Trump made me do it?

[cosmickid]

Thomas Webster who was convicted of Jan 6 charges within a number of hours by a jury is set for sentencing Sept 1, and the DOJ is requesting a 17 yr sentence. That would be nearly double the previous sentence that has previously been handed down, and it's obvious the DOJ want to make an example here for future defendants weighing possible plea deals or facing sentences. They are arguing premeditation
(he took his bullet proof vest and off duty firearm, along with the flagpole he used to attack Capitol police officers) with him from PA to DC. He's a Marine and former NYC LEO, so the argument is he should have known the dangerous aspect of the riot he planned to engage in...

The complicating (and possibly mitigating) factor for me is that he has apologized and disavowed his actions, including renouncing the Big Lie beliefs that he previously held. And his attorneys are blaming Trump for deceiving him and thousands of others in DC, and millions of people thruout the US, and basically inciting Webster and others to riot. A little background...



I'm not sure why the DOJ isn't giving any credence to his renouncement of violence, unless they doubt he's sincere. No idea if he could earn any kind of consideration thru co operation, or if he even has anything to offer. My purely guesstimate is that he'll get 8-9 yrs, but that's going strictly off the info in the video...

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

If they are trying to make an example of him, then I wouldn't be shocked if his sentence got shortened down the road when this is more a distance memory and no one is paying attention.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Thomas Webster who was convicted of Jan 6 charges within a number of hours by a jury is set for sentencing Sept 1, and the DOJ is requesting a 17 yr sentence. That would be nearly double the previous sentence that has previously been handed down, and it's obvious the DOJ want to make an example here for future defendants weighing possible plea deals or facing sentences. They are arguing premeditation
(he took his bullet proof vest and off duty firearm, along with the flagpole he used to attack Capitol police officers) with him from PA to DC. He's a Marine and former NYC LEO, so the argument is he should have known the dangerous aspect of the riot he planned to engage in...

The complicating (and possibly mitigating) factor for me is that he has apologized and disavowed his actions, including renouncing the Big Lie beliefs that he previously held. And his attorneys are blaming Trump for deceiving him and thousands of others in DC, and millions of people thruout the US, and basically inciting Webster and others to riot. A little background...

View embedded media

I'm not sure why the DOJ isn't giving any credence to his renouncement of violence, unless they doubt he's sincere. No idea if he could earn any kind of consideration thru co operation, or if he even has anything to offer. My purely guesstimate is that he'll get 8-9 yrs, but that's going strictly off the info in the video...

I honestly don't know how all of that will work, but I'm curious if people who have committed crimes under the fog of a cult have received any type of leniency by renouncing their cult and it's leaders?

I think the first part of your post is what will probably do him in. As a former Marine and NYC cop, he most definitely should have known better.

 

[hoot1]

When in college I witnessed what reporters referred to as a student riot.

It all started as a water fight (garden hoses and fraternity members spraying each other). Someone called the police who then began engaging physically with the students. Seeing this other students who had been onlookers joined the fracas to defend their fellow students.

For my part I remained as an onlooker at some distance.

When watching the January 6th so-called riot my thoughts ran back to the student riot which I had witnessed many years prior. Just like the students in the water fight emotions were running high with some being violent while others were just like the tourists who visit the Capitol building on a daily basis.

Separating the bad guys from the tag alongs seems to me to be a difficult task. When I read about the hundreds being charged, I just shake my head.

 

[TMFT]

If the DOJ attys are intentionally trying to make an example of anyone they should be ashamed. A prosecutor’s job is to seek Justice. There is a deterrent effect to be sure, but there should be no such thing as a trial tax or over punishing one to encourage plea agreements from others.

 

[DANC]

When in college I witnessed what reporters referred to as a student riot.

It all started as a water fight (garden hoses and fraternity members spraying each other). Someone called the police who then began engaging physically with the students. Seeing this other students who had been onlookers joined the fracas to defend their fellow students.

For my part I remained as an onlooker at some distance.

When watching the January 6th so-called riot my thoughts ran back to the student riot which I had witnessed many years prior. Just like the students in the water fight emotions were running high with some being violent while others were just like the tourists who visit the Capitol building on a daily basis.

Separating the bad guys from the tag alongs seems to me to be a difficult task. When I read about the hundreds being charged, I just shake my head.

Not only charged, but held without bail in solitary confinement. And elderly doing prison time for not even entering the Capitol.

It's a disgusting stain on our nation.

 

[DANC]

Thomas Webster who was convicted of Jan 6 charges within a number of hours by a jury is set for sentencing Sept 1, and the DOJ is requesting a 17 yr sentence. That would be nearly double the previous sentence that has previously been handed down, and it's obvious the DOJ want to make an example here for future defendants weighing possible plea deals or facing sentences. They are arguing premeditation
(he took his bullet proof vest and off duty firearm, along with the flagpole he used to attack Capitol police officers) with him from PA to DC. He's a Marine and former NYC LEO, so the argument is he should have known the dangerous aspect of the riot he planned to engage in...

The complicating (and possibly mitigating) factor for me is that he has apologized and disavowed his actions, including renouncing the Big Lie beliefs that he previously held. And his attorneys are blaming Trump for deceiving him and thousands of others in DC, and millions of people thruout the US, and basically inciting Webster and others to riot. A little background...

View embedded media

I'm not sure why the DOJ isn't giving any credence to his renouncement of violence, unless they doubt he's sincere. No idea if he could earn any kind of consideration thru co operation, or if he even has anything to offer. My purely guesstimate is that he'll get 8-9 yrs, but that's going strictly off the info in the video...

Who's that guy that instigated the riot and told everyone to go INTO the Capitol and then apologized and the FBI didn't charge him with anything?

Oh yeah - Ray Epps.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

When in college I witnessed what reporters referred to as a student riot.

It all started as a water fight (garden hoses and fraternity members spraying each other). Someone called the police who then began engaging physically with the students. Seeing this other students who had been onlookers joined the fracas to defend their fellow students.

For my part I remained as an onlooker at some distance.

When watching the January 6th so-called riot my thoughts ran back to the student riot which I had witnessed many years prior. Just like the students in the water fight emotions were running high with some being violent while others were just like the tourists who visit the Capitol building on a daily basis.

Separating the bad guys from the tag alongs seems to me to be a difficult task. When I read about the hundreds being charged, I just shake my head.

From what I heard, the people getting sentenced are those that did more than just walk around at least. Plus, if you are breaking through barricades, the whole innocent thing is out the window

 

[DANC]

From what I heard, the people getting sentenced are those that did more than just walk around at least. Plus, if you are breaking through barricades, the whole innocent thing is out the window

Watch Foxnews sometime - you'd know your statement if a lie, Amber.

Video: Grandmother, 69, with Cancer Reports to Prison for Jan. 6 Charges, Has Message for Americans

Outside the federal prison, her daughter asked, 'Mom, what do you have to say to the American people as your last words before you go in?'

www.westernjournal.com

 

[Crayfish57]

I honestly don't know how all of that will work, but I'm curious if people who have committed crimes under the fog of a cult have received any type of leniency by renouncing their cult and it's leaders?

I think the first part of your post is what will probably do him in. As a former Marine and NYC cop, he most definitely should have known better.

OMG the cult BS, yesterday you had an aluminum colander on your head telling us that Trump has been selling secrets out of his basement leading to recent deaths around the world.

 

[Lucy01]

OMG the cult BS, yesterday you had an aluminum colander on your head telling us that Trump has been selling secrets out of his basement leading to recent deaths around the world.

I wonder how many secrets Nancy Pelosi has sold to foreign governments to amass a 300 million dollar fortune on a 167k salary.

 

[TMFT]

I wonder how many secrets Nancy Pelosi has sold to foreign governments to amass a 300 million dollar fortune on a 167k salary.

I don’t think they’re worth quite that much. And it’s her husband’s money.

 

[Stuffshot]

Thomas Webster who was convicted of Jan 6 charges within a number of hours by a jury is set for sentencing Sept 1, and the DOJ is requesting a 17 yr sentence. That would be nearly double the previous sentence that has previously been handed down, and it's obvious the DOJ want to make an example here for future defendants weighing possible plea deals or facing sentences. They are arguing premeditation
(he took his bullet proof vest and off duty firearm, along with the flagpole he used to attack Capitol police officers) with him from PA to DC. He's a Marine and former NYC LEO, so the argument is he should have known the dangerous aspect of the riot he planned to engage in...

The complicating (and possibly mitigating) factor for me is that he has apologized and disavowed his actions, including renouncing the Big Lie beliefs that he previously held. And his attorneys are blaming Trump for deceiving him and thousands of others in DC, and millions of people thruout the US, and basically inciting Webster and others to riot. A little background...

View embedded media

I'm not sure why the DOJ isn't giving any credence to his renouncement of violence, unless they doubt he's sincere. No idea if he could earn any kind of consideration thru co operation, or if he even has anything to offer. My purely guesstimate is that he'll get 8-9 yrs, but that's going strictly off the info in the video...

You ask "why the DOJ isn't giving any credence to his renouncement of violence." Seems simple.

First, it's clear that a defendant's 11th-hour claim that he is "sorry," has "learned his lesson," "didn't mean it," "made a mistake" and all the others blah blah blah etc. are just appeals to the judge who is going to sentence him, not to the prosecutors who have been dealing with him, his attorneys and his case for months. The prosecutors have had months to smell the BS, but a judge probably has only a few hours to evaluate the defendant.

So, Webster's appeals translate only to "Pretty please, judge, don't send me up for a long time, pretty please. And, judge, please note that I said, 'pretty please,' OK?"

It does not do justice to just say Webster merely "attacked" a police officer with a flagpole -- yes, Webster hit the cop with a flagpole but then he tackled the cop, pinned him to the ground, tried to rip off his gas mask and helmet and, note this, tried to gouge out his eyes with his thumbs!

Caught Finally: ‘The Eye Gouger,’ former NYPD for Deadly Attacks on Capitol Police | VT Foreign Policy

www.veteranstoday.com

Capitol Rioter in 'Shock' Over Detention With 'Inner-City Crimes' Inmates

Thomas Webster, 54, has been accused of attacking a police officer with a metal pole and attempted to gouge his eyes on January 6.

www.newsweek.com

Wouldn't we all love to cross-examine Webster as to why (1) he brought a flagpole, vest and weapon with him, (2) why he violently attacked a brother cop, and why he thought his fellow police officer no longer deserved to have his eyes? Hmmmm, maybe Webster's acts were premeditated.

 

[Stuffshot]

I honestly don't know how all of that will work, but I'm curious if people who have committed crimes under the fog of a cult have received any type of leniency by renouncing their cult and it's leaders?

I think the first part of your post is what will probably do him in. As a former Marine and NYC cop, he most definitely should have known better.

Well, OK, but Webster was caught on video trying to gouge out the cop's eyes with his thumbs.

DOJ seeks the longest Capitol riot prison term yet — 17 years for 'eye-gouging' ex-NYPD officer who swung a flagpole at police

The 210 months sought by the DOJ for Thomas Webster would be the longest Capitol riot sentence. His lawyer says Trump misled him.

ca.news.yahoo.com

Offhand, I can't think of a cult that could trick people into thinking that it's OK to gouge someone's eyes out with your thumbs.

Does any thinking person think it's OK to gouge eyes out?

 

[Ohio Guy]

Well, OK, but Webster was caught on video trying to gouge out the cop's eyes with his thumbs.

DOJ seeks the longest Capitol riot prison term yet — 17 years for 'eye-gouging' ex-NYPD officer who swung a flagpole at police

The 210 months sought by the DOJ for Thomas Webster would be the longest Capitol riot sentence. His lawyer says Trump misled him.

ca.news.yahoo.com

Offhand, I can't think of a cult that could trick people into thinking that it's OK to gouge someone's eyes out with your thumbs.

Does any thinking person think it's OK to gouge eyes out?

Cults have convinced people to kill other people - or themselves. Gouging a non-believer’s eyes our would seem par for the course.

And no rational person thinks it’s ok to gouge anyone’s eyes out.

 

[Stuffshot]

When in college I witnessed what reporters referred to as a student riot.

It all started as a water fight (garden hoses and fraternity members spraying each other). Someone called the police who then began engaging physically with the students. Seeing this other students who had been onlookers joined the fracas to defend their fellow students.

For my part I remained as an onlooker at some distance.

When watching the January 6th so-called riot my thoughts ran back to the student riot which I had witnessed many years prior. Just like the students in the water fight emotions were running high with some being violent while others were just like the tourists who visit the Capitol building on a daily basis.

Separating the bad guys from the tag alongs seems to me to be a difficult task. When I read about the hundreds being charged, I just shake my head.

Not trying to disagree with you at all, but did any of the anti-war demonstrators you personally observed in those crazy times try to gouge someone's eyes out with his thumbs, like this guy did?

DOJ seeks the longest Capitol riot prison term yet — 17 years for 'eye-gouging' ex-NYPD officer who swung a flagpole at police

The 210 months sought by the DOJ for Thomas Webster would be the longest Capitol riot sentence. His lawyer says Trump misled him.

ca.news.yahoo.com

Webster deserves the maximum he can legally get. Eye-gouging is the first tie-breaker against granting leniency.

Why do people want to give him a break?

 

[Stuffshot]

Well, OK, but Webster was caught on video trying to gouge out the cop's eyes with his thumbs.

Cults have convinced people to kill other people - or themselves. Gouging a non-believer’s eyes our would seem par for the course.

And no rational person thinks it’s ok to gouge anyone’s eyes out.

Webster's a violent asshole. No one should excuse him -- even a little bit.

 

[Ohio Guy]

OMG the cult BS, yesterday you had an aluminum colander on your head telling us that Trump has been selling secrets out of his basement leading to recent deaths around the world.

Sigh - I relayed that there was speculation that that informant information could have leaked from the highly sensitive information Trump stole from the federal government.

Honest question - given everything we know about Trump, what makes you think he wouldn’t sell out the intel community?

 

[Ohio Guy]

Webster's a violent asshole. No one should excuse him -- even a little bit.

I think we’re in agreement there.

 

[Standard Issue]

You ask "why the DOJ isn't giving any credence to his renouncement of violence." Seems simple.

First, it's clear that a defendant's 11th-hour claim that he is "sorry," has "learned his lesson," "didn't mean it," "made a mistake" and all the others blah blah blah etc. are just appeals to the judge who is going to sentence him, not to the prosecutors who have been dealing with him, his attorneys and his case for months. The prosecutors have had months to smell the BS, but a judge probably has only a few hours to evaluate the defendant.

So, Webster's appeals translate only to "Pretty please, judge, don't send me up for a long time, pretty please. And, judge, please note that I said, 'pretty please,' OK?"

It does not do justice to just say Webster merely "attacked" a police officer with a flagpole -- yes, Webster hit the cop with a flagpole but then he tackled the cop, pinned him to the ground, tried to rip off his gas mask and helmet and, note this, tried to gouge out his eyes with his thumbs!

Caught Finally: ‘The Eye Gouger,’ former NYPD for Deadly Attacks on Capitol Police | VT Foreign Policy

www.veteranstoday.com

Capitol Rioter in 'Shock' Over Detention With 'Inner-City Crimes' Inmates

Thomas Webster, 54, has been accused of attacking a police officer with a metal pole and attempted to gouge his eyes on January 6.

www.newsweek.com

Wouldn't we all love to cross-examine Webster as to why (1) he brought a flagpole, vest and weapon with him, (2) why he violently attacked a brother cop, and why he thought his fellow police officer no longer deserved to have his eyes? Hmmmm, maybe Webster's acts were premeditated.

Everybody is sorry when they get caught.

I hope he gets the 17 and serves everyday.

 

[Stuffshot]

I honestly don't know how all of that will work, but I'm curious if people who have committed crimes under the fog of a cult have received any type of leniency by renouncing their cult and it's leaders?

I think the first part of your post is what will probably do him in. As a former Marine and NYC cop, he most definitely should have known better.

As a mere human being, he should have known better. Humans know better.

It insults reality to suggest he didn't know eye-gouging was wrong until he joined the Marines and cops.

Gouging eyes in a political demonstration is way far over the top -- that can't be defended. It's up there with pulling wings and legs off of animals and anything Dahmer did. Don't join that side.

 

[Lucy01]

I don’t think they’re worth quite that much. And it’s her husband’s money.

You don’t think there’s any pillow talk? Don’t forget that her son also worked for a Ukraine gas company.

 

[DANC]

Sigh - I relayed that there was speculation that that informant information could have leaked from the highly sensitive information Trump stole from the federal government.

Honest question - given everything we know about Trump, what makes you think he wouldn’t sell out the intel community?

Well, we already know the Clintons sold out the country, taking money from Russia for the Clinton Foundation, selling our uranium source to Russian, and paying for information from Russia for the Steele dossier, so I can see why you are leery.

But Trump's not a Democrat, so that should ease your mind.

 

[DANC]

Webster's a violent asshole. No one should excuse him -- even a little bit.

Same for the "cop" who killed Ashli Babbit.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

I don’t think they’re worth quite that much. And it’s her husband’s money.

Truth doesn't matter to the Trump cultists

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Same for the "cop" who killed Ashli Babbit.

The cop who did his job you mean.

That traitor asked for it when she attacked dc and ignored the cop saying to go no further.

What was he supposed to do? Let her through to endanger the people he was protecting?

 

[walkerman]

I wonder how many secrets Nancy Pelosi has sold to foreign governments to amass a 300 million dollar fortune on a 167k salary.

Thousands and thousands of secrets to thousands and thousands of governments Lucy. What should we do?

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Thousands and thousands of secrets to thousands and thousands of governments Lucy. What should we do?

According to them, nothing. Fbi raids are unnecessary.... should just kindly ask for the secrets back over and over again.

 

[walkerman]

Watch Foxnews sometime - you'd know your statement if a lie, Amber.

Video: Grandmother, 69, with Cancer Reports to Prison for Jan. 6 Charges, Has Message for Americans

Outside the federal prison, her daughter asked, 'Mom, what do you have to say to the American people as your last words before you go in?'

www.westernjournal.com

Watch Fox news for the truth? Now that's a unique idea.

 

[cosmickid]

Who's that guy that instigated the riot and told everyone to go INTO the Capitol and then apologized and the FBI didn't charge him with anything?

Oh yeah - Ray Epps.

Yeah let's look at video from the police line outside of the Capitol and compare Webster's actions



with video we have of Epps...

Ray Epps - Holding Court At Front Of Police Line

rumble.com

Can you see a reason why the DOJ/FBI might view one more positively than the other?

Or are you just going to continue to be dishonest?

Whoever posted that video on rumble to try and (apparently) dox Epps to the militia, likely ended up just bolstering his claims of playing peacemaker. Undoubtedly the FBI/DOJ viewed it, and felt it corroborated what Epps told them. Unintentional consequences...

Watch Foxnews sometime - you'd know your statement if a lie, Amber.

Video: Grandmother, 69, with Cancer Reports to Prison for Jan. 6 Charges, Has Message for Americans

Outside the federal prison, her daughter asked, 'Mom, what do you have to say to the American people as your last words before you go in?'

www.westernjournal.com

Read something beyond a right wing rag sometime. Maybe you'll learn something...

"Pam Hemphill, who had flown to Washington, D.C. from Idaho on Jan. 5 to support Donald Trump’s effort to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, had pushed through police lines three different times as the crowd outside the Capitol grew increasingly violent. She also encouraged her fellow rioters to push their way inside the building, and she was later seen inside the Rotunda itself."

She's only 2 years older than me, and it appears she was playing games and aiding and abetting. So 2 months seems minimally appropriate. It also appears the judge who sentenced her (A Reagan appointee) felt that someone he had given a break to earlier had abused his kindness, and he was not happy. So maybe it was just lousy timing on her part...

At Hemphill’s sentencing hearing Tuesday, Senior U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth cut right to the point, telling Hemphill that she will be serving time behind bars.

“As tempting as it is to be lenient in this kind of situation, what I have discerned is it is such a serious offense because it’s such a serious event in the history of our country,” Lamberth said. “I have to agree with the government’s recommendation in this case. I believe that there has to be a penalty when there is a serious offense like this.”

Lamberth, a Ronald Reagan appointee, said that while he believed Hemphill may have been sincere in her apology, he didn’t want a repeat of what happened with Jan. 6 defendant Anna Morgan-Lloyd, who appeared on Fox News and appeared to walk back the remorse she had expressed just one day prior in Lamberth’s court.

“The first sentencing I did, I did a sentence of probation and it turned out to be a serious sentencing error on my part,” Lamberth said. “The defendant seemed contrite at the time and the next day made statements on national TV that were embarrassing to me, as well as her, and it turned out I have a hard time discerning the sincerity.”

Idaho Woman, 69, Gets Jail Time After 'Needlessly' Distracting Police on Jan. 6

A 69-year-old Idaho woman who was seen being walked down the steps of the U.S. Capitol after having breached the building—and encouraging other rioters to do the same—has been sentenced to two months behind bars.

lawandcrime.com

​

 

[DANC]

The cop who did his job you mean.

That traitor asked for it when she attacked dc and ignored the cop saying to go no further.

What was he supposed to do? Let her through to endanger the people he was protecting?

Sure, a woman veteran barely 5 foot tall is going to come through a door.

The coward panicked and shot her while other officers were on her side of the door.

Read sometime, Amber.

 

[DANC]

Watch Fox news for the truth? Now that's a unique idea.

Only if you're interested in hearing and seeing another side.

 

[DANC]

Yeah let's look at video from the police line outside of the Capitol and compare Webster's actions

View embedded media

with video we have of Epps...

Ray Epps - Holding Court At Front Of Police Line

rumble.com

Can you see a reason why the DOJ/FBI might view one more positively than the other?

Or are you just going to continue to be dishonest?

Whoever posted that video on rumble to try and (apparently) dox Epps to the militia, likely ended up just bolstering his claims of playing peacemaker. Undoubtedly the FBI/DOJ viewed it, and felt it corroborated what Epps told them. Unintentional consequences...






Read something beyond a right wing rag sometime. Maybe you'll learn something...

"Pam Hemphill, who had flown to Washington, D.C. from Idaho on Jan. 5 to support Donald Trump’s effort to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, had pushed through police lines three different times as the crowd outside the Capitol grew increasingly violent. She also encouraged her fellow rioters to push their way inside the building, and she was later seen inside the Rotunda itself."

She's only 2 years older than me, and it appears she was playing games and aiding and abetting. So 2 months seems minimally appropriate. It also appears the judge who sentenced her (A Reagan appointee) felt that someone he had given a break to earlier had abused his kindness, and he was not happy. So maybe it was just lousy timing on her part...

At Hemphill’s sentencing hearing Tuesday, Senior U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth cut right to the point, telling Hemphill that she will be serving time behind bars.

“As tempting as it is to be lenient in this kind of situation, what I have discerned is it is such a serious offense because it’s such a serious event in the history of our country,” Lamberth said. “I have to agree with the government’s recommendation in this case. I believe that there has to be a penalty when there is a serious offense like this.”

Lamberth, a Ronald Reagan appointee, said that while he believed Hemphill may have been sincere in her apology, he didn’t want a repeat of what happened with Jan. 6 defendant Anna Morgan-Lloyd, who appeared on Fox News and appeared to walk back the remorse she had expressed just one day prior in Lamberth’s court.

“The first sentencing I did, I did a sentence of probation and it turned out to be a serious sentencing error on my part,” Lamberth said. “The defendant seemed contrite at the time and the next day made statements on national TV that were embarrassing to me, as well as her, and it turned out I have a hard time discerning the sincerity.”

Idaho Woman, 69, Gets Jail Time After 'Needlessly' Distracting Police on Jan. 6

A 69-year-old Idaho woman who was seen being walked down the steps of the U.S. Capitol after having breached the building—and encouraging other rioters to do the same—has been sentenced to two months behind bars.

lawandcrime.com

​

They both should be charged. I'm not excusing anyone, while you're excusing one of the organizers of the storming of the Capitol.

At least be consistent.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Same for the "cop" who killed Ashli Babbit.

No, that's not the same. She was openly breaking the law and trespassing on highly restricted federal property.

If you try to enter restricted areas of the US Capitol despite repeated warnings not to, you'd be met with the same fate.

I don't get why so many people try to make her a martyr. An argument could be made that she's the patron saint of 'effing around and finding out.'

 

[Crayfish57]

Sigh - I relayed that there was speculation that that informant information could have leaked from the highly sensitive information Trump stole from the federal government.

Honest question - given everything we know about Trump, what makes you think he wouldn’t sell out the intel community?

What I know about you is you represent yourself as a smarmy individual I would never take seriously about anything.

''given everything we know about Trump, what makes you think he wouldn’t sell out the intel community?''

Just what exactly is that ''we' do know and please site accurate sources not your comic book collection.

 

[DANC]

No, that's not the same. She was openly breaking the law and trespassing on highly restricted federal property.

If you try to enter restricted areas of the US Capitol despite repeated warnings not to, you'd be met with the same fate.

I don't get why so many people try to make her a martyr. An argument could be made that she's the patron saint of 'effing around and finding out.'

You don't get that killing a woman for just being in the Capitol, threatening no one as a small woman, is way over the top?

You're unbelievable....

 

[bawlmer]

You don't get that killing a woman for just being in the Capitol, threatening no one as a small woman, is way over the top?

You're unbelievable....

You're still repeating this nonsense. She was climbing through a smashed window into the House chamber with a gun pointed at her. Why don't you try it sometime?

 

[Ohio Guy]

What I know about you is you represent yourself as a smarmy individual I would never take seriously about anything.

''given everything we know about Trump, what makes you think he wouldn’t sell out the intel community?''

Just what exactly is that ''we' do know and please site accurate sources not your comic book collection.

“Everything we know about Trump” is well documented. Seriously, it’s not even debateble that he’s made lots of money ripping people off. Just try donating to the Trump Foundation. Or enrolling in Trump University. Or donate to his Stop The Steal fund. Or do a google search for any number of business ventures he was forced to shut down because he was essentially ripping people off.

It just doesn’t seem to that it’s out of the realm of possibility that a proven scam artist might decide to make money off highly classified documents. Put another way, nothing about the way Trump operates would make me automatically assume he isn’t capable of that.

 

[UncleMark]

You don't get that killing a woman for just being in the Capitol, threatening no one as a small woman, is way over the top?

You're unbelievable....

She breached to final perimeter between the mob and the House members. Others were right behind her. Her death was tragic, but it was brought about by her own actions.

 

[Standard Issue]

She breached to final perimeter between the mob and the House members. Others were right behind her. Her death was tragic, but it was brought about by her own actions.

The amazing thing is that she was the only one that was shot.