and about money. More finals and semi finals.
Sorry I feel some pride about Indiana basketball and that includes a preference for local people and players involved with what used to be the flagship program for the state. I understand that others couldn’t care less about this their being above any silly local preferences.
For me as for RMK how you win is really more important then winning in and of itself. Really-how does the UK basketball program represent the State of KY. The only thing from KY for the program are the fans. I will pass-not for me.
The last time Indiana won a national championship Steve Alford was the only player from Indiana that got significant playing time. There were only two other Hoosiers on the roster. You must have been pretty bummed that season.
Jim Boeheim is a Syracuse guy, coaching at Syracuse. Same with 'ol Roy at Fake Class UNC. When your recruiting base is completely National with no loyalty to in-state recruits then it doesn't matter as much where the coach's roots are. Indiana is rather unique in that regard with an emphasis on in-state recruits. Not an apples to apples comparison. With that said Archie has focused on Inside-Out recruiting making the top Indiana HS players his top priority, as he should. I do feel that Coach Alford could recruit Indiana while at IU better than at any other school, and that very likely would translate to IU being the school that Alford would likely have the most success at. That said, Coach Archie Miller's team defense with his first true recruiting class is miles ahead of where Crean was after 9 years. And Archie is miles ahead of Crean in recruiting the top Indiana HS players also. We are seeing a glimpse with a more balanced team with Perimeter Shooters and inside bangers and post players would be at IU, Archie has the blueprint and plan to be very successful at IU!
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What impressed me about RMK’s teams is that they were truly student-athletes. I saw Kitchel and Whitman most nights in the business school library. I really didn’t care where they were from. Incidentally Babe Laufenberg was their most nights also. I remember seeing Tony Brown running during the summer on campus wearing combat boots and Isiah Thomas at summer school.
Of course the game was much more cerebral then. No shot clock and no three point shots. IMO, the game started to get away from pure coaches after those rule changes. But that is another story.
Of course the game was much more cerebral then. No shot clock and no three point shots. IMO, the game started to get away from pure coaches after those rule changes. But that is another story.
I'm pleased with CAM's inside out strategy and early returns - on getting Indiana kids are good - especially if Brooks comes. Always hated seeing Mich State & OSU take Indiana kids away. CAM is miles ahead of Crean in that regard. NOW CAM needs to turn that into on-court success.
This idea that only "Indiana-related" coaches can succeed at IU is hogwash.
This idea that only "Indiana-related" coaches can succeed at IU is hogwash.
I am not taking anything away from Alford’s accomplishments. He led the team in scoring and RMK said no player ever got more out of his ability. But that team had five players averaging over 11 points a game and three other starters played in the NBA. They were much more than decent support players. Props to the last starter Daryl Thomas who made what RMK called the greatest play I ever saw a kid make.
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You guys tend to attack something I didn’t say as though it was what I stated. I said that Indiana has a special basketball tradition and that IU was the flagship program for the state and that many people ( myself included) enjoy it more with people from Indiana involved with the program. The only hogwash here is what you wrote.
There are many coaches that could reasonably be expected to turn the program around. As a start let’s say any coach of the top four seeds. Would you reasonable expect any of them to leave their current programs and come to IU? If you just care about wins then I guess you would support an offer to Calipari.
Jeez. Already went through that previously but since you bring it up again-
RMK was right as rain with Indiana BB tradition. He welcomed coming to Indiana to have a fan base that loved BB as much as he did. There will never be another RMK. The case now is that the program has went through numerous coaches with poor results. None of the big name coaches are suddenly going to quit their current schools and come to IU. In this case the time is right to hire a coach from Indiana to right the big red ship. It is the flagship for Indiana basketball and time for Hoosiers to ensure the list doesnt continent. Some computer scientist from Australia has no idea what BB has meant to many in the state. I agree with other posters that state the admin wanted to de emphasize BB. That is unacceptable in Indiana and it must be put right.
Shit..we would take Steve Alford IN A MINUTE...it's all about chemistry...don't care what happened with the Pierre Pierce thing, UCLA was NEVER a fit for him, send him to South Bend PRONTO!
So, once again, a coach from Ohio who coaches at a mid-major is off limits. RMK is certainly unique. Alford is no RMK
"gone" instead of "went"
At least we know you aren't feepie.
Or, a good coach.
Not even sure what this means.
Has a computer scientist from Australia applied to be our coach?
BTW, how come no one ever brings up Isaiah Thomas as a possible coach. He played at Indiana, has college and pro (in Indiana) experience, and is in the Top 50 NBA players. Hmmm, I wonder what box does he not check.
Oh so smug. I am not sure which exact box you are referring to with Isiah but just another BS statement. He has absolutely no desire to coach IU so why would any reasonable person propose him as a possible candidate. Apparent now that the fan base has fallen along with the program.
You wouldn’t expect smugness from an IU fan about the program considering the last few years but there you have it. Smugness abounds here.
Humility- fugedaboudit
Openness-fugedaboudit
Nothing to see here-move along. No problems here all is well.
Openness-fugedaboudit
Nothing to see here-move along. No problems here all is well.
No, you made a false generalization based on nothing. If that were true you should be able to find numerous links both on message boards and on other media sites supporting your claim but you can't, because it's bullshit. Try not spewing bullshit claims ..
And yet, we keep throwing Donovan, Stevens, Bennett, and others around without any proof of desire. I was just wondering why no one threw IT's name out there, and you gave your answer. Not sure why you sounded so defensive.
Class basketball eliminated the natural rivalries that existed and moved teams to sectionals that haven't recreated the excitement.
There were 4 schools in our county and we played in one sectional. The community was full of excitement in the week leading up to the games. The county teams don't all play each other anymore. The schools focus on their conference schedule and teams they may face in the sectional or regionals.
Another mistake is that Evansville no longer hosts a regional or semistate. I believe the North sectional is the only tournament played in Evansville. Teams playing at the new USI stadium or the Ford Center would give the regionals the feeling it is missing.
I watched some of the sectionals on IHSAATV and the crowds were extremely small even for a regular season game. There wasn’t a hint of tournament atmosphere (not to be misunderstood here this was true of the ones I watched and others may have been different).
If anyone does go to the 3A regionals, Pat Graham's son Cade is playing for Evv Memorial. I had heard he wasn't a star, but he must have had a good final game.
In other Evv Memorial news, the longtime girls coach and certified cheater, Bruce Dockery, is retiring. His teams haven't been as successful lately and maybe he has run out of tricks he needed to win. I'm proud to have had a part in getting him busted for one offense. It could have been two if I had recorded his conversation with me.
In other Evv Memorial news, the longtime girls coach and certified cheater, Bruce Dockery, is retiring. His teams haven't been as successful lately and maybe he has run out of tricks he needed to win. I'm proud to have had a part in getting him busted for one offense. It could have been two if I had recorded his conversation with me.
