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Two new walk-on transfers.....sounds intriguing

I was responding to both of you, note the text. Your post was just the most recent of the two. I picked one to cite.

I was taught in school that when you resort to ad hominems that means you are on the losing side of the discussion.
I don’t care. You responded to me and rambled on like a geriatric patient. I’m not agreeing with him. Now go away.
 
I think you and I both know there is a big jump between a true freshman body and a sophomore body in terms of development. Usually a big jump in skill as well.
That can all be true and he can still struggle against bigger guards who decide to lock him down.
 
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Injuries are part of the game, so are the effects of fatigue. You want credit for one but give none for the other.

I do remember all the sympathy that was given here for the Hummel and Haas injuries. Oh wait.....
Tons of empathy from Hoosiers grads for Hummel who should have been a Hoosier

Haas did it to himself

When Edey, and two other starters are out or hobbled...let me know.

Led with your chin on that one Bubba.
 
well, Loyer shot 33% on 3s and 37% overall, so if you think he's good overall, but not a great 3 pt shooter, the #s don't really support that, imo. He was an ok-good shooter but needs to get stronger to finish more/better. Loyer averaged 29 mpg and 11 ppg, as a freshman. He's likely better at everything than a walk on we just signed, because he's not going to get off the bench most likely. The trolling comment, I'll buy!
Not sure I'm following you here...

He isn't an elite shooter, the stats you provide bear that out. His percentages were better inside the 3 point line than out, though. Neither were elite... But he is sneaky good off the dribble, mid range, etc...

He did average double figures in the B10 as a frosh. He also averaged 2.4 assists a game, had a 2:1 assist/TO ratio, was 80% from the line...

He's a good overall player. He isn't nearly as good an outside shooter as Purdue fans claim he is. And he's horrid defensively.

He's better than Creel, overall, I'm sure. But its not a stretch to think Creel could be a better spot up shooter, and a better defender. Won't matter, like you said, he won't play. But if he's a solid outside shooter, and is any sort of adequate defender, at 6'5, he could help in practices.

My Troll had its intended effect though...
 
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I think you and I both know there is a big jump between a true freshman body and a sophomore body in terms of development. Usually a big jump in skill as well.
Not nearly as big of a jump any more as there used to be. Most kids come in to college having worked extensively with personal trainers for years. I know Loyer did, because I know one of the many trainers he worked with.

He'll gain some muscle, I'm sure. But he'll still suck defensively. And I bet his shooting slump had A LOT more to do with people actually guarding him, instead of throwing 2-3 bodies at Lerch every possession.

We'll see how he shoots this entire year with more teams guarding him straight up.
 
Not nearly as big of a jump any more as there used to be. Most kids come in to college having worked extensively with personal trainers for years. I know Loyer did, because I know one of the many trainers he worked with.

He'll gain some muscle, I'm sure. But he'll still suck defensively. And I bet his shooting slump had A LOT more to do with people actually guarding him, instead of throwing 2-3 bodies at Lerch every possession.

We'll see how he shoots this entire year with more teams guarding him straight up.
I wouldn't be so sure on gains. Maybe I am getting bad Intel. I definitely wouldn't bet ya. Dude was getting beat up. It's part of why I think Purdue could serve to get Benter in there asap. And Giccari Harris if he commits.
 
All Painter had to do was look over to our bench to see our head coach and know his team always had a chance during that 9-0 run. Those days are done. Woodson is now 3-1 against you clowns. There's a new boss come to B-town. I predict we sweep you again, just to feel that feel again.
I remember the posts here when that head coach to whom you referred was hired. He was claimed to be the guy to lead you to the promised land. The same was made when his predecessor was hired. Neither came true. Perhaps as you say that the new boss is the guy. Personally, I doubt it but that remains to be seen.

4 games is a small sample set from which to draw meaningful conclusions. As I posted, over a larger sample set, I just saw regression to the mean. Time will tell which is the case.
 
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Tons of empathy from Hoosiers grads for Hummel who should have been a Hoosier

Haas did it to himself

When Edey, and two other starters are out or hobbled...let me know.

Led with your chin on that one Bubba.
Tons of empathy about Hummel? That is truly one of your famous stretches of the truth. I remember very clearly the post about "Hummel's ligaments hanging from the rafters.." and the subsequent posts and laughs about it. Cut the nonsense because that happened here. Do not pretend that did not happen.
 
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Tons of empathy about Hummel? That is truly one of your famous stretches of the truth. I remember very clearly the post about "Hummel's ligaments hanging from the rafters.." and the subsequent posts and laughs about it. Cut the nonsense because that happened here. Do not pretend that did not happen.
Link?
 
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I remember the posts here when that head coach to whom you referred was hired. He was claimed to be the guy to lead you to the promised land. The same was made when his predecessor was hired. Neither came true. Perhaps as you say that the new boss is the guy. Personally, I doubt it but that remains to be seen.
The Promised Land...something you'll never have to worry about, unless Little Debbie, Sara Lee or some other bakery decides to give out retroactive championships again.
 
Tons of empathy about Hummel? That is truly one of your famous stretches of the truth. I remember very clearly the post about "Hummel's ligaments hanging from the rafters.." and the subsequent posts and laughs about it. Cut the nonsense because that happened here. Do not pretend that did not happen.
People losing debates always point frantically to the outliers.

My statement is far more valid than yours

as usual Bubba.
 
I was responding to both of you, note the text. Your post was just the most recent of the two. I picked one to cite.

I was taught in school that when you resort to ad hominems that means you are on the losing side of the discussion.
I remember in school learning how and when to properlu use the term "ad hominem"
 
If you’re betting the farm on Benter being your savior, you’d better have an apartment ready to move into.
Where did I say he'd be a savior? I was reference a physical 2 guard that can shoot lights out and score through contact. Keep up with the conversation I'm having here. I'm not part of this bigger conversation arguing BS. I'm talking facts.
 
I remember the posts here when that head coach to whom you referred was hired. He was claimed to be the guy to lead you to the promised land. The same was made when his predecessor was hired. Neither came true. Perhaps as you say that the new boss is the guy. Personally, I doubt it but that remains to be seen.

4 games is a small sample set from which to draw meaningful conclusions. As I posted, over a larger sample set, I just saw regression to the mean. Time will tell which is the case.
Keady never made it to the promised land. Matt is shitting the bed against double digit seeds, including the worst loss in NCAAT history, after 20 years: no promised land there. Time to start sitting out the NCAAT. Perhaps try the D-2 or D-3 tournies? NAIA?

Is 50 years a large enough sample? PU is a bed shitting program when it counts. #16
 
I get that you don't like Purdue. I get that you don't like Loyer. However, your post is simply silly.

Loyer won a national 3-point shooting contest as a HS Senior. He was Honorable Mention All-Big Ten as a true freshman. Do you contend that the media that vote these awards and cover the Big Ten are ignorant or foolish? It would seem that you do.

Now, if you want to claim that his shooting fell off during the season, especially in the latter part, you would be correct. The combination of "...hitting the freshman wall...", the especially physical Big Ten play and his physical build were highly likely factors in that outcome. No argument there at all. But to claim that he isn't a good shooter doesn't work given his earlier season results and his HS career.

Physical maturity and additional training are likely to change the arc of seasonal performance for him. I would not expect a repeat performance over time.

I know that you revel in the 2-game sweep. But I am old enough to remember a very much longer one on the other side in the not-so-distant past.
There is a big difference between shooting from a machine or off racks in a gym and doing it with bigger, quicker, more athletic players defending you.

Loyer's production went down because teams and coaches put more pressure on purdue's guards. Thank you Mike Woodson!
 
Not sure I'm following you here...

He isn't an elite shooter, the stats you provide bear that out. His percentages were better inside the 3 point line than out, though. Neither were elite... But he is sneaky good off the dribble, mid range, etc...

He did average double figures in the B10 as a frosh. He also averaged 2.4 assists a game, had a 2:1 assist/TO ratio, was 80% from the line...

He's a good overall player. He isn't nearly as good an outside shooter as Purdue fans claim he is. And he's horrid defensively.

He's better than Creel, overall, I'm sure. But its not a stretch to think Creel could be a better spot up shooter, and a better defender. Won't matter, like you said, he won't play. But if he's a solid outside shooter, and is any sort of adequate defender, at 6'5, he could help in practices.

My Troll had its intended effect though...
33% is OK as a 3 pt shooter, but 37% on overall FG% is pretty horrid, so that says he's not good off the dribble, not even sneaky good. So, if he's pretty horrid inside the 3 pt line, and he's not a great 3 pt shooter to the point you'd consider a walk on might be better, and he's bad defensively, I'm struggling to see how you might think he's still a good overall player? I think he was pretty good for a freshman starter on a team that had a good season, as was Smith. Really pretty amazing they had the year they did with 2 freshmen starters. So, I think it's highly unlikely a walk-on is going to be better at any significant facet of the game than a kid who proved himself already with a successful freshman year. Hence, why I'm buying the trolling part!
 
Where did I say he'd be a savior? I was reference a physical 2 guard that can shoot lights out and score through contact. Keep up with the conversation I'm having here. I'm not part of this bigger conversation arguing BS. I'm talking facts.
A bigger question is can they defend?
 
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There is a big difference between shooting from a machine or off racks in a gym and doing it with bigger, quicker, more athletic players defending you.

Loyer's production went down because teams and coaches put more pressure on purdue's guards. Thank you Mike Woodson!
I see one site saying 3 pt % is 31.4 % and 52% of his shots were from beyond the arc, not sure why it’s lower/who is right.

Incidentally they also show 19% of his shots at the rim where he’s shooting an even 50%.
 
Perhaps so, but you must have missed the day when they taught how to spell the word "properly."
There is quite a difference between trying to sound well educated and falling on your face…as you did (and often do), and fat fingering the letter next to the intended letter on the phone keyboard as I did.

Off to a tough start today aren’t you Bubba?
 
There is quite a difference between trying to sound well educated and falling on your face…as you did (and often do), and fat fingering the letter next to the intended letter on the phone keyboard as I did.

Off to a tough start today aren’t you Bubba?
What’s the difference? Can you explain?
 
Again, I think both will be able to play defense. Benter has a high bball IQ and strength. Harris, if he commits, is athletic.
For those who don't know, Gicarri Harris is a 6-4" combo guard from Georgia, rated in the top 100. As (another) son of arguably PU's greatest players, Glenn Robinson, he is considered a strong lean to choose PU, based upon his earlier comments and visitations.
 
For those who don't know, Gicarri Harris is a 6-4" combo guard from Georgia, rated in the top 100. As (another) son of arguably PU's greatest players, Glenn Robinson, he is considered a strong lean to choose PU, based upon his earlier comments and visitations.

arguably PU's greatest players, Glenn Robinson
Don't know if it's arguable. Big Dog was a beast! He'd be my choice for best ever as a Boiler.
 
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Don't know if it's arguable. Big Dog was a beast! He'd be my choice for best ever as a Boiler.
Yeah, he and Alan Henderson in the same class had some epic battles. Big Dog was the better player of the two, I believe, but Alan proved the better person after Glenn’s domestic violence rap. It was reported he “brutally beat” his ex-fiancé, then demanded she give him a gun to shoot himself. They just call them “stress outlets” up there in Gary.
 
Yeah, he and Alan Henderson in the same class had some epic battles. Big Dog was the better player of the two, I believe, but Alan proved the better person after Glenn’s domestic violence rap. It was reported he “brutally beat” his ex-fiancé, then demanded she give him a gun to shoot himself. They just call them “stress outlets” up there in Gary.
Dumb
 
Yeah, he and Alan Henderson in the same class had some epic battles. Big Dog was the better player of the two, I believe, but Alan proved the better person after Glenn’s domestic violence rap. It was reported he “brutally beat” his ex-fiancé, then demanded she give him a gun to shoot himself. They just call them “stress outlets” up there in Gary.
I don't recall Alan ever taking a swing at a female gas station clerk who asked him to turn the rap down in his vehicle either.
 
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