Well from a basketball perspective it's looking like not much has changed.
Aside from Coach K and maybe Beilen to some extent years 3 and 4 are clearly where coaches show major strides, even Tony Bennett made tourney in his 3rd year at UVA. If Arch had multiple 5 stars coming in next year things change, but it looks like he has good 4 year players coming in.
I know I'm going to be torn to shreds for this belief, but I'm sticking with my stance on Archie and the Indiana basketball program as a whole in the current college basketball landscape. I firmly believe there are only two ways to win consistently in the sport:
I think Hunter will make a strong contribution once he gets himself back into basketball shape and shakes off the rust. I watched him in high school and he can score from anywhere on the floor.
Which of Archie coached players has shown individual improvement?
I like Hunter’s game and potential. He is not a savior but his upside/ceiling is only second to TJD in my opinion. Perhaps RP when healthy. I would definitely play him in front of Damezi who seems to be the first sub for Smith.
It took more than Zeller to have the team he had in his first two breakout years. Watford, Oladipo and Yogi were also huge. When I look back on that 2012-13 team I still find it hard to believe they only made it to the Sweet 16. That was one of the most talented IU teams of the past 20 years at the time.
I think Chris Beard at Texas Tech would disagree with you, but I get what you are saying.
Yes, I know he's had injuries, but if I'm correct Race Thompson is in his 3rd year at IU you would think he would have a good grasp of at least the philosophy Archie is trying to teach.
This was discussed last year and I know I will get pummeled for saying this, but in my opinion Archie's biggest mistake was offering scholly's to Durham, Moore and Justin Smith, maybe Glass told him he had to this with the APR, but whatever it's biting him in the ass now. Also why does Devonte Green still throw one handed bounce passes and not get benched for good, maddening.
Right, Archie saying the team needed to "mature" was very Creanisque, Arch you're starting upperclassman aside from TJD, Devonte is a senior he ain't gonna mature anymore, crazy.
We have optimists and pessimists on this board. I'm an optimist and I think for good reasons. I know the pessimists think they have good reasons to be pessimists also. It's interesting.
I wish everyone could just agree to some standard with regards to coaches, how long do you wait? Some here seem to have the opinion "however long it takes" I don't agree with that, based on historically perspective of other successful coaches it appears that if there is no NCAA tourney by year 4 it's time to move on...………..
We wait more than a little over two years. I'm one of those that watched Archie at UD very closely and I'm convinced that he's a very good coach. I haven't changed my mind. A bad season this year and next and I'll change my mind about him being the right coach for IU. Next year is probably his last year if it's bad. I don't think it will be but it could be. He's not going to be fired this year regardless. I think the team will win 20 games and be in the NCAA tournament this year. I think next year the team will be better. That will buy him more years and only piss off the anti-IU posters here. I don't count the pessimistic IU fan posters as anti-IU posters. I just think being a pessimist all the time must be hard on those people.
We wait more than a little over two years. I'm one of those that watched Archie at UD very closely and I'm convinced that he's a very good coach. I haven't changed my mind. A bad season this year and next and I'll change my mind about him being the right coach for IU. Next year is probably his last year if it's bad. I don't think it will be but it could be. He's not going to be fired this year regardless. I think the team will win 20 games and be in the NCAA tournament this year. I think next year the team will be better. That will buy him more years and only piss off the anti-IU posters here. I don't count the pessimistic IU fan posters as anti-IU posters. I just think being a pessimist all the time must be hard on those people.
The same examples of coaches are always thrown out. So I guess next year will be big. That's what I keep hearing from the Archie gang.
I will become an optimistic once I see consistent signs this thing is moving in the right direction. That means we are on track to make ncaa tournaments and finish above .500 in the big ten. I see none of that yet in 2.5 years.
You are saying we are going to win 9 big ten games from here on out; Id b interested in knowing what games you think these 9 will be.We wait more than a little over two years. I'm one of those that watched Archie at UD very closely and I'm convinced that he's a very good coach. I haven't changed my mind. A bad season this year and next and I'll change my mind about him being the right coach for IU. Next year is probably his last year if it's bad. I don't think it will be but it could be. He's not going to be fired this year regardless. I think the team will win 20 games and be in the NCAA tournament this year. I think next year the team will be better. That will buy him more years and only piss off the anti-IU posters here. I don't count the pessimistic IU fan posters as anti-IU posters. I just think being a pessimist all the time must be hard on those people.
So why is Archie struggling at IU. I personally don’t think Archie did anything extraordinary at Dayton, I mean Dayton is ranked this year so maybe it’s just the program and not the coach. I’m curious why you thought he was a great coach at Dayton????? He was probably a better coach then the other 80% of coaches in Atlantic 10, but in Big Ten they are all good coaches.We wait more than a little over two years. I'm one of those that watched Archie at UD very closely and I'm convinced that he's a very good coach. I haven't changed my mind. A bad season this year and next and I'll change my mind about him being the right coach for IU. Next year is probably his last year if it's bad. I don't think it will be but it could be. He's not going to be fired this year regardless. I think the team will win 20 games and be in the NCAA tournament this year. I think next year the team will be better. That will buy him more years and only piss off the anti-IU posters here. I don't count the pessimistic IU fan posters as anti-IU posters. I just think being a pessimist all the time must be hard on those people.
Dayton is doing well 2 years after archie left and Indiana is struggling 2 years after crean left. I wonder how that could possibly happen?
You're FOS, again. Louisville under Mack has one grad transfer, and one juco. He's had one more GT than Miller has. 3 to 2. I'm sure that and not Nwora and Enoch, is the difference. *eyeroll*
Yes, that makes perfect sense. Almost like saying Mike Davis was a far better coach than RMK because he took IU to the championship game 2 years after RMK left. I wonder how that could possibly happen?
I honestly don't see how they can enjoy being IU fans if they're 100 percent negative, pessimistic and emotional all the time. It has to be a miserable. I know they seem miserable and many seem totally pathetic.We wait more than a little over two years. I'm one of those that watched Archie at UD very closely and I'm convinced that he's a very good coach. I haven't changed my mind. A bad season this year and next and I'll change my mind about him being the right coach for IU. Next year is probably his last year if it's bad. I don't think it will be but it could be. He's not going to be fired this year regardless. I think the team will win 20 games and be in the NCAA tournament this year. I think next year the team will be better. That will buy him more years and only piss off the anti-IU posters here. I don't count the pessimistic IU fan posters as anti-IU posters. I just think being a pessimist all the time must be hard on those people.
