Three thousand, six hundred casualties per day...
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If I did or didn't is irrelevant. This posting is unbelievable on it's face, and then we we do dig into it, you have totally misrepresented the info. It's not about today, it's about a maybe, potentially, possibly in the future. You know damn well that this is not how the "Special Ukraine defends themselves operation" is going. Totally quite the opposite in fact (Although even the orcx aren't loosing 3,500 people a day. (8-11% of that actually). .
I don’t know. What makes you think they don’t? I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the Russians aren’t their favorite people.
The Israelis are also pretty damn effective at a little dark work.
What is faulty, has Russian conquered a nation 1/6th its size in 18 months? Was Russia doing so badly that one of their commanders began a coup, and was murdered for it.
That’s very dumb. You’re posting nonsense and you’ve been called out for it. You should stop. You don’t need to make yourself look more foolish - you’ve pegged the meter.
Listen sir. I honestly thought that you were a blood born American, but the pro Russia stuff you bring is totally impossible just on the raw data. You hate America MIC, I'm there with you all day because they own our politicians.
But your data is junk. total junk and beyond junk, in a hypothetical made up world bro. It's like a white paper on how to make females not insane. impossible.
So you don't bother to spend ten minutes looking at multiple source materials, but you know the answers to ALL the questions.
You are a good 'progressive' after all.
Is there any chance that you are a drinking man? I get a sense of two totally separate personalities.
I only ask this because most of my best work here is inspired via a russian distillary of potatos.
You know that question is silly. I feel that I am actually on your side, but this stuff you've been bringing is really, simply impossible, as real time, today intel.
I feel you are converging future simulated assumptions, to todays real intel. Or I am jut totally missing on everything. ???
One little side step in the convo.
Do you think that Pootin actually planned a total occupation of Ukraine? I'm more inclined that he had test 1 (take Kyiv in 3 days) and when that was a cluster pluck, plan /B was to use the time to dig in, south and east and ride it out for 3-6-9 years. until the next push.
WE (the world) have to empty that country. make it devoid of it's Orcx, blood line, mentality and yachts. Now is the next step of breakup of USSR. They are weak and getting weaker.
See, you had me until the IPA. That is why you are a bitter man assuming false data. IPA isn't even good to kill gNats.
I know Joe. He doesn't let anyone speak for him and he's the furthest thing from a company man you can imagine.
It was a joke.
Where were you when I was told I was worse than a cancer, that I should bleed and slowly die?
Just like the GOP, they're starting to eat themselves from the inside.
Not at all, Dank.
I didn't complain when it happened, Dank. Just pointing out Ty's self-righteousness, Dank.
Is that bloom after a burnt Souffle? in his safe shower? with a moist cloth? I thought so.
He's such a fkn clown. Reads Russian propaganda substacks written by "people" that won't even put their own name on their work, hiding behind pseudonyms.....then regurgitates it on like it's sourced facts.
The only way the Russians would "win" is by making sure everyone loses. If their nuclear arsenal was still in repair that would be a danger to NATO. Their conventional forces would get rolled. They can't deal with a mostly earthbound foe at the moment, an enemy able to bring combined arms onto the battlefield would run them off that field.
That's why we don't want NATO facing off against the Russians over this. Their only move is to go nuclear.
I truly empathize with the Russians as on more than one occasion that’s been my only move. And I hit the button. Lasting damage. Years and years. So without being a military strategist, save shepherding the small but rugged militia I’ve built here, someone needs to build an exit ramp for Russia that saves just enough face to eventually exit all of this mess
I have spent more than 5 seconds thinking about it and I think it is either they go nuclear or they accept total defeat. NATO has pushed through most of the tough terrain by adding countries since the Soviets fell. A whole bunch of the ground between where NATO ends and where Russia begins is open plains. They've burned through their modern equipment and the past 30 years has been a display of what the US/NATO can do on open ground.
The Ukrainians have to send people to clear out those Russian trenches. The NATO powers would just blow a hole in them and drive through. And once you have breached it becomes a race for Moscow. Look how quickly Prighozin was able to move when he turned his forces to Moscow. The Russians aren't equipped to slow an advance like that.
So if you are sitting in Moscow, your front lines are breached, and you have visions of getting Saddamed or Quadaffid in your head, what is your call? I think the rational response is to deploy a tactical size nuke to some Ukrainian city to try and force NATO to the negotiating table. A little less rational is to go out with a bang. What isn't an option is thinking you can bleed them out. Not conventionally. I suppose you could disband the government, cross the Urals and try and go insurgent but I don't see these billionaires in Russia being interested in that life.
Len is really a modern miracle.
Who else could bring @TheOriginalHappyGoat , @Aloha Hoosier , @Marvin the Martian , @twenty02 , @DANC , @Bloom. , @Joe_Hoopsier , @UncleMark , @IUCrazy2 , @BCCHoosier , @larsIU , @Univee2 , @Standard Issue , @82hoosier , and @Harry Hondo together in agreement with their stupidity?
Is the greatest irony that he's quoting someone who goes by the moniker Simplicius the Thinker?
A toast to Len...for bringing all of us together in common cause to point at his posts and shake our collective heads.
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His. 😉Len is really a modern miracle.
Who else could bring @TheOriginalHappyGoat , @Aloha Hoosier , @Marvin the Martian , @twenty02 , @DANC , @Bloom. , @Joe_Hoopsier , @UncleMark , @IUCrazy2 , @BCCHoosier , @larsIU , @Univee2 , @Standard Issue , @82hoosier , and @Harry Hondo together in agreement with their stupidity?
Is the greatest irony that he's quoting someone who goes by the moniker Simplicius the Thinker?
A toast to Len...for bringing all of us together in common cause to point at your posts and shake our collective heads.
You don't know anything about what I read, or where
The War College link was posted by Marvin.
Get someone to read it to you.
I read it, Mas. Are you lying about reading it, or are you lying about what it says? You have to be lying about one of them.
Don't worry...it wasn't a woke thing...it was a correct English thing.
I've proposed this before, but an exit ramp could be to remove all Russian troops from Crimea and all other occupied Ukrainian territories and a guarantee from NATO that those areas would be demilitarized (assuming Ukraine would be admitted into NATO - which they'd go for in a hot second).
Make some guarantees that the Russian supporters in those areas will not be tried as collaborators. Put UN forces in there to keep the peace.
We'd have to guarantee we wouldn't put Putin on trial for war crimes. He could then retire to his dacha with his private security force, which he can well afford, if he wants. If not, let his own people deal with him. Hell, give him a place in Switzerland.
There are plenty of options to create an end to this without a nuclear strike.
You misunderstood, I think the only off ramp if/when NATO forces are involved is most likely nuclear. There are a whole host of options if NATO boots aren't on the ground actively fighting Russians.
Mixing singular and plural causes confusion. Spare me the “they, them and their can be singular” stuff. I’ve heard it and know that’s not what was taught in high school, college or grad school. Certainly not taught in any of my military training where orders and instructions must be precise. Imagine the order to kill Bin Laden said, “you may find him, Osama Bin Laden, with family including children, kill them.”Don't worry...it wasn't a woke thing...it was a correct English thing.
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