You said we could be just like Duke did you not and when saying that I thought you meant the Duke of today because that is all that matters and not something that happen 40 years ago.
What does IU need to become an elite program again?
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you are right. I did say that. meant we can be a meaningful program again but no one realistically expects our next coach to win 5 ncaa titles. prob is the coach you dislike but defend will never get to 5 ncaa tourneys in a row. lol
You need to snap out of it Holmes...Bob (I am assuming Bob Knight) left 15 years ago and Branch left 50 years ago.
Different times my friend. There is no one on the planet under retirement age that cares what "Bob and Branch" did.
I don't think he will win won either but what does constantly bashing him help and making every thread into a Crean hate fest. I have been a IU for over 40 years and I will root for them no matter who the coach is and I will not stop watching them even if they lose. I am not the type of a fan that will jump off the bandwagon when things go bad and then come back when things get better.
um I still watch my favorite team so forget that bandwagon talk. we'll stop bashing him when he stops doing dumb stuff. what if all the high-dollar donors took your approach? lifetime contract?
again, you are rooting all wrong, my man! but we agree to disagree.
again, see Michigan football. the students freaking revolting against mediocrity and a change was made. do you think glass will stand by a guy who gets booed? not sure where you get this idea that fans can't make a diff. sure, not like the big dogs but we matter.
well, Branch was a racist, so goes back further than that.
but this is athletics and the point is to try to win.
again, love your general theme. everything at IU is and was awful except this years football team. we get it. lol
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so am I rooting wrong, am I suppose to stop watching the games until he is gone or stop coming to message boards until he is gone. I have rooted for IU for over 40 years so I know how to root for a team.
didn't say stop rooting just stop jumping on folks who actually want IU to win.
Crean lost his main recruiter Kenny Johnson to the Louisville
Cardinals a couple of years ago. Johnson never received the
credit (or salary) for the talent that he was responsible for
players either signing or visiting IU. I agree with your
coaching assessment.
Cardinals a couple of years ago. Johnson never received the
credit (or salary) for the talent that he was responsible for
players either signing or visiting IU. I agree with your
coaching assessment.
Kenny Johnson? Let's put this in perspective. He was only at IU from 2012-14, and was the lead recruiter for Stanford Robinson, Noah Vonleh, and Troy Williams.
huh? lol. where the hell did you get that from my reply to this?
"IU basketball coaches been doing "dumb stuff" since 1972 holmes."
you are the one that keeps looking back. you know, your weird we-can't-expect-much-because-our-last-long-tenured-coach-was-abusive schtick
i'm about moving forward. even if IU just started a program yesterday, we could all expect more considering pay, budgets, and local talent...well, all of us but you...but you are more a football fan, as i'm sure you'll end up telling us within a few posts...so i saved you the time
i agree, but that makes Johnson responsible for getting one of the few serviceable big men our coach has ever had.
huh? lol. where the hell did you get that from my reply to this?
"IU basketball coaches been doing "dumb stuff" since 1972 holmes."
you are the one that keeps looking back. you know, your weird we-can't-expect-much-because-our-last-long-tenured-coach-was-abusive schtick
i'm about moving forward. even if IU just started a program yesterday, we could all expect more considering pay, budgets, and local talent...well, all of us but you...but you are more a football fan, as i'm sure you'll end up telling us within a few posts...so i saved you the time
We need to hire old Bobby back and get Damon and Steve to be his assistants.
Probably so. We could get Quinn and Isiah and little Jimmy Wisman to do the recruiting.
Things will be different this year because Yogi can dunk.
We could get Mike Davis since he is the only person to take us to the Final Two in the last 28 years.
Can we pry him away from Texas Southern?
I too wish we could be nationally ranked in basketball someday. Oh wait...look below...we are ranked 14th (with all due credit to ESPN).
(http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...tar-heels-lead-no-longer-way-too-early-top-25).
14. Indiana Hoosiers
Maryland is the Big Ten's runaway favorite, but the competition will be slightly more fierce than what Wisconsin experienced a season ago. (The vast majority of the Big Ten season was played before March, which is why Michigan State didn't go 18-0.) Indiana is atop that second tier. The Hoosiers are bringing almost all of their considerable offensive firepower back, from guards Yogi Ferrell, James Blackmon Jr. and Robert Johnson, to rim-running four Troy Williams, to the coterie of floor-spacing sharpshooters (Nick Zeisloft, Collin Hartman) that often made Indiana one of the nation's most watchable teams. Adding No. 6-ranked freshman center Thomas Bryant should mean better interior defense and rebounding, which isn't saying much, given how bad IU was on that end of the floor last season. But, man, can they put the ball in the bucket.
I too wish we could be nationally ranked in basketball someday. Oh wait...look below...we are ranked 14th (with all due credit to ESPN).
(http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...tar-heels-lead-no-longer-way-too-early-top-25).
14. Indiana Hoosiers
Maryland is the Big Ten's runaway favorite, but the competition will be slightly more fierce than what Wisconsin experienced a season ago. (The vast majority of the Big Ten season was played before March, which is why Michigan State didn't go 18-0.) Indiana is atop that second tier. The Hoosiers are bringing almost all of their considerable offensive firepower back, from guards Yogi Ferrell, James Blackmon Jr. and Robert Johnson, to rim-running four Troy Williams, to the coterie of floor-spacing sharpshooters (Nick Zeisloft, Collin Hartman) that often made Indiana one of the nation's most watchable teams. Adding No. 6-ranked freshman center Thomas Bryant should mean better interior defense and rebounding, which isn't saying much, given how bad IU was on that end of the floor last season. But, man, can they put the ball in the bucket.
oh ya sweet! first time in 22 months. we're on our way!
your two-pronged narrative is sooo weird: 1. we can't be good because of x (x could equal bobby knight tantrums or mike davis ineptitude or down years or the moon's orbit...insert whatever) 2. we are good
how funny. another good day of discourse, scout. i'm done for the day but you've probably converted a bunch of new believers.
To put it simply - IU needs a new coach. That's what they need to become an elite program again. Crean will never consistently keep IU elite.
IU was elite in 13 or whatever when Zeller, Dipo, Watford, Hulls, etc were there, but IU quickly fell off.
A Brad Stevens or Archie Miller type hire would vault IU back into the elite category and keep them consistently great like Duke, Kentucky, and Kansas are now.
Unless he luckboxes a title this year, Crean needs to have been gone yesterday and the right hire needs to be made.
IU was elite in 13 or whatever when Zeller, Dipo, Watford, Hulls, etc were there, but IU quickly fell off.
A Brad Stevens or Archie Miller type hire would vault IU back into the elite category and keep them consistently great like Duke, Kentucky, and Kansas are now.
Unless he luckboxes a title this year, Crean needs to have been gone yesterday and the right hire needs to be made.
Just a question, what has Archie Miller done that would make you say that he would get IU back to being elite. he has had two good runs in the tournament but he has not been able to even dominate his own conference yet which is a mid major league. I think he would end up being a good coach but he has done nothing yet to say for sure that he would be a great coach at IU.
Can we clarify the definition of "elite?"
Since 1988, Duke, UCONN, UK and UNC have 15 national championships collectively.
Indiana has 0.
That is 27 years and we have gone through Bob Knight, Mike Davis, Kelvin Sampson, Dan Dakcih, and Tom Crean.
To what level of "elite" do you think Archie Miller can elevate us?
BTW, Tom Crean's Indiana Hoosiers are ranked 14th and Archie Miller's Dayton Flyers aren't ranked anywhere.
I think there is enormous upside to hiring Archie Miller – absent a potential NBA move you aren’t going to lose him to another program and if his potential transforms into greatness you can create a prevailing period of on court excellence, and I think most younger coaches (while to some degree a generalization) would encounter no issues finding great players who fit their system that they can win at a high level with. In the event that you can find a younger coach whose ”worst possible scenario” is to continue with Crean's performance yet has substantially more upside I think you take that risk all day long.
but Archie Millers resume is not as good as Creans was coming out of Marquette so how do you know if he could do any better. If I am going to take a coach from a mid major he has to demonstrate he can dominate at the lower level like Marshall and Stevens did.
He's an awesome basketball coach and thrives with the X and O part of the game. Think he was down to a six man rotation last year and still got done.
He won't really need to worry about recruiting because IU recruits itself to a certain level.
Miller will have sufficient time to do as such. This is a program that has won 53 games throughout the last two seasons and NCAA Tournament games in both years. He's demonstrated he can win regardless of who is on or off the roster. They have large institutional support (read: big money alums), they have the facilities and now they have the coach. As long as Miller is around, Dayton will continue it's upward trend.
With respect to Stevens, IU could have had him. They gave Crean an extension instead.
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I am sort of a Dayton fan as my wife went to law school there. That said, can you elaborate on the "big money alums?"
Also, by "facilities," are referring to UD arena that is like 45 years old and holds about 13,000 people?
Still a pretty good arena and they always sells out. Also the NCAA loves having the tournament there and there is a reason that they have the first four at the Dayton arena.
Hoops is an ~$80 million business at UD.
UD Arena is undergoing a ~$4 million upgrade.
we're all so busy picking sides. i'll admit i am as bad as anyone, but even with a good preseason rank, Tom Crean is not a good fit for IU. Not in the style of ball his team plays or his demeanor. And that is not me saying he's a bad guy or a jerk. he's just too PR conscious sometimes. IU fan wants more grit and less style. Miller would probably fit in my mind.
For sure...I was only there for a law school commencement...I have not been to a game there. It seemed alright then though.
Pretty simple, get a good game coach. CTC excels at leading at the half and then getting spanked.
All Tommy needs to do is hire RMK as an assistant coach, and have him be the man who runs the game.
All Tommy needs to do is hire RMK as an assistant coach, and have him be the man who runs the game.
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