Law school should be 2 years. If you're really interested in any specialty shit you can go learn it on your own. That third year of tuition is pissing money and time away
We don't hear about 3% GDP growth any more
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Gosh, you must be right. Must be why colleges are struggling to get students......
Stop regurgitating what you've been told and look around.
Completely agree. When you swap out that 3rd tuition for money coming in working, it’s a huge swing.
Well, I guess you and Bowel are right - so many more went to college during the Depression because colleges were REALLY cheap then! Maybe, instead of Law School, you should have studied History.
If you think it's a great investment, good for you. But stop whining about how much easier Baby Boomers had it because you know nothing of it.
Did workers' wages skyrocket during the '70s. Not when you figure in inflation.
www.motherjones.com
Not that you care about data or anything. But you should be able to see that even though real gains in wages were non existent because of inflation, the wage growth was also there in nominal terms. Which is the kind of thing that makes a fixed rate bill like a mortgage considerably cheaper.
At least it’s overcast today, there are a lot of clouds that need yelled at.
We're talking about the affordability of college.
You and LSMFT are saying it was cheaper to go to college in the 70s. Which it was. But wages back then were also low, so the actual affordability - and access to loans and scholarships - were lower then.
But I don't expect you to understand the nuance.
Which doesn't address why so many more people are going to college now than they did in the 70s when it was supposedly so cheap.Did workers' wages skyrocket during the '70s. Not when you figure in inflation.
Not that you care about data or anything. But you should be able to see that even though real gains in wages were non existent because of inflation, the wage growth was also there in nominal terms. Which is the kind of thing that makes a fixed rate bill like a mortgage considerably cheaper.
At least it’s overcast today, there are a lot of clouds that need yelled at.
You completely ignore the fact that, until Reagan, getting any kind of job was difficult.Did workers' wages skyrocket during the '70s. Not when you figure in inflation.
Not that you care about data or anything. But you should be able to see that even though real gains in wages were non existent because of inflation, the wage growth was also there in nominal terms. Which is the kind of thing that makes a fixed rate bill like a mortgage considerably cheaper.
At least it’s overcast today, there are a lot of clouds that need yelled at.
I'll give you an example, which you will immediately dismiss, but it's relevant. I saw an ad for McDonald's in the IDS. I needed money, so I thought I'd go apply. They were taking applications on the 3rd street location, across from the mall. this was 1975-1976 timeframe.
I got there and they had 10 stations set up to fill out apps. There was a line for each station that was out the door. Well over 100 people were there for jobs paying $3.25 an hour.
I'm sure my point, via my example, will go right over your head. You have lived a life of such easy money and available employment that you can't conceive of anything else.
And they haven’t done a rags to riches movie based on your life?
Which also wasn’t the point, but I’m not afraid of playing with moving goalposts.
I’d hazard a guess that college numbers have something to do with America transitioning away from a manufacturing and labor economy.
It doesn’t take a degree to put tires on the left side at the plant. It takes one to work in informatics or any of the millions of tech and/or tech related jobs that did not exist in the day.
Every time libs can't argue a point, you claim the goalposts have moved.
Our original exchange was about affordability of college. I gave you examples where low college costs do not equate to increased college attendance.
Then you move the goalposts by claiming America is 'transitioning'. Which still doesn't explain why college campuses are bursting at the seams when jobs like plumbing, electricians, truck driving, etc., go begging.
College enrollment is down nationwide and has been for some time.
My God, even a broken clock is right twice a day. You never are. It's stunning.
I see your McDonald’s anecdote and raise you with my dad spending his summers at the Delco plant in Anderson during the same time period. Jobs may have been relatively harder to come by but they weren’t impossible to find until Reagan.
And take your blinders off, my “easy money and available employment” was kicked off during the middle of the Great Recession. It also sucked. I dare say it was probably a worse time to be starting out than you faced in the 70s.
With that said, I DID also luck out huge by coming of age during calamity because I was able to buy one of the many, many foreclosed upon houses still sitting around in 2012 for probably 40% less than it was really worth. So someday some rotten kid is going to say how lucky I was and I’ll be inherently grumpy in my old age and bitch to no end.
Can you please explain to me then how the number of people in college makes the price of college more or less affordable?
Cheaper is cheaper whether 1,000 kids are in school or 50,000.
Presumably you were arguing that if college were really cheaper in the day then everyone would have gone. My point that went so far over your head that the Air Traffic Control is tracking it was that the change in enrollment figures isn’t due solely to price, it’s due at least in part to a changing economy.
The Keystone XL pipeline was years away from being finished. Why do Fox Newsers keep citing this as a reason for high oil prices. The supply of oil cannot be affected by a non-existent pipeline.
Basic economics seem to escape you. Oil prices are determined by global supply and demand. Demand was the lowest ever during Covid shutdowns. World economy is now booming so prices are up. How is that even close to a political issue?
Not that simple. Domestic production could have been ramped up - at a loss in the short term. Biden's anti rhetoric affected same and resulted in cos' taking a pass. This admin has done very little right - in any field/endeavor. Frankly they're absolutely awful - and it's reflected in their approval ratings.
But they have time. We only finished the first quarter.
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It's been down since the pandemic, numbnuts.
It was growing before that.
You can't even lie properly.
You mean the Great Recession that lasted all of, maybe, a year? Oh, you poor baby.
My in-laws are from Anderson and all worked at the Delco plant. No one was getting a job there unless they were related to, or knew someone, who already worked there.
If you bought your house in Anderson, you'll be waiting a long tie to cash out. Congratulations on buying in the armpit of the state.
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No, we were talking about affordability. You claimed the 70s were great because you could pay off a house in 10 years, or some such bullshit, and how college was so much more affordable.
College was cheaper - I've said that. But there are 2 components to affordability and the other is income.
I've explained it too many times. If you don't understand it, please ask for a refund on your law school tuition.
I already explained how government actions affect corporate behavior.
I'm sorry if it's to complicated for you to understand, but I can't keep repeating myself for every economic illiterate on this board.
You couldn't have been more wrong when you claimed that "college campuses are (present tense) bursting at the seams," and you are dead wrong here when you claim enrollment was growing until the pandemic hit. And your earlier comments about affordability were absurdly inaccurate. (Absurd inaccuracy is becoming an ugly habit for you, danc, as are the 6th grade level insults you resort to when you're losing an argument).
College enrollment has been trending down since about 2012. In fact, Indiana's Commissioner for Higher Education recently weighed in on this trend. She "attributed the declines to affordability and to how relevant Hoosiers see higher education to their future getting a job." It was also noted that enrollment "rates had been dropping for some time. The pandemic, like with many other things, sped up a trend that was already taking place."
I can't continue cleaning up your messes, danc. Do me a favor and try to be right about something for a change. And stop expecting readers to blindly accept your nonsense. Try providing a supporting link once in a while.
College enrollment is down nationwide. How will schools respond?
Join us this week as we talk with guests about declining college enrollment.
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So, no actual numbers? You're relying on Public Radio - a noted left-leaning media - for accuracy?You couldn't have been more wrong when you claimed that "college campuses are (present tense) bursting at the seams," and you are dead wrong here when you claim enrollment was growing until the pandemic hit. And your earlier comments about affordability were absurdly inaccurate. (Absurd inaccuracy is becoming an ugly habit for you, danc, as are the 6th grade level insults you resort to when you're losing an argument).
College enrollment has been trending down since about 2012. In fact, Indiana's Commissioner for Higher Education recently weighed in on this trend. She "attributed the declines to affordability and to how relevant Hoosiers see higher education to their future getting a job." It was also noted that enrollment "rates had been dropping for some time. The pandemic, like with many other things, sped up a trend that was already taking place."
I can't continue cleaning up your messes, danc. Do me a favor and try to be right about something for a change. And stop expecting readers to blindly accept your nonsense. Try providing a supporting link once in a while.
College enrollment is down nationwide. How will schools respond?
Join us this week as we talk with guests about declining college enrollment.
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Do better next time.
Well I am recalling the old farmer telling me it isn’t only the cost of the cow…but the amount of milk you get for that price. Basically the same for education…you have to forecast your milk flow after graduation versus the cost your milk producer requires. It’s not the same for everyone at every point in time and discussions trying to rope the problem into a general understanding are not useful.
Lolololololol.
You’re 0-3 on that post.
MAYBE I’ll give a pass on people knowing people at Delco, considering everyone in Anderson would’ve known someone that worked for Delco back then.
But 1 yr on the the GR? Brother what planet are you living on. The world economy was wrecked and took like 6 or 7 years to get back to pre-recession levels of unemployment and GDP.
and I’m in Indianapolis, thank you very much, but kudos on maligning Anderson like it’s gonna hurt my feelings or something. What’s next, yo mama jokes? What a jackass.
Oh, he definitely does mother, sister and wife insults. But his favorite go-to when he's frustrated as a result of making a fool out of himself is "you're a pussy," so prepare for that in the near future. The old man's got the intellect and maturity of a 12 year-old.
The US, and world, economies recovered quickly. Just because you got a worthless law degree and had a rough time doesn't mean it lasted long for everyone.
I'm not maligning Anderson - just stating a fact. I had to sell my in-laws house there and the place has been a disaster since GM pulled out.
"College enrollment has been trending down since about 2012."You couldn't have been more wrong when you claimed that "college campuses are (present tense) bursting at the seams," and you are dead wrong here when you claim enrollment was growing until the pandemic hit. And your earlier comments about affordability were absurdly inaccurate. (Absurd inaccuracy is becoming an ugly habit for you, danc, as are the 6th grade level insults you resort to when you're losing an argument).
College enrollment has been trending down since about 2012. In fact, Indiana's Commissioner for Higher Education recently weighed in on this trend. She "attributed the declines to affordability and to how relevant Hoosiers see higher education to their future getting a job." It was also noted that enrollment "rates had been dropping for some time. The pandemic, like with many other things, sped up a trend that was already taking place."
I can't continue cleaning up your messes, danc. Do me a favor and try to be right about something for a change. And stop expecting readers to blindly accept your nonsense. Try providing a supporting link once in a while.
College enrollment is down nationwide. How will schools respond?
Join us this week as we talk with guests about declining college enrollment.
"The pandemic, like with many other things, sped up a trend that was already taking place."
Well, you forgot one little thing - that the number of 18 year olds has dropped since 2010.
Population Under Age 18 Declined Last Decade
The first detailed results of the 2020 Census released today show a nationwide shift in the age makeup of the U.S. population from 2010 to 2020.
www.census.gov
See, this is what showing real data looks like - no quoting from sources whose job it is it raise panic to justify increased government spending.
You might want to take a second look at your chart. The population younger than 18 (I.e., NOT college age) went UP from 2000-2010. Which means the number of college age kids went UP between 2010-2020, even if enrollment went down.
A smaller number of < 18 year olds in 2020 is going to show up in enrollment data this decade, not going back to 2012.
if population was dropping in 2010, most would be starting college in 10 years.
Bottom line is, younger population is dropping. If you want to parse a few years here or there, be my guest.
Why are conservative utopias giving financial incentives for people to move into their localities?
Hard as it may be to wrap your head around, this stuff is complicated.
Sunbelt is exploding. No state income tax. Cheaper dirt. And if you can work from anywhere do you want to be in Chicago today or 82 degree weather with a tee time tomorrow
I believe the magnetism of family connections is waning and the folks are likely to serve self interest …and f the nuclear family connections. Also the demise of rust belt industries…so what’s next?
Many of them haven't changed a thing (FL, TX, TN, AZ) for some time. I would argue the liberal utopias are have been increasing taxes and other costs (e.g., tolls) to a level that is unpalatable.
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