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Trump’s Attempt to Rig Nebraska

cosmickid said:
Speaking of Senators missing votes...

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J.D. Vance Has Missed Every Single Senate Vote Since Being Named Trump’s Vice Presidential Running Mate

Vance hasn’t cast a single vote in the Senate for the past 10 weeks.
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And why the comparison of Obama who never ran for VP to Vance? If Obama was inexperienced, wth was Trump?

The issue that should scare people (and I hope the Dems make a larger issue out of it down the stretch) is that Vance is totally unqualified, he is a single greasy Big Mac away from Trump passing on, and the odds of "Mr Fitness" surviving a 2nd term are not very high. So with the lowest favorabilty ratings in this century (if not history) at 27%, do you want JD Vance becoming your President?

Imho that is an issue the Dems need to put more emphasis on down the stretch...Esp with the rapid cognitive decline Trump is exhibiting...

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You're the one who made a big deal out of experience. I never said experience was some requirement for elected office.

Now you're arguing with yourself.
 
Ohio Guy said:
I saw that video this past weekend and almost posted it here. I feel like most Trump supporters don't see a lot of that stuff - Newsmax and Fox News likely edit Trump's speeches so a lot of those missteps or slip ups aren't regularly shown. That said, people like David Pakman ( who is a really smart guy) has been pointing that stuff out for at least the better part of the last year. I do think there is a decent-sized subset of Trump voters who don't regularly go to rallies and probably don't pay much attention to what he actually says and only hear the edited soundbytes far right media cooks up and it's important they see him for who and what he is.

As you've rightly pointed out, there is a relatively high risk that as he approaches 82 at the end of a potential second term, there is a relatively high risk that his cognitive decline and overall health would prevent him from serving a full four years. The idea of Vance assuming the role of the presidency is presumably very unpopular across the political spectrum and pretty scary for most everyone as well.
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What important votes did he miss where his vote would have made a difference?

I'll hang up and wait for your answer.
 
cosmickid said:
Why did all those segregationist, Jim Crow former Dems end up becoming Republicans? Strom Thurmond, John Connaly, Jesse Helms just to name a few?
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You named 3 and that's all you can name. All the others stayed Democrat.

Biden gave the eulogy to a Klan member, Robert Byrd. Funny you didn't mention him.
 
DANC said:
What important votes did he miss where his vote would have made a difference?

I'll hang up and wait for your answer.
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Did you reply to my post by mistake? I didn't mention anything about anyone missing votes that would have made a difference.

Maybe you should hang up and take a nap. Dial it up and try again tomorrow after getting plenty of rest and drinking lots of water.
 
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Ohio Guy said:
You're so effing weird.

I wasn't being totally facetious or glib. I actually was wondering what the eff you were talking about asking me about someone missing votes.
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You responded to a Cosmic post about Vance missing votes.

I responded to your post.
 
DANC said:
You responded to a Cosmic post about Vance missing votes.

I responded to your post.
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Cosmic made a lot of good points in the post I was responding to. I wasn't replying to the part about Vance missing votes. If you want to reply to me, you try replying to what I actually posted.
 
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Ohio Guy said:
Cosmic made a lot of good points in the post I was responding to. I wasn't replying to the part about Vance missing votes. If you want to reply to me, you try replying to what I actually posted.
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Sorry. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
 
LifelongIU77 said:
Wow...he voted for something that destroyed the black community and it's families...and you think they care about you?...it's been 60 years...how many more does it take before you can see?
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check out clay higgins another gop racists.
 
cosmickid said:
Why don't we let the evidence, testimony etc... that Jack Smith has compiled be released so we can judge for ourselves if Trump is an insurrectionist or not? It's not the jury the Trump team is worried about, it's the story the evidence reveals...And the way anyone not involved in the MAGA cult will view that evidence...

Btw after reading the transcript it's pretty obvious that Trump was referring to keeping the protestors safe, with little regard for LEOs or lawmakers. You know what might have even demonstrated more concern on Trump's part? Cancelling or changing the event to a different day when all those lawmakers would not have been concentrated in a single place. Or maybe not even planning it in the first place...

According to actual sworn testimony by Cassady Hutchinson and others, people tried in vain to convince Trump to alter his plans/change the date. And btw everyone involved in any of those scenarios that you somehow feel absolves Trump are Trump officials and appointees, including the Sec of the Army. And of course pretty sure Smith has evidence that the whole "Stop the Steal" nonsense was another major grift that Trump profited from when he actually knew that he lost...

Whatever happened to all those $$ Millions that were supposedly raised to be used to legally contest the election? Just like all the other examples of ABG (always be grifting) like shoes,watches,Bibles etc... the money all found it's way into Trump's pockets. Or his own legal troubles...

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You forgot 1 thing....Trump was worth over a billion more before he became president. Yeah....tons of $ went into his pockets....smh...dumbass
 
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cosmickid said:
Why did all those segregationist, Jim Crow former Dems end up becoming Republicans? Strom Thurmond, John Connaly, Jesse Helms just to name a few?
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Name some more. To convince me there was a move to the Republican party because of Jim Crow laws,you have to give me more than 3 over a 15 year period. So pathetic

You have 0 to stand on. Go look at major cities with democrats as mayor,and states with dems as governor. Chicago...37 people were shot during the typing of this comment. Baltimore....471 robberies during the typing of this comment. Seattle....1059 overdoses during the typing of this comment. Do you see a trend here?.....Why do you support a party,that can't govern effectively?
 
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DANC said:
You're the one who made a big deal out of experience. I never said experience was some requirement for elected office.

Now you're arguing with yourself.
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So without any relative experience,what exactly makes someone qualified to be VP/POTUS? What would you say makes Vance, or any of the other names he's previously used, qualified to be a greasy Big Mac away from the WH?

Palin was ditzy, but at least she had the relative administrative experience of being a Governor..

No idea why I'm arguing with a political genius like you. You said repeatedly that Robinson was your guy, and assuming you vote in NC I'm fairly certain you'll still vote for him....
 
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cosmickid said:
So without any relative experience,what exactly makes someone qualified to be VP/POTUS? What would you say makes Vance, or any of the other names he's previously used, qualified to be a greasy Big Mac away from the WH?

Palin was ditzy, but at least she had the relative administrative experience of being a Governor..

No idea why I'm arguing with a political genius like you. You said repeatedly that Robinson was your guy, and assuming you vote in NC I'm fairly certain you'll still vote for him....
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Are you saying experience is required, or not? Because on the one hand, you say Vance has little experience. When I point out he has as much Senate experience as Obama had, you claim experience doesn't matter.

Which is it? Did Obama have the required experience? And if he did, why are you criticizing Vance for his experience?

Of course I'll vote for Robinson. What law has he broken or done in the last decade to change my mind?
 
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DANC said:
Are you saying experience is required, or not? Because on the one hand, you say Vance has little experience. When I point out he has as much Senate experience as Obama had, you claim experience doesn't matter.

Which is it? Did Obama have the required experience? And if he did, why are you criticizing Vance for his experience?

Of course I'll vote for Robinson. What law has he broken or done in the last decade to change my mind?
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Are you ever going to quit lying? Obama was a State Senator from 1997-2004, and was a US Senator from 2004-2008. Regardless of your personal preference for JP Mandel (according to Trump) there is no way less than 2 yrs in Govt office compares with 7 yrs of political experience, at least 3 electoral campaigns and being keynote speaker for a major Party's National Convention. We get that you prefer Vance to Obama, Walz or any other Dem. But the fact remains that in terms of political experience Vance is the least qualified candidate for VP certainly in this Century, but maybe in my lifetime...

He's also the least popular VP candidate in this century, and considering Palin that says a lot. Polls show that even Republican voters aren't enamored with Vance and there's no reason they should be. He wrote a book which many in Appalachia consider demeaning, but other than that there is nothing in his resume that is particularly noteworthy for running for VP. He likely wasn't the most qualified GOP candidate in Ohio in the 2022 Senate Primary, but he won because he sucked up to Trump to get his endorsement...



I'm still curious about when and why Vance decided Trump was such a "great" POTUS. We now know that he complained about Trump being a failed populist as late as Feb 2020. And in June he characterized Trump as a loser saying he thought he would be beaten by Biden in the upcoming election...

So between Feb and June 2020 and the end of Trump's term I wonder what prompted JD to see Trump so radically differently? The only major "accomplishments" I can see for Trump after June 2020 are the development of Operation Warpspeed and the insurrection of Jan 6. So I wonder which of the 2 caused JD to revamp his opinion of Trump from a "failed populist" to "one of the greatest Presidents of my lifetime"?
 
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cosmickid said:
Are you ever going to quit lying? Obama was a State Senator from 1997-2004, and was a US Senator from 2004-2008. Regardless of your personal preference for JP Mandel (according to Trump) there is no way less than 2 yrs in Govt office compares with 7 yrs of political experience, at least 3 electoral campaigns and being keynote speaker for a major Party's National Convention. We get that you prefer Vance to Obama, Walz or any other Dem. But the fact remains that in terms of political experience Vance is the least qualified candidate for VP certainly in this Century, but maybe in my lifetime...

He's also the least popular VP candidate in this century, and considering Palin that says a lot. Polls show that even Republican voters aren't enamored with Vance and there's no reason they should be. He wrote a book which many in Appalachia consider demeaning, but other than that there is nothing in his resume that is particularly noteworthy for running for VP. He likely wasn't the most qualified GOP candidate in Ohio in the 2022 Senate Primary, but he won because he sucked up to Trump to get his endorsement...

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I'm still curious about when and why Vance decided Trump was such a "great" POTUS. We now know that he complained about Trump being a failed populist as late as Feb 2020. And in June he characterized Trump as a loser saying he thought he would be beaten by Biden in the upcoming election...

So between Feb and June 2020 and the end of Trump's term I wonder what prompted JD to see Trump so radically differently? The only major "accomplishments" I can see for Trump after June 2020 are the development of Operation Warpspeed and the insurrection of Jan 6. So I wonder which of the 2 caused JD to revamp his opinion of Trump from a "failed populist" to "one of the greatest Presidents of my lifetime"?
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I hope you watched the debate tonight. Vance proved he's more than qualified to not only be VP, he will be a shoo-in for the Presidency in 2028.

He made mincemeat of Walz, who didn't do a bad job, but looked like a total lightweight against Vance and was caught lying by CBS!
 
Ohio Guy said:
I saw that video this past weekend and almost posted it here. I feel like most Trump supporters don't see a lot of that stuff - Newsmax and Fox News likely edit Trump's speeches so a lot of those missteps or slip ups aren't regularly shown. That said, people like David Pakman ( who is a really smart guy) has been pointing that stuff out for at least the better part of the last year. I do think there is a decent-sized subset of Trump voters who don't regularly go to rallies and probably don't pay much attention to what he actually says and only hear the edited soundbytes far right media cooks up and it's important they see him for who and what he is.

As you've rightly pointed out, there is a relatively high risk that as he approaches 82 at the end of a potential second term, there is a relatively high risk that his cognitive decline and overall health would prevent him from serving a full four years. The idea of Vance assuming the role of the presidency is presumably very unpopular across the political spectrum and pretty scary for most everyone as well.
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Vance wasn’t scary at all tonight. In fact he showed he’s the best choice of the four.
 
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I hope you watched the debate tonight. Vance proved he's more than qualified to not only be VP, he will be a shoo-in for the Presidency in 2028.

He made mincemeat of Walz, who didn't do a bad job, but looked like a total lightweight against Vance and was caught lying by CBS!
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Not sure what having good "debate skills" has to do with being qualified to be POTUS or VP? The more people prasie Vance's performance, the more tension it will cause between Trump/Vance so that will be fun to watch. I don't care about '28 because most likely I won't be around. Vance didn't do anything to alter the election in '24 which is all I care about.

Explain to me how Walz "lying" about the month he was in China during that summer damages his credibility when the opponent is liar extraordinare Donald Trump? Which voters are going to be turned off by that issue, all the folks who blissfully ignore Trump's daily lies?Just Mon Trump, during his visit to GA which tied up resources and made things more cumbersome for the ongoing rescue efforts, lied and said Gov Kemp hadn't been able to speak with Biden. Implication being Biden didn't care about GA...

But Kemp himself exposed that lie when he said that he had spoken to Biden on Sunday and that Biden had been very helpful. So where did Trump get the idea that Biden and Kemp hadn't spoken? Clearly not from Kemp...Maybe his own addled brain? Or maybe just another lie which Trump creates willy nilly...

So what is Trump going to run on -my opponent is a liar? The Dems will run adds of Vance saying that Trump tried to "rescue the ACA" and that he (Vance) had never supported a nationwide abortion ban, juxtaposed with examples proving both those claims are lies.

That will hurt the Pubs with some voters becuase it will not only further expose Vance/Trump as liars, but will defeat their purpose in lying in the first place. Why would Vance claim he doesn't favor a nationwide ban, when he clearly does? Because he knows it's a horribly unpopular position that will cost his team votes...

I've seen some speculation that Vance made a concerted effort to try and soften his own image because he is ambitious and wants to insure he has a place in GOP politics after Trump loses. Makes sense and in that regard he brought his unfavorables down significantly from their record highs. But Walz increased his favorability ratings as well, and he already was the most likable of the 4 candidates...

Maybe Mark Robinson should do some debate prep with JD? Ol' Mark is about to become the Mastriano of NC politics, although I'm sure there will still be plenty of opportunities for him on the wingnut Grift circuit...
 
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cosmickid said:
Explain to me how Walz "lying" about the month he was in China during that summer damages his credibility when the opponent is liar extraordinare Donald Trump? Which voters are going to be turned off by that issue,
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I don't have to explain it - even the media is saying he lied and are claiming it damaged him. Ask them.
 
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