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WSJ argues an interesting point:

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt says they’ve “enabled illegal drugs to pour into America.” But drugs have flowed into the U.S. for decades, and will continue to do so as long as Americans keep using them. Neither country can stop it.

Drugs are a problem that kills people, inhibits good education, causes homelessness, and disqualifies many from good well-paying jobs. There are a number of ways to approach the problem, one of which is to cut the supply at the border. Mexico and its cartels, are an obvious conduit about which the Mexican government does little. Canada is more ambiguous. In no case can we or anybody ever stop it. All we can do is make availability more difficult and more expensive. I think that will help. But I’m not convinced tariffs are the best way to apply the pressure. I think there are more effective ways through embassys and diplomatic relationships to call attention to the problem and deal with it. One thing I do know is the WSJ, argument is nuts. Canada and Mexico can do more.
You think it's "nuts" to think that neither the US or Mexico can stop the flow of drugs into the US? Can you name a free country that has stopped the drug flow into their borders?
 
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There will definitely be pain. Hell…there was pain my household trying to pay for a mortgage and 2 automobile payments. Had to withstand the pain but have now been debt free for a decade+.
For the last four years, the pain caused by high prices on low income families was evil. Now, the increased pain under Donny is for the good of the country.
 
Who said it was good? It’s just an acknowledgment that when one is in debt there will be pain.

Damn….you have it bad with regards to Donny
Every buck stops with him. I think my "having it bad" pales in comparison to the last 4 years of DANC, stoll, dmb, Joe, Jet, Farva and others. I'm sure you pointed that out to them on occasion.

I guess the moral outrage from the MAGAs died down when Donny causes the financial pain.
 
There will definitely be pain. Hell…there was pain my household trying to pay for a mortgage and 2 automobile payments. Had to withstand the pain but have now been debt free for a decade+.

Why do we insist on having to learn the same lessons the hard way over and over again?

There is nothing to be gained from a trade war. Not in the short term, not in the long term. There is nothing but bloodletting.

Sure, we’ll hurt adversaries like China. But we’ll also hurt allies like Canada, UK, and Mexico. Most importantly, we’ll hurt ourselves.

And for what?

There are things Trump does or wants to do that I’ll support and defend. But this is just an awful idea all the way around.
 
There will definitely be pain. Hell…there was pain my household trying to pay for a mortgage and 2 automobile payments. Had to withstand the pain but have now been debt free for a decade+.
I’m definitely excited to see him gut the gov and do some radical restructuring. See where the money is going etc. This may be the fundamental change we desperately needed. But if it’s a bust it’s a good thing he’s old bc he’ll be the most hated man in the country. What people voted for was very plain. Close the border and reduce everyday prices. No one gave a shit about the but the economy but the jobs. Prices. That was the issue people cared about. They didn’t vote for all this
 
Every buck stops with him. I think my "having it bad" pales in comparison to the last 4 years of DANC, stoll, dmb, Joe, Jet, Farva and others. I'm sure you pointed that out to them on occasion.

I guess the moral outrage from the MAGAs died down when Donny causes the financial pain.
Two weeks in, the unwavering support for Trump from the usual suspects is becoming more and more muted.
 
Tariffs had impacts. A study that says:

Therefore, the full incidence of the tariffs has fallen on domestic consumers and importers so far, and our estimates imply a reduction in aggregate US real income of $1.4 billion per month by the end of 2018.​

Here is CATO:

"A study published in fall 2019 in the Journal of Economic Perspectives found that by December 2018, Trump's tariffs resulted in a reduction in aggregate U.S. real income of $1.4 billion per month in deadweight losses, and cost U.S. consumers an additional $3.2 billion per month in added tax.[24] The study's authors noted that these were conservative measures of the losses from the tariffs, because they did not take account of the tariffs' effects in reducing the variety of products available to consumers, or the tariff-related costs attributable to policy uncertainty or the fixed costs incurred by companies to reorganize their global supply chains.[24] A study by Federal Reserve Board economists found that the tariffs reduced employment in the American manufacturing sector.[206][207]"

 
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Why do we insist on having to learn the same lessons the hard way over and over again?

There is nothing to be gained from a trade war. Not in the short term, not in the long term. There is nothing but bloodletting.

Sure, we’ll hurt adversaries like China. But we’ll also hurt allies like Canada, UK, and Mexico. Most importantly, we’ll hurt ourselves.

And for what?

There are things Trump does or wants to do that I’ll support and defend. But this is just an awful idea all the way around.
I don’t think any of it will work or actually be implemented for any real amount of time. They will be bored soon and we will go back to the think tanks and lobbyists running the government.

It is interesting to see how quickly we hate government “cuts” when it goes from a talking point to possible action…even if it’s in theory only
 
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Every buck stops with him. I think my "having it bad" pales in comparison to the last 4 years of DANC, stoll, dmb, Joe, Jet, Farva and others. I'm sure you pointed that out to them on occasion.

I guess the moral outrage from the MAGAs died down when Donny causes the financial pain.
I think many of those that voted for him will be fairly patient with Trump & inflation, prices, etc. so long as he keeps making folks like you cry for the next 4 years. 😁
 
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Every buck stops with him. I think my "having it bad" pales in comparison to the last 4 years of DANC, stoll, dmb, Joe, Jet, Farva and others. I'm sure you pointed that out to them on occasion.

I guess the moral outrage from the MAGAs died down when Donny causes the financial pain.
Don’t get me wrong. I think tariffs are generally stupid. But I’ll eat my hat if Trump tariffs the country into an affordability crisis. Just not gonna happen. He’s responsive to the will of the people.

He’s not an ideologue like the idiots we had the last four years.
 
Joe’s policies fcked low income families years ago. At least now it comes with some good…
What good you moron? Joe was strong on every front other than inflation. If you did not make a killing on your investments the last 4 years you are a lousy investor.

But now suddenly people need to be patient? This train is coming off the tracks.
 
The cuts or tax increases haven’t even happened and people are freaking out.
I think some people believed you could cut government spending without job loss on the other side.

It’s no different than when people would shout “why do you want to kill grandma!?!?”
whenever the idea of restructuring SS and Medicare comes up.
 
Don’t get me wrong. I think tariffs are generally stupid. But I’ll eat my hat if Trump tariffs the country into an affordability crisis. Just not gonna happen. He’s responsive to the will of the people.

He’s not an ideologue like the idiots we had the last four years.
They’ll lower rates to zero and fire up the printer before that happens.

 
You think it's "nuts" to think that neither the US or Mexico can stop the flow of drugs into the US? Can you name a free country that has stopped the drug flow into their borders?
I don’t think it can ever be stopped. We an only make trafficing more difficult and costly. Learned that in books and movies. ;)
 
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There's The solution... Start drinking heavily...

Besides..., all those MRE's sold with 2018 Inspect By dates are about to expire in the next two years so you might as well stay out of the grocery for about 20 months and choke that crap down (you will probably want to load up on stool softener next week though, along with anything else you just can't bear to do without 🦅)...

You can re-hoard your stash after this is all over... 😉

So there's a workable plan: stay in a semi-drunken stupor and eat your Emergency Food...

You're Welcome...

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Then what is nuts about the WSJ editorial?
My reading of the editorial excerpt available shows the writer sees only a binary choice, stop drugs or nothing. Since you can’t stop them forgettaboutit. As I mentioned in my post, I think Canada can do more to interrupt the drug flow.
 
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What good again is putting tariffs on Canada?
It's a way to put steep new taxes on consumers, while claiming you're not doing that.

We have a stealth old fashioned tax-and-spend Democrat in office, albeit one with a dictator complex.
 
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I don’t know. But the north border pressure will increase as we continue to ramp up closing the south.

You're fooling yourself if you think we're placing tariffs on Canada because 40 pounds of fentanyl wasn't caught coming from Canada. 40 pounds can be carried in a single backpack.


He's in his feels because Canada won't bend the knee to him. Now he's talking about placing tariffs on the EU. Why exactly?

He's going to turn the whole world against us before all is said and done.
 
Perhaps. In some cases the corporations and importers absorb them. In any case there is no free lunch and there is a limit to how much we can borrow to pay for lunch.
Look, these tariffs are untargeted and stupid. We should be able to acknowledge that not everything our President does is smart or needed. This is neither, and it's in violation of the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) which was one of his good accomplishments in his first term. What in the Wide World of Sports is he thinking?

 
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