Was the IPFW loss last year an omen of things to come?

[T.M.P.]

Absolutely.

I know there are stats that will tell us that Morgan is much, much more effective vs 5's than 4's on offense...but that's one slice of the pie that we can still take advantage of during games.

There's no one who can give us what Davis can on both sides. That's on Archie and his roster construction but, it's a reality with this team.

It seems 80% of the teams in the conference has a productive big. We're going to get a seven foot, 250 pound sophomore Garza this Thursday. We need a Davis to be able to give us productive post minutes cuz imagine this, it's uncanny how Iowa plays really well when Garza does.

Yup ....

on the second thing, Arch has only actually recruited one (two counting Creans) class.. so roster construction is up in the air for at least one or two seasons.

I got to harp on this .. sorry but your post above started it (the effect of Davis) so you only have yourself to blame .. lol

Just that one condition ie being able to play behind a post player, and how it changes us. We don't do much of in certain matchups .. and really can't do it except for Davis. I hate fronting the post because it creates an opportunity on every post feed and if the guards and post player are high IQ you'll get lit up.

Morgan and the team do a good job at fronting and bringing a player to the backline to try for a steal and to double I'll give them that but it's so much easier on all defenders not having to. Offense wants to make defense move to create double teams, gaps, and to get open looks.

By fronting the post you cause a rotation and a gap on every post feed. By backing it and going one on one, there is none. Not that it works every time nothing does. fwiw - the lob pass to a posted player is the least efficient play in basketball. So there's a reason we do it, but it's nice having the option of not.

It's always better having multiple options in the tool kit ..

 

[TommyCracker]

Yup ....

on the second thing, Arch has only actually recruited one (two counting Creans) class.. so roster construction is up in the air for at least one or two seasons.

I got to harp on this .. sorry but your post above started it (the effect of Davis) so you only have yourself to blame .. lol

Just that one condition ie being able to play behind a post player, and how it changes us. We don't do much of in certain matchups .. and really can't do it except for Davis. I hate fronting the post because it creates an opportunity on every post feed and if the guards and post player are high IQ you'll get lit up.

Morgan and the team do a good job at fronting and bringing a player to the backline to try for a steal and to double I'll give them that but it's so much easier on all defenders not having to. Offense wants to make defense move to create double teams, gaps, and to get open looks.

By fronting the post you cause a rotation and a gap on every post feed. By backing it and going one on one, there is none. Not that it works every time nothing does. fwiw - the lob pass to a posted player is the least efficient play in basketball. So there's a reason we do it, but it's nice having the option of not.

It's always better having multiple options in the tool kit ..

Love these kind of posts, and yeah it's much easier on a defense when a dude can push a guy out of position away from the hoop vs naked fronting.

I don't mind aggressive help on a post which is basically fronting, but you still have a big dude pushing the post out from behind him. A Davis/Smith sandwich would be tough in situations.

You only need to do that with elite offensive posts.

But yeah, how nice is it on the defense to not have to be cheating and ready to provide help, at the hoop when a smart team has pushed our fronting defender out and created space for an easy lob?

Great post.

 

[T.M.P.]

He didn't go after any big ten bigs in his first cycle especially knowing that Davis was such a question mark.

I get ya ... and maybe getting Fitz instead of a real big was a blunder. Especially in retrospect.

 

[TommyCracker]

I get ya ... and maybe getting Fitz instead of a real big was a blunder. Especially in retrospect.

Fitzner was supposed to space the floor and give Juwan and Romeo some daylight in the post so...the logic made sense to me.

I just wonder after watching team after team bring big after big if he's thinking, I might need to have 3 catchers on the roster (dumb, baseball analogy).

He went to go see this dude last night. He's supposedly 6'10" and 240, 250 right now (if you believe other IU hype sites). He's supposedly a fat, beefy post player vs a slender, lengthy fast post.

 

[minneman]

Add to that the occasional dropped hint that he has inside information without ever coming close to revealing a source, and you have the makings of a real douche.

He doesn't just have the makings of a real douche, he's already obtained and surpassed that level of doucheness. Hyper-douche? Douche extraordinaire? Supreme douche? The douche-iest douche to ever douche?

 

[fpeaugh]

Ok guys you’re right Davis is the savior. He had a good solid game and now he’s our Anthony Davis. You’re right.

Let’s forget how everyone constantly complained about him from the day he arrived as a Freshman until Saturday. He’s a completely new guy now. That’s the only reason we lost 7 straight.

 

[coachv jr]

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[Al Bino]

Yup ....

on the second thing, Arch has only actually recruited one (two counting Creans) class.. so roster construction is up in the air for at least one or two seasons.

I got to harp on this .. sorry but your post above started it (the effect of Davis) so you only have yourself to blame .. lol

Just that one condition ie being able to play behind a post player, and how it changes us. We don't do much of in certain matchups .. and really can't do it except for Davis. I hate fronting the post because it creates an opportunity on every post feed and if the guards and post player are high IQ you'll get lit up.

Morgan and the team do a good job at fronting and bringing a player to the backline to try for a steal and to double I'll give them that but it's so much easier on all defenders not having to. Offense wants to make defense move to create double teams, gaps, and to get open looks.

By fronting the post you cause a rotation and a gap on every post feed. By backing it and going one on one, there is none. Not that it works every time nothing does. fwiw - the lob pass to a posted player is the least efficient play in basketball. So there's a reason we do it, but it's nice having the option of not.

It's always better having multiple options in the tool kit ..

One thing that impressed me was how many times we EFFECTIVELY doubled the post in the MSU game. I assume that playing behind was a key part of why it was effective. The rotation was crisp as players dropped down in the lane to shut off any easy dump offs. Also, if my memory serves me, most times the offensive player retreated and we hustled back to cover everyone.

I was impressed because they seemed to play it perfectly.

 

[snarlcakes]

Davis had 4 assists passing out of the post.

He's always been gifted offensively, even with his old man game.

He's incredibly gifted offensively in half court offense.

One of our biggest issues is our half court offense. A secondary concern is not having a reliable third scorer.

Davis boosted both.

He almost keeled over from exhaustion which is going to be an anchor but...15 minutes of a productive Davis helps this team tremendously, especially in our half court offense.

He has excellent footwork around the bucket, especially for how slow he is. He does a great job of using his body and not speeding himself up when making his post moves. A lot of bigs get in hurry, get off balance, and miss a lot of easy shots.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Ok guys you’re right Davis is the savior. He had a good solid game and now he’s our Anthony Davis. You’re right.

Let’s forget how everyone constantly complained about him from the day he arrived as a Freshman until Saturday. He’s a completely new guy now. That’s the only reason we lost 7 straight.

Nice try, CDK

Wrong.

Prior to Saturday, Davis had played a total of FIFTEEN MINUTES since the calendar rolled to 2019.

But hey, CDK, continue on with your narrative . . .

Last seven games he’d played FIFTEEN MINUTES!

You are a real dumbass.

 

[ndhuntington]

If Mcroberts is a starter then 70% of this forum could start for IU. Davis is not a starter never has or will be unless Morgan is hurt.

 

[TommyCracker]

Ok guys you’re right Davis is the savior. He had a good solid game and now he’s our Anthony Davis. You’re right.

Let’s forget how everyone constantly complained about him from the day he arrived as a Freshman until Saturday. He’s a completely new guy now. That’s the only reason we lost 7 straight.

Wow...you know he hasn't been healthy for over a year. Like his sophomore and junior seasons.

He's still not healthy. We just want 15 productive minutes from him. More would be great.

I mean he's not quite five star stud Nick Richards but he's our only guy with beef that can actually play right now.

If you don't get why then ignore the posts from today in this thread.

If you want to be the world class troll that you are and blame Archie for everything, accuse him of being dumb for not anticipating that we need more size in the conference after the game on Saturday.

At least there is a path to a legit argument.

 

[jet812]

At this point every IU fan who genuinely cares about being elite again should be rooting for losses.

I think any smart IU fan would agree that they never saw a 7 game losing streak IU has more talent and should of never lost 7 straight games. Alot falls on Archie and the coaching staff they have regressed alot this season I for one don't think any basketball coach needs 4 years football yes but basketball no it just gives people excuses.

Should have, not should of. I think any smart person would know that...

 

[speroni]

If Mcroberts is a starter then 70% of this forum could start for IU. Davis is not a starter never has or will be unless Morgan is hurt.

WTF?? McRoberts has been hurt all season, but still started a handful of games. Davis has never been a starter? You are obviously a very observant follower of IU basketball.

 

[jet812]

Ok guys you’re right Davis is the savior. He had a good solid game and now he’s our Anthony Davis. You’re right.

Let’s forget how everyone constantly complained about him from the day he arrived as a Freshman until Saturday. He’s a completely new guy now. That’s the only reason we lost 7 straight.

You have all of the signs of being that old guy whose mind is failing him but thinks he still knows better than everyone else. Everyone this, everyone that. I pity you, must be tough losing it...if you ever actually had it...

 

[ndhuntington]

Your argument makes no sense Zack Mcroberts averages 0.9ppg De'ron Davis 4.4ppg neither are starters yes they have started but there not realistic starters.

WTF?? McRoberts has been hurt all season, but still started a handful of games. Davis has never been a starter? You are obviously a very observant follower of IU basketball.

 

[speroni]

Your argument makes no sense Zack Mcroberts averages 0.9ppg De'ron Davis 4.4ppg neither are starters yes they have started but there not realistic starters.

A) Not all starters are called upon to be scorers. B) McRoberts started most every game in the back half of last season. C) De'ron Davis was a starter last year until he ruptured his achilles. He was expected to work his way back into the lineup midway through this season, until he injured his ankle. Of course he hasn't produced much this year... he's either been injured or in recovery all year. With his game on Saturday, he announced his return to being a force inside. He's our ONLY true center with bulk and experience. When he gets his conditioning back, he'll be putting in starter's minutes. Even with crappy conditioning, he put in starter's minutes on Saturday by necessity. Soon it will be because the team needs him with or without Juwan.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Ok guys you’re right Davis is the savior. He had a good solid game and now he’s our Anthony Davis. You’re right.

Let’s forget how everyone constantly complained about him from the day he arrived as a Freshman until Saturday. He’s a completely new guy now. That’s the only reason we lost 7 straight.

Dude, you’re an idiot. You’re not even making cogent arguments anymore.

Here you resort to snark to counter what NO ONE has actually said.

Maybe take a break, let this dumbassfest concoction you’ve brewed here fade for awhile.

 

[Cutter1973]

You have all of the signs of being that old guy whose mind is failing him but thinks he still knows better than everyone else. Everyone this, everyone that. I pity you, must be tough losing it...if you ever actually had it...

Sadly, I think you are right. It is really the only thing that explains his behavior. The lies, misinformation and ego are getting worse. My Mom suffered from dementia and it’s a horrible disease...I hope he has family that can help him.