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We don't hear about 3% GDP growth any more

So the question is will the fed actaully raise rates or just pretend they are going to raise them as they have done the last 15 years? I know they do not want the cheap money train to end but at some point it has too.

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Eating out is not really a better option. Fast food prices are up 8 percent and full-service restaurant prices are up 7.1 percent. Even vending machine prices are up 5.9 percent.

C'mon man!!
 
3% now in a quarter isn't that great, considering last year we were deep in Covid fear, with blue states trying to shut down their economy.

Can you point to specific Biden policies to explain the GDP growth? Because he hasn't done shit for the economy to cause any growth.

The basic, freshman economics equation for GDP includes govt spending as a core element.

GDP = C + I + G + NX


So unless you have some nuanced argument about govt spending causing massive crowding out of investment.... it's common sense to say that increased govt spending policies have boosted GDP.

But the only thing that matters in these cases is REAL (not nominal) increases.

If GDP growth > Inflation rate ≈ good
If Inflation rate > GDP growth ≈ bad
 
Definitely at least half trolling.

I honestly just can't stand how when John Kerry wanted to pull out of the Middle East during the 2004 campaign that we only heard about "Cut & Run" Democrats. Then 4 years later, everyone wanted a drawdown and not a peep.

Or how the ACA meant death panels were comin, and they didn't and we haven't heard a peep.

Or how gay marriage was going to destroy straight marriages. Here we sit a decade out, nothing changed, and I don't hear a sound.

Or how any dingus with a pulse could get 3% annual GDP growth and Obama was a buffoon because he didn't, and then when massive fiscal stimulus hit the business class with the TCJA during "the Greatest Economy of All-time" it didn't move the needle, and nary a word was said.

Americans as a whole may have the collective memory of a goldfish, but I sure don't, and these things actually bother me. Just wait until a decade from now when nothing has changed in the schools and CRT is long forgotten as the point of outrage du jour.

Thanks for clarifying that your intentions. High GDP growth is great in a vacuum. In reality, it's not that great if it's being outpaced by inflation of 7.5%. From what I can tell, the upper bound to Q4 GDP growth seems to be 7.2%, meaning the economy is not benefiting from GDP acceleration.


Inventories contributed 4.90 percentage points to the fourth quarter's 6.9% annualized growth pace. With the latest inventory data in hand, JPMorgan's Silver estimates that inventory investment increased at a $182 billion rate last quarter, which would add 5.1% percentage points to GDP growth.

Other economists agree and expect GDP growth could be raised to as high as a 7.2% pace.
 
BIDEN: “I’m gonna work like the devil to bring gas prices down.”

Lol lol lol lol lol
 
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The basic, freshman economics equation for GDP includes govt spending as a core element.

GDP = C + I + G + NX


So unless you have some nuanced argument about govt spending causing massive crowding out of investment.... it's common sense to say that increased govt spending policies have boosted GDP.

But the only thing that matters in these cases is REAL (not nominal) increases.

If GDP growth > Inflation rate ≈ good
If Inflation rate > GDP growth ≈ bad
LOL You post does nothing to address what I wrote.
 
I don't see you blaming Biden, either.

You can't bring yourself to do that.
My first line was something like "we have made mistakes" and by we I meant our current government. I have no power to change anything. Sure, Biden has blame. There are a LOT of factors and certainly government mistakes are part of it.
 
My first line was something like "we have made mistakes" and by we I meant our current government. I have no power to change anything. Sure, Biden has blame. There are a LOT of factors and certainly government mistakes are part of it.
Oh, and I gave an example, we should have waited to see how the economy recovered before reducing fracking. We have to deal with oil, but waiting 6 months to a year is unlikely to be the difference.
 
Oh, and I gave an example, we should have waited to see how the economy recovered before reducing fracking. We have to deal with oil, but waiting 6 months to a year is unlikely to be the difference.
Biden shut down the Keystone Pipeline and canceled future leases on oil drilling his first day in office. It was much more than reducing fracking.
 
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JOE BIDEN AMID HISTORIC INFLATION CRISIS: ‘I DON’T KNOW WHY [PRICES] KEEP MOVING AND ALL THAT’​

‘If we are able to do the things I’m talking about here, it will bring down the cost for average families’​

Feb 10, 2022 5:30 PM
By Grabien Staff

LOL is he for real!! He I guess does not understand how inflation works is what he is saying.
 
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JOE BIDEN AMID HISTORIC INFLATION CRISIS: ‘I DON’T KNOW WHY [PRICES] KEEP MOVING AND ALL THAT’​

‘If we are able to do the things I’m talking about here, it will bring down the cost for average families’​

Feb 10, 2022 5:30 PM
By Grabien Staff

LOL is he for real!! He I guess does not understand how inflation works is what he is saying.

That last sentence hurt my brain.
 
Thanks for clarifying that your intentions. High GDP growth is great in a vacuum. In reality, it's not that great if it's being outpaced by inflation of 7.5%. From what I can tell, the upper bound to Q4 GDP growth seems to be 7.2%, meaning the economy is not benefiting from GDP acceleration.


Inventories contributed 4.90 percentage points to the fourth quarter's 6.9% annualized growth pace. With the latest inventory data in hand, JPMorgan's Silver estimates that inventory investment increased at a $182 billion rate last quarter, which would add 5.1% percentage points to GDP growth.

Other economists agree and expect GDP growth could be raised to as high as a 7.2% pace.
So if the Fed takes on curing inflation by jacking up interest rates then how does that impact our US 30 trio deficit payments? And how does that impact bond heavy investments?
 
Biden shut down the Keystone Pipeline and canceled future leases on oil drilling his first day in office. It was much more than reducing fracking.
Which has very little to do with our inflation discussion. The XL pipeline would not yet be completed and carrying oil. So there is not yet any impact on the current global oil supply. If workers were building it today the gas station up the road would still be selling gas for 3.32.
 
They too are justifiably preoccupied with inflation. Big ticket items and everyday stuff are presently outrageous. Hard for folks to care about other indices

Biden last year oversaw the largest one year jump in inflation since 82. We're at a 40 year high.

Gov gave away too much and we consumed more than business could supply. Hopefully lessons were learned for this year
They might have learned something but it won’t change their actions. Free stuff pandering for votes will override anything they might have learned.
 
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Which has very little to do with our inflation discussion. The XL pipeline would not yet be completed and carrying oil. So there is not yet any impact on the current global oil supply. If workers were building it today the gas station up the road would still be selling gas for 3.32.

Keystone XL was political theater for simpletons like Dan so they could yell at people. Ask anyone actually involved in oil/ gas how relevant it is/ was.....(hint it's not, nor ever was) . Only idiots talk about it.
 
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Gas is 41% higher
Paint is 26% higher

I don't care who is responsible but please fix the gas price. Paint is even hard to get. Sherwin is constantly out. Last year getting several types of safety paint was near impossible. This year unless you buy truckloads its not only still hard to get, but the price has increased. For safety paint 26% a gallon. Uggghhh.

When you run several vehicles the price at the pump hits hard!
Millions of North Americans use LP gas for home heating, cooking and hot water.

LP Gas prices are through the roof, $4.219
Per gallon.

Most residential LP storage tanks are 500 Gallons capacity, and are filled to 80% capacity. 400 gal fuel, sales tax at 7%,
$7.06 fuel recovery fee, $11.99 Hazmat fee,
And the fuel bill is $1 824.78.
Average Social Security payment is $1,100 per month....

LP gas prices are up 69% since January, 2021.

Current wholesale price FOB Texas is $1.24 gal. Current Amerigas price to consumers is $4.219. Markup is 340%.
 
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Keystone XL was political theater for simpletons like Dan so they could yell at people. Ask anyone actually involved in oil/ gas how relevant it is/ was.....(hint it's not, nor ever was) . Only idiots talk about it.
So you are involved in oil and gas?
 
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So you are involved in oil and gas?
I'm not but I know it's a little more complicated than the pipeline.

US oil production for 2022 is estimated to be about 90% of what it was in 2019.

One of the big factors was when the oil market got wrecked during COVID. You might remember when the futures price literally went to $0 for a hot second in early 2020. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapie...pply-is-still-out-of-balance/?sh=7f8c687a7ec3
 
Millions of North Americans use LP gas for home heating, cooking and hot water.

LP Gas prices are through the roof, $4.219
Per gallon.

Most residential LP storage tanks are 500 Gallons capacity, and are filled to 80% capacity. 400 gal fuel, sales tax at 7%,
$7.06 fuel recovery fee, $11.99 Hazmat fee,
And the fuel bill is $1 824.78.
Average Social Security payment is $1,100 per month....

LP gas prices are up 69% since January, 2021.

Current wholesale price FOB Texas is $1.24 gal. Current Amerigas price to consumers is $4.219. Markup is 340%.

Up in Northern Indiana, I just paid $2.28 a gallon to fill up my tank. That was a week and a half ago.
 
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Millions of North Americans use LP gas for home heating, cooking and hot water.

LP Gas prices are through the roof, $4.219
Per gallon.

Most residential LP storage tanks are 500 Gallons capacity, and are filled to 80% capacity. 400 gal fuel, sales tax at 7%,
$7.06 fuel recovery fee, $11.99 Hazmat fee,
And the fuel bill is $1 824.78.
Average Social Security payment is $1,100 per month....

LP gas prices are up 69% since January, 2021.

Current wholesale price FOB Texas is $1.24 gal. Current Amerigas price to consumers is $4.219. Markup is 340%.
My natural gas bill was up 35% last month. But the left wing hacks like bowlmania would tell you all is just great.
 
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So if the Fed takes on curing inflation by jacking up interest rates then how does that impact our US 30 trio deficit payments? And how does that impact bond heavy investments?

Well, inflation actually helps with fixed debt payments right? You get pay off the same amount of debt with money that is worth less than when it was borrowed.

Here's a summary of how it impacts bonds:

 
Well, inflation actually helps with fixed debt payments right? You get pay off the same amount of debt with money that is worth less than when it was borrowed.

Here's a summary of how it impacts bonds:

I've always been jealous of the Boomers who went to college for the price of a pack of Marlboros then bought a house for $27k in 1972. Inflation took off when they were still young, wages caught up, and they made out like bandits. I honestly wonder how big that cohort is that lucked into that.
 
I've always been jealous of the Boomers who went to college for the price of a pack of Marlboros then bought a house for $27k in 1972. Inflation took off when they were still young, wages caught up, and they made out like bandits. I honestly wonder how big that cohort is that lucked into that.

Meh, primary real estate isn't a great investment until you downsize.
 
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