This is a good idea

[hoot1]

I have friends who do that. Then the shitty city immediately starts citing them for shit. Got out of it. Let it rot

Good point, these empty homes often attract construction handyman who very well may have helped rental landlords along with unhouseable tenants ruin the home in the first place.

Also doesn't take long for an empty house to deteriorate beyond repair.

City inspectors and their building codes can be a problem, especially for under funded investors and their handyman who just think they know what they are doing.

Having said all that, In many ways it is easier to build a home than it is to restore one. On the other hand, the high cost of new homes is making restoration of older homes more reasonable than was once the case.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Good point, these empty homes often attract construction handyman who very well may have helped rental landlords along with unhouseable tenants ruin the home in the first place.

Also doesn't take long for an empty house to deteriorate beyond repair.

City inspectors and their building codes can be a problem, especially for under funded investors and their handyman who just think they know what they are doing.

Having said all that, In many ways it is easier to build a home than it is to restore one. On the other hand, the high cost of new homes is making restoration of older homes more reasonable than was once the case.

And there’s no margin in 3/2 1500 Sq ft homes

 

[BradStevens]

I think there’s much to be said for breadth of knowledge, exposure etc. but it has to make financial sense and shouldn’t be subsidized. Biden’s free cheese forgiveness is an insult to millions who chose a different path

I'm OK with higher education being subsidized. Just not the way we do it now.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I'm OK with higher education being subsidized. Just not the way we do it now.

Fla 11 in state schools $6,300 a year

 

[BradStevens]

Appointed jobs are rewards for being a party hack, not merit. So there is no real difference between hiring someone for being a good (fill in race/gender/religion) than there is hiring someone for being a member of one of the two parties.

Well, no difference other than the 14th Amendment.

 

[BradStevens]

Fla 11 in state schools $6,300 a year

Bingo.

It can be done.

 

[BradStevens]

And there’s no margin in 3/2 1500 Sq ft homes

Maybe there's a way . . .

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Disagree that view is the reason we're in this position. It has many, many causes. One of them is our insistence in high school of pushing kids into college who are only going because they think it helps them get a job and believe they'll be "lesser" people if they don't have a college degree.

There are many more causes, too, that are much more influential than a view of education as a value in and of itself.

OK, I’ll go with the primary reason. It’s an unrealistic view. Sounds good on a Hallmark card, but doesn’t sound so good when the bill comes due and the income isn’t sufficient to pay it.

What we have right now is unsustainable. I can’t say exactly how it will manifest. But I do know that we can’t just keep up making bad investments without costly ramifications.

Again, I wouldn’t want to underwrite the loan of somebody who took this view of education. Because the odds seem awfully high I wouldn’t be paid back.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Bingo.

It can be done.

I’m sure that’s highly subsidized. Shifting the burden doesn’t turn a bad investment into a good investment.

Wish it did.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I disagree that law school is worth it. The fact that there are so many more law degrees than there are lawyers I think backs me up.

You’d know better than I would.

 

[Willdog7]

She'll also throw in 25K for a down payment on an inflated home that holders of useless degrees and mounds of debt still can't afford.

Just more pandering with no plan publicly put on display.

That said, I'm sure there are jobs in the federal gov that don't require advanced degrees or any degree in some cases.

What is your group offering to help the middle class? deportment, going to jail, sending the National Guard or military. The gop offers nothing.

 

[BradStevens]

OK, I’ll go with the primary reason. It’s an unrealistic view. Sounds good on a Hallmark card, but doesn’t sound so good when the bill comes due and the income isn’t sufficient to pay it.

Aren't you religious? If so, I find these criticisms a little odd. Many of Jesus's teaching and Christian morality also "sound good on a Hallmark card," and are unrealistic w/r/t human nature. Yet billions think they bring them a better life, even if their belief and the time invested yield zero income (if you really believe, it should probably cost you money, no?).

Many (all?) of the best things in life have no relation to money, and, if we are only measuring that way, are downright irrational.

I'm sure glad Newton, Einstein, et al. didn't think they only reason they should learn was to make money. What a horrible world we'd live in right now.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Aren't you religious? If so, I find these criticisms a little odd. Many of Jesus's teaching and Christian morality also "sound good on a Hallmark card," and are unrealistic w/r/t human nature. Yet billions think they bring them a better life, even if their belief and the time invested yield zero income (if you really believe, it should probably cost you money, no?).

Many (all?) of the best things in life have no relation to money, and, if we are only measuring that way, are downright irrational.

I'm sure glad Newton, Einstein, et al. didn't think they only reason they should learn was to make money. What a horrible world we'd live in right now.

I’m sorry to always have to be the bad guy. I get it. As I said, there was a time when I’d have agreed entirely with you. But the cost has gone up, the value has gone down….and one way or another ends have to be met.

I’m completely open to ideas on how to do that. But if the idea is to shift the burden of bad investments from the individual students and onto taxpayers, it’s a non-starter with me. That doesn’t fix the problem.

If we changed the way we lent money the way I think we should, it would force colleges to either price their individual programs rationally to meet those levels, or else get rid of programs that can’t make ends meet with those funding levels.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Aren't you religious? If so, I find these criticisms a little odd. Many of Jesus's teaching and Christian morality also "sound good on a Hallmark card," and are unrealistic w/r/t human nature. Yet billions think they bring them a better life, even if their belief and the time invested yield zero income (if you really believe, it should probably cost you money, no?).

Many (all?) of the best things in life have no relation to money, and, if we are only measuring that way, are downright irrational.

I'm sure glad Newton, Einstein, et al. didn't think they only reason they should learn was to make money. What a horrible world we'd live in right now.

Not just scientists, our founders learned philosophy, they studied science, they learned foreign languages, heck, they learned ballroom dance.

Generally speaking today we want trade schools. I think we miss a well rounded education.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Not just scientists, our founders learned philosophy, they studied science, they learned foreign languages, heck, they learned ballroom dance.

Generally speaking today we want trade schools. I think we miss a well rounded education.

the reckoning is coming

 

[BradStevens]

Not just scientists, our founders learned philosophy, they studied science, they learned foreign languages, heck, they learned ballroom dance.

Generally speaking today we want trade schools. I think we miss a well rounded education.

I picked the area I thought @crazed_hoosier2 would have to agree was useful. I agree with you on those others.

He and I aren’t far apart, though, if at all. I’m just pushing back at some of his broader statements that I think could use a qualifier or two.

The cost has made it very difficult for someone to use college the way it was intended. It’s a super important issue we need to address in this country, but neither party seems interested.

 

[hookyIU1990]

What is your group offering to help the middle class? deportment, going to jail, sending the National Guard or military. The gop offers nothing.

Fųck off Lucy

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I picked the area I thought @crazed_hoosier2 would have to agree was useful. I agree with you on those others.

He and I aren’t far apart, though, if at all. I’m just pushing back at some of his broader statements that I think could use a qualifier or two.

The cost has made it very difficult for someone to use college the way it was intended. It’s a super important issue we need to address in this country, but neither party seems interested.

The first thing you do when you find yourself in a hole is stop digging. You aren’t going to find your way out if you don’t do that.

But there’s no urgency, because the money is currently going into the black fiscal hole that all our bad money goes to. The fixes won’t be popular or pleasant - same as with entitlements. So of course politicians don’t want to touch it.

 

[mcmurtry66]

It’s a super important issue we need to address in this country, but neither party seems interested.

education costs
healthcare system
health (rfk jr)
insurance

less popular stuff but a drag on people. look at sope fing with that mess. absolutely absurd for him to be dealing with that bullshit

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I picked the area I thought @crazed_hoosier2 would have to agree was useful. I agree with you on those others.

He and I aren’t far apart, though, if at all. I’m just pushing back at some of his broader statements that I think could use a qualifier or two.

The cost has made it very difficult for someone to use college the way it was intended. It’s a super important issue we need to address in this country, but neither party seems interested.

I agree it is a problem, hence why I liked the report education has been getting cheaper. My complaint is more that I agree with the well rounded education over living in business or engineering and never seeing a language or philosophy.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I agree it is a problem, hence why I liked the report education has been getting cheaper. My complaint is more that I agree with the well rounded education over living in business or engineering and never seeing a language or philosophy.

i already know what i'm doing marv. my daughter goes to mizzou she can study anything she wants. god forbid she goes to MO State same holds true. she goes out of state or private i get a say in what she studies. i'm not paying a fortune for soft sciences. sucks but reality with these costs. fortunately i'll only have one going through college at a time

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I agree it is a problem, hence why I liked the report education has been getting cheaper. My complaint is more that I agree with the well rounded education over living in business or engineering and never seeing a language or philosophy.

Hold on, I never said that. I’m talking about the degrees people walk away with when they’re done — and the income people can expect to earn by having those degrees, relative to the cost to obtain them.

Of course people can (and should!) take worthy electives. But the cost of any particular degree should absolutely bear some rational relationship to the value (and I do mean monetary value) of having it.

This is a problem. And we have to address it…sooner rather than later. I’ve given one idea on how to do this, but I’m always in the market for other ones.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I agree it is a problem, hence why I liked the report education has been getting cheaper. My complaint is more that I agree with the well rounded education over living in business or engineering and never seeing a language or philosophy.

One other thing: knowing a foreign language is a terrific life skill that can very much be of real value.

But it’s also a great example of something that no longer requires (if it ever did) a college education to learn.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Hold on, I never said that. I’m talking about the degrees people walk away with when they’re done — and the income people can expect to earn by having those degrees, relative to the cost to obtain them.

Of course people can (and should!) take worthy electives. But the cost of any particular degree should absolutely bear some rational relationship to the value (and I do mean monetary value) of having it.

This is a problem. And we have to address it…sooner rather than later. I’ve given one idea on how to do this, but I’m always in the market for other ones.

Washington University for an MSW to make $32k at United Way. And no. Nothing in social work requires a master's

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

Washington University for an MSW to make $32k at United Way. And no. Nothing in social work requires a master's

Wash U is a communist indoctrination camp.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Wash U is a communist indoctrination camp.

🤣🤣🤣

 

[BradStevens]

i already know what i'm doing marv. my daughter goes to mizzou she can study anything she wants. god forbid she goes to MO State same holds true. she goes out of state or private i get a say in what she studies. i'm not paying a fortune for soft sciences. sucks but reality with these costs. fortunately i'll only have one going through college at a time

But will she be interested in or good at what you find useful? What if the answer is no?

 

[mcmurtry66]

But will she be interested in or good at what you find useful? What if the answer is no?

Then she can go in state

 

[BradStevens]

Then she can go in state

By the way, one of these jobs that requires a 4 year degree? Elementary school teacher.

I have a hard time understanding going $200k + in debt to do that. And yet . . .