We have a verdict -- Guilty on ALL counts

[mcmurtry66]

May 19th he’s telling Morehouse college graduates that black people are being killed in the streets.

He’s every bit as divisive as Trump ever was.

For sure

 

[mcmurtry66]

Biden will gain votes from independents and more Dems will likely come out to vote. I'll actually predict more Rs won't vote or will throw it away on a 3rd party candidate because they know this ends badly for them no matter what. Generally, I just don't think the country is going to standby and let a now convicted felon into the WH. Biden's campaign's message could just solely be this, and it will work.

Nonsense

 

[Stuffshot]

Ah, that's a sh

Just announced on the Kommie channel.

Now on CNN

Live updates: Jury deliberations continue in Trump hush money trial

The 12-person jury in Donald Trump's historic criminal hush money trial will continue to deliberate Thursday in the New York courthouse. Follow here for the latest live news updates, analysis and more.

www.cnn.com

Ah, that's a shame, a terrible shame.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Crazy. Truly uncharted territory for America. Trump will likely be in Rikers come November 5. Really destructive actions from the the Biden admin to Bragg to Merchan on down to the jurors. Shameful behavior that tears at the national fabric and lowers our esteem in the world.

Part of what Merchan takes into account when sentencing is contrition/ remorse right? Trump can't really show remorse because he didn't do anything wrong and it would hurt him politically. But he risks a tougher sentence if he doesn't. Catch 22.

One thing I think we can be sure of. There will be prison time and Merchan will not issue a stay pending appeal. He is a compromised, sad little man. He knows he's committed numerous acts of reversible error in this case. He just doesn't care. I've spoken at length in recent year about how progressives will be the death of the American judicial system. If today is not the culmination of that it's a major chapter along the way. We should all be concerned for our Justice system.

It's nice to be reminded that, of all the many things you're the foremost expert in, criminal procedure remains top of the list.

 

[snarlcakes]

Witch hunt. But no surprise.

This is what communist do dbm. Let’s get the W in the fall and hopefully Trump hits back harder.

 

[Stuffshot]

No he's not. The goal was always to get a guilty verdict to run campaign ads on. This will 100% be reversed on appeal. Even all the Dems know that.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Crazy. Truly uncharted territory for America. Trump will likely be in Rikers come November 5. Really destructive actions from the the Biden admin to Bragg to Merchan on down to the jurors. Shameful behavior that tears at the national fabric and lowers our esteem in the world.

Part of what Merchan takes into account when sentencing is contrition/ remorse right? Trump can't really show remorse because he didn't do anything wrong and it would hurt him politically. But he risks a tougher sentence if he doesn't. Catch 22.

One thing I think we can be sure of. There will be prison time and Merchan will not issue a stay pending appeal. He is a compromised, sad little man. He knows he's committed numerous acts of reversible error in this case. He just doesn't care. I've spoken at length in recent year about how progressives will be the death of the American judicial system. If today is not the culmination of that it's a major chapter along the way. We should all be concerned for our Justice system.

Immunity is coming. They already know that. Again, the whole point was to get a conviction for campaign ads.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Biden will gain votes from independents and more Dems will likely come out to vote. I'll actually predict more Rs won't vote or will throw it away on a 3rd party candidate because they know this ends badly for them no matter what. Generally, I just don't think the country is going to standby and let a now convicted felon into the WH. Biden's campaign's message could just solely be this, and it will work.

I just don't see how Americans care that much about this at all. The average voter is, frankly, stupid. And selfish.

 

[Stuffshot]

i said from day one. better plea. short circuit this shit

You did say that. This one time, you are correct, sir.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Immunity is coming. They already know that. Again, the whole point was to get a conviction for campaign ads.

Your legal acumen is right up there with Farva's.

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

It's nice to be reminded that, of all the many things you're the foremost expert in, criminal procedure remains top of the list.

You flatter me but the weight of my expertise in criminal procedure pales in comparison to the disregard progressives have for the same.

 

[VanHoosier]

Wonder when they are going after Clinton for his hush money?? oh right.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You did say that. This one time, you are correct, sir.

I’m always right. Always

 

[Bowlmania]

Crazy. Truly uncharted territory for America. Trump will likely be in Rikers come November 5. Really destructive actions from the the Biden admin to Bragg to Merchan on down to the jurors. Shameful behavior that tears at the national fabric and lowers our esteem in the world.

Part of what Merchan takes into account when sentencing is contrition/ remorse right? Trump can't really show remorse because he didn't do anything wrong and it would hurt him politically. But he risks a tougher sentence if he doesn't. Catch 22.

One thing I think we can be sure of. There will be prison time and Merchan will not issue a stay pending appeal. He is a compromised, sad little man. He knows he's committed numerous acts of reversible error in this case. He just doesn't care. I've spoken at length in recent year about how progressives will be the death of the American judicial system. If today is not the culmination of that it's a major chapter along the way. We should all be concerned for our Justice system.

Rikers on Election Day? What utter nonsense. Merchan isn’t going to impose a prison sentence and, even if he did, Trump would be out on bail pending appeal.

 

[Stuffshot]

Agree, but then there would be a chance we'd miss the only really great part of this whole drama: the judge instructing the bailiff to take Trump into custody.

More subtlely, is a convicted felon permitted to leave the state under New York law?

Oh, I know, he can still campaign remotely, but how is he going to be able to play golf at the best courses if he can't leave New York?

 

[Stuffshot]

I’m always right. Always

Actually, you were sorta close.

 

[Stuffshot]

If he’s smart he’ll urge peace and calm. Tell everyone to voice their displeasure in November.

But he’s not smart.

Wow. Statesmanship from Hoopsdoc.

If you guys would only try harder to sound like this instead of Crayfish it would be better.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

“Teflon Don” no more.

Technically, we apply paint to Teflon all the time, to go inside the human body. But it just doesn't stick for very long and comes off shortly.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Look at the ratio on this tweet from a never Trumper. People aren't buying your BS Dems.

 

[Stuffshot]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

Rikers on Election Day? What utter nonsense. Merchan isn’t going to impose a prison sentence and, even if he did, Trump would be out on bail pending appeal.

You haven't paid much attention to Merchan's conduct in this trial. He will definitely impose a jail sentence. He didn't come all this way not to.

From a political perspective. I think the Democrat's have miscalculated. I think this decision sours the voters view of Democrats far more than it does of Trump. Rightfully so. Politicians frequently like to make themselves out to be martyrs but in this case Trump is a true martyr, that's powerful. And the "threat to Democracy" line just isn't going to work anymore after this.

 

[DANC]

Just announced on the Kommie channel.

Now on CNN
So

Live updates: Jury deliberations continue in Trump hush money trial

The 12-person jury in Donald Trump's historic criminal hush money trial will continue to deliberate Thursday in the New York courthouse. Follow here for the latest live news updates, analysis and more.

www.cnn.com

Soros certainly got his money's worth.

 

[DANC]

You haven't paid much attention to Merchan's conduct in this trial. He will definitely impose a jail sentence. He didn't come all this way no to.

From a political perspective. I think the Democrat's have miscalculated. I think decision sours the voters view of Democrats far more than it does of Trump. Rightfully so. Politicians frequently like to make themselves out to be martyrs but in this case Trump is a true martyr, that's powerful. And the "threat to Democracy" line just isn't going to work anymore after this.

He'll make sure Trump's in jail during the Republican National Convention.

 

[Stuffshot]

You haven't paid much attention to Merchan's conduct in this trial. He will definitely impose a jail sentence. He didn't come all this way not to.

From a political perspective. I think the Democrat's have miscalculated. I think this decision sours the voters view of Democrats far more than it does of Trump. Rightfully so. Politicians frequently like to make themselves out to be martyrs but in this case Trump is a true martyr, that's powerful. And the "threat to Democracy" line just isn't going to work anymore after this.

You are just saying that. You don't know.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Tucker is 100% correct here. The real worry is not the verdict. The worry is what happens when Trump is still leading in the polls 2-3 months from now? What's their next move?

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

You haven't paid much attention to Merchan's conduct in this trial. He will definitely impose a jail sentence. He didn't come all this way not to.

From a political perspective. I think the Democrat's have miscalculated. I think this decision sours the voters view of Democrats far more than it does of Trump. Rightfully so. Politicians frequently like to make themselves out to be martyrs but in this case Trump is a true martyr, that's powerful. And the "threat to Democracy" line just isn't going to work anymore after this.

They’re trying REALLY hard to make Trump, of all people, a sympathetic figure.

 

[Stuffshot]

Tucker is 100% correct here. The real worry is not the verdict. The worry is what happens when Trump is still leading in the polls 2-3 months from now? What's their next move?

View embedded media

How can you deny that business records of the Trump Organization were falsified ?

Oh, I forgot -- here's how:

Once you admit that business records were falsified, all bets were off on the other parts of the charges.

 

[mcmurtry66]

They’re trying REALLY hard to make Trump, of all people, a sympathetic figure.

They’re so dislikable to begin with to be fair. Not people you’d want to grab a beer with and hear some stories

 

[dbmhoosier]

How can you deny that business records of the Trump Organization were falsified ?

Oh, I forgot -- here's how:

How can you not even know what the case was about?

 

[cosmickid]

No he's not. The goal was always to get a guilty verdict to run campaign ads on. This will 100% be reversed on appeal. Even all the Dems know that.

You keep saying this "100% reversed on appeal" line as if it's a done deal. But there were 2 lawyers and a man that said his main source of news is Truth Social (which Trump owns) all on the jury and he was found unanimously guilty. Mere hours after the jury requested to rehear Pecker's testimony, which basically corraborated what Cohen would testify to weeks later...

You keep acting as if this is all made up...

But in 2018 when Michael Cohen plead guilty to the charges against him, he went to jail.

Now who was POTUS in 2018? And who was in charge of the DOJ and in charge of prosecuting the case vs Cohen...

Now what was Trump's main defense during this just concluded trial? That the payments to Cohen were NOT a reimbursement, but rather payment for legal services. That's what Blanche maintained ever since his opening statement and all thru the trial...

But look at what the DOJ said (Trump's DOJ) in 2018 when they announced Cohen's plea and sentence to prison...

"Between 2012 and 2016, COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the Internal Revenue Service, avoiding more than $1.3 million in income tax. COHEN also made false statements to a federally insured financial institution to obtain a $500,000 home equity loan."

" Finally, in 2016, COHEN made or caused two separate payments to women to ensure that they did not publicly disclose their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate in advance of the election. In one instance, COHEN caused American Media, Inc. (“AMI”), which was identified in previous court filings as “Corporation-1,” to make a $150,000 payment to one woman; in the other, COHEN made a $130,000 payment to another woman through an LLC he incorporated for the purpose of making the payment. COHEN was reimbursed for the latter payment in monthly installments disguised as payments for legal services performed pursuant to a retainer, when in fact no such retainer existed. COHEN made or caused both of these payments in order to influence the 2016 election and did so in coordination with one or more members of the campaign."

Michael Cohen Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

www.justice.gov

Can you see that the DOJ in announcing Cohen's plea and sentence in 2018 basically undermined the current claim of Trump's team that there was NO REIMBURSEMENT?

You're free to believe whatever you want and there is no realistic expectation on my part to change your mind. But just know that in order to believe that Trump is "innocent" you have to believe that Trump was somehow totally unaware of actions being taken by Cohen to keep damaging info that could hurt Trump's campaign from being public knowledge. And that Cohen was willing to go to prison for his role in that conspiracy, that Trump was unaware of...

So when Trump made all of those comments back then about knowing Cohen "wouldn't flip", what exactly do you think the "totally innocent" Trump was saying Cohen wouldn't flip on?

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Wow. Statesmanship from Hoopsdoc.

If you guys would only try harder to sound like this instead of Crayfish it would be better.

You should try reading my posts.

 

[Stuffshot]

They’re trying REALLY hard to make Trump, of all people, a sympathetic figure.

The most entertaining outlet tonight is FoxNews: how many liars can deflect on the head of a pin?

 

[Bowlmania]

You haven't paid much attention to Merchan's conduct in this trial. He will definitely impose a jail sentence. He didn't come all this way not to.

From a political perspective. I think the Democrat's have miscalculated. I think this decision sours the voters view of Democrats far more than it does of Trump. Rightfully so. Politicians frequently like to make themselves out to be martyrs but in this case Trump is a true martyr, that's powerful. And the "threat to Democracy" line just isn't going to work anymore after this.

Trump is a “true martyr?” Dude. You’ve been thoroughly brainwashed.

And he will NOT be sentenced to jail on 7/11.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You keep saying this "100% reversed on appeal" line as if it's a done deal. But there were 2 lawyers and a man that said his main source of news is Truth Social (which Trump owns) all on the jury and he was found unanimously guilty. Mere hours after the jury requested to rehear Pecker's testimony, which basically corraborated what Cohen would testify to weeks later...

You keep acting as if this is all made up...

But in 2018 when Michael Cohen plead guilty to the charges against him, he went to jail.

Now who was POTUS in 2018? And who was in charge of the DOJ and in charge of prosecuting the case vs Cohen...

Now what was Trump's main defense during this just concluded trial? That the payments to Cohen were NOT a reimbursement, but rather payment for legal services. That's what Blanche maintained ever since his opening statement and all thru the trial...

But look at what the DOJ said (Trump's DOJ) in 2018 when they announced Cohen's plea and sentence to prison...

"Between 2012 and 2016, COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the Internal Revenue Service, avoiding more than $1.3 million in income tax. COHEN also made false statements to a federally insured financial institution to obtain a $500,000 home equity loan."

" Finally, in 2016, COHEN made or caused two separate payments to women to ensure that they did not publicly disclose their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate in advance of the election. In one instance, COHEN caused American Media, Inc. (“AMI”), which was identified in previous court filings as “Corporation-1,” to make a $150,000 payment to one woman; in the other, COHEN made a $130,000 payment to another woman through an LLC he incorporated for the purpose of making the payment. COHEN was reimbursed for the latter payment in monthly installments disguised as payments for legal services performed pursuant to a retainer, when in fact no such retainer existed. COHEN made or caused both of these payments in order to influence the 2016 election and did so in coordination with one or more members of the campaign."

Michael Cohen Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

www.justice.gov

Can you see that the DOJ in announcing Cohen's plea and sentence in 2018 basically undermined the current claim of Trump's team that there was NO REIMBURSEMENT?

You're free to believe whatever you want and there is no realistic expectation on my part to change your mind. But just know that in order to believe that Trump is "innocent" you have to believe that Trump was somehow totally unaware of actions being taken by Cohen to keep damaging info that could hurt Trump's campaign from being public knowledge. And that Cohen was willing to go to prison for his role in that conspiracy, that Trump was unaware of...

So when Trump made all of those comments back then about knowing Cohen "wouldn't flip", what exactly do you think the "totally innocent" Trump was saying Cohen wouldn't flip on?

Nothing to do with what would be appealable. Appeals won’t turn on facts etc. rather on law. Instructions etc

 

[Stuffshot]

How can you not even know what the case was about?

It's this:

Trump guilty on all counts in New York criminal trial

Former President Trump was found guilty on all counts in his historic and unprecedented criminal trial, making him the first former president of the United States to be convicted of a crime.

www.foxnews.com

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

Tucker is 100% correct here. The real worry is not the verdict. The worry is what happens when Trump is still leading in the polls 2-3 months from now? What's their next move?

View embedded media

I think the real worry is that Democrats have now broken glass that can't be put back together. Biden is now running so that him and his son can avoid indictment. In Hunter's case, further indictments. The legal system has essentially become forum shopping. Indicting your political opponent if you can get a favorable jurisdiction and a creative and ethically challenged prosecutor will be normalized.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Witch hunt. But no surprise.

Serious question - are you crying?

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Website that takes donations for Trump and the republicans Winred just crashed.

Hooboy.

Donation page for political website WinRed crashes after Trump verdict

WinRed, a political website that raises funds for Donald Trump and other Republican candidates, has lost its donation function following Donald Trump’s guilty verdict.

www.wbay.com

 

[Stuffshot]

You keep saying this "100% reversed on appeal" line as if it's a done deal. But there were 2 lawyers and a man that said his main source of news is Truth Social (which Trump owns) all on the jury and he was found unanimously guilty. Mere hours after the jury requested to rehear Pecker's testimony, which basically corraborated what Cohen would testify to weeks later...

You keep acting as if this is all made up...

But in 2018 when Michael Cohen plead guilty to the charges against him, he went to jail.

Now who was POTUS in 2018? And who was in charge of the DOJ and in charge of prosecuting the case vs Cohen...

Now what was Trump's main defense during this just concluded trial? That the payments to Cohen were NOT a reimbursement, but rather payment for legal services. That's what Blanche maintained ever since his opening statement and all thru the trial...

But look at what the DOJ said (Trump's DOJ) in 2018 when they announced Cohen's plea and sentence to prison...

"Between 2012 and 2016, COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the Internal Revenue Service, avoiding more than $1.3 million in income tax. COHEN also made false statements to a federally insured financial institution to obtain a $500,000 home equity loan."

" Finally, in 2016, COHEN made or caused two separate payments to women to ensure that they did not publicly disclose their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate in advance of the election. In one instance, COHEN caused American Media, Inc. (“AMI”), which was identified in previous court filings as “Corporation-1,” to make a $150,000 payment to one woman; in the other, COHEN made a $130,000 payment to another woman through an LLC he incorporated for the purpose of making the payment. COHEN was reimbursed for the latter payment in monthly installments disguised as payments for legal services performed pursuant to a retainer, when in fact no such retainer existed. COHEN made or caused both of these payments in order to influence the 2016 election and did so in coordination with one or more members of the campaign."

Michael Cohen Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

www.justice.gov

Can you see that the DOJ in announcing Cohen's plea and sentence in 2018 basically undermined the current claim of Trump's team that there was NO REIMBURSEMENT?

You're free to believe whatever you want and there is no realistic expectation on my part to change your mind. But just know that in order to believe that Trump is "innocent" you have to believe that Trump was somehow totally unaware of actions being taken by Cohen to keep damaging info that could hurt Trump's campaign from being public knowledge. And that Cohen was willing to go to prison for his role in that conspiracy, that Trump was unaware of...

So when Trump made all of those comments back then about knowing Cohen "wouldn't flip", what exactly do you think the "totally innocent" Trump was saying Cohen wouldn't flip on?

And, remember, in this case, Trump's lawyers were not Alina Hubbahubba or Rudy Fumbliani or Sydney "Kracken" Animalskins. Trump's lawyers in this case were much better than Trump's other lawyers.

Despite that talent, Trump still lost.

 

[Stuffshot]

You should try reading my posts.

I will from now on.