Two Words - Steve Alford
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Steve . . . is that you? You been posting on this board all this time . . . since 2005? Think you need to look elsewhere for a job Steve. However, you are still one of my all time favorite IU players.
Don’t want Alford as coach, but posts like this bug me. What do you mean gross? I’ve noticed this trend of people on the internet referring to opinions they disagree with as “gross”. Annoys the hell out of me. Decomposing flesh, bodily fluids, certain foods, odors, etc. can be gross. Things you disagree with might be wrong, dumb, etc., but not “gross”. Where did this get started?
BTW-Sorry for the digression, but it beats talking about the game right now.
Hire Steve Alford. Let him hire Mike Lewis and Pat Knight as assistants. And maybe coach Knight comes back. If we dont make an attempt to get back to that era we will never see anything like that era again.
How about ones we could actually get?
You really don’t want another cheater. At least cross #2 off the list.
IF for some reason Glass gets insanely aggressive and fires Archie...
I would hope Kevin Keatts and Chris Beard are his first two calls.
I got all over Crean's ass for imploding as the season wore on and losing the team. I'm an Archie guy but...he can't lose this team like Crean constantly did.
We basically just lost Rob Johnson and the hated Josh Newkirk and replaced them with Romeo and Phinesse.
How in the f#$k are we WORSE than last year??
Typically when a team implodes like this it's chemistry problems.
I would hope Kevin Keatts and Chris Beard are his first two calls.
I got all over Crean's ass for imploding as the season wore on and losing the team. I'm an Archie guy but...he can't lose this team like Crean constantly did.
We basically just lost Rob Johnson and the hated Josh Newkirk and replaced them with Romeo and Phinesse.
How in the f#$k are we WORSE than last year??
Typically when a team implodes like this it's chemistry problems.
Archie Miller...........no other coach!
I know you guys love these exercises in futility, but this is mental masturbation.
Heal yourselves.
I know you guys love these exercises in futility, but this is mental masturbation.
Heal yourselves.
Kind of like how we operate our men’s basketball program: “dumb.”
An embarrassment to the state as the supposed “flagship” university. Right now, one of the two worst programs in the conference. And, you people applaud this.
“Wait until basketball season. We’re basketball crazy!”
Uhhh, yeah. Terrible product.
There’s a reason he’s available.
And Archie isn’t going anywhere for the time being. It’s too soon to be discussing replacements. He’ll get another year.
We don’t have to “go back to that era” to be a winning program. We need to hire a great coach.
You think Duke fans give a hoot in hell that Coach K went to Army? You think UK fans care that Cal didn’t play for Rupp?
This isn’t a Knight thing. Either we’ve got the right guy or we don’t. Right now, it’s looking like we don’t. But — assuming the meltdown doesn’t get even worse before this season ends — Archie will get another year.
After the mess Alford left at Iowa involving a second chance for serial rapist Pierre Pierce and the attitude he took toward the victim, I don't want him anywhere near this program.
we went a good 2 yrs without adding another brick to the Brad Stevens temple. I sense those days are over.
I was always lukewarm on Archie. Most mid-major coaches flame out when they get to power 5 schools, unless they have unprecedented success at the mid-major. Guys like Brad Stevens or Mark Few. I would include Gregg Marshall, but obviously hasn't succeed at a higher level.
I agree with Keatts and Beard. I would also add Marshall and Collins (I think he is really good coach). Glass should have a list together and be ready to move on after next year, if the shit show continues. One nit, the first contacts, should be to guys like Bennett offering them deals that pay them 7-10 million per year. Of course none of this will happen, because our administration is clueless or doesn't give a f##k.
Comes down to one word: LEADERSHIP.
Love Juwan, but he needs to take charge of this team. McBob tries, but he's limitied in ability. When one of your most senior guys like Devonte is burning the weed instead of helping lead, it tells you a lot of what our problems are right now.
Some guys are just delirious as hell thinking CAM is going anywhere for at least two more seasons. He will get his chance to win or lose with his own recruits. This is the TC gift that keeps on giving. CAM may or may not work out but he will get the 4 years to prove it one way or the other. Just silly thinking otherwise.
I just laugh at all these. I was luke warm on Archie when hired post.
Those are the same folks that said great hire !
Now he's a bum.
In four year's if we're playing in an elite eight..Archie is the greatest hire ever..
Those are the same folks that said great hire !
Now he's a bum.
In four year's if we're playing in an elite eight..Archie is the greatest hire ever..
It is why he will get the time to prove himself one way or the other. Love to see all the self proclaimed know it alls here show the first four years results of Coach K, Belien,Marshall,Izzo and then explain why it took them more than two years to right the ship. Just silly fans showing their stupidity.
It's incredibly easy for somebody without any kind of budgetary responsibility to say IU should either pay a coach $7-10M a year or else the decisionmakers just don't care. It's one of the things that both amuses me and frustrates me about sports fans: just how cavalier they are with spending money that isn't theirs (and, maybe, also isn't there).
I'm not intimately familiar with the athletic department's budget, as a whole, or the men's basketball budget, in particular. But I'd be stunned if a figure like this wasn't way beyond our means.
We aren't worse. Last year we lost at Michigan, this year too. Last year, we beat Northwestern and Illinois at home. Same as this year. The other 4 conference games we've played this year didn't happen last year. We didn't play in Mackey, Nebraska didn't come to IU, etc. The schedule really opens up after MSU. Until then, more of a rough ride is coming.
Kenpom last year: 71-92-65 (SOS: 54)
Kenpom this year: 39-52-35. (SOS: 13, with games upcoming against #3 and #6).
We are better. Of course, we all wish we were top-10 and we aren't. Pretty tough to do that in 1.5 seasons while also doing things the "right way."
Well, message board loons won't have anything to do with it. On that much, I'll agree with you. But I think he'd have to have a really good year next year in order to get one beyond that. I think he got something of a pass for the bad result last year. He's going to get much less of one this year. And there's no indication, yet, anyway that CAM has any control over this tailspin.
You have to remember the context of how the Crean era ended. It matters here -- and not just on message boards. Maybe it's unfair to Archie that the reluctance to pull the trigger on Crean means that the trigger finger is that much itchier now. But I suspect that's reality.
The point remains, he won't get fired after 3 seasons. How many college coaches get fired after 3 years in any sport? Just doesn't happen, other than very rare exceptions. And it won't here either.
I think it depends a great deal on what the results of those 3 seasons are.
UNC fired Matt Doherty -- a former player, no less -- after 3 seasons. The first season, the Heels went 26-7 and won the ACC. Then he went 8-20 and 19-16. And that was that -- as well it should've been.
You think UNC fans/boosters/alums regret their athletic department only giving Doherty 3 years? Because I don't. That's what a program with high expectations should do.
I'd say that, after what is likely to be 2 seasons in a row missing the NCAA tournament, Archie is going to need something along the lines of a conference championship or deep tournament run next year to get a year beyond that.
The only item we agree on is that Michael Lewis could be a good assistant at IU if an opening became available. RMK is not coming back. Any future success will have nothing to do with the the Knight era.
We aren't UNC, not even close.
They hadn't missed a tourney for like 25 years prior to Doherty and had been in 7 final fours in the 11 years before he started. They also had a heir apparant, proven high level guy waiting in the wings. Basically the polar opposite of IU.
People need to face reality that IU is just another P5 basketball program. We aren't a blue blood and haven't been for a quarter century and counting.
Michigan is probably the closest parallel to IUs situation. And Bielien didn't start to win anything until his 5th year. I honestly don't think you'd see IU make a move until after the 5th year, unless things are spiralling worse and worse each season. A premature firing would basically be the final death nail for this program.
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Somehow Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky can afford it, but it's way beyond our means? Keep telling yourself that.
jesus christ. just stop with the new coach talk aleady. he's not even completed year 2. he's playing with a roster full of creans turds. some of you are hysterical. archie will be just fine when he gets his guys. right now he's running in another man's shoes. and no i am not crowning him yet, as he does have a lot to prove, but my god i am going to give him a legitimate chance.
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