That story screams for another explanation: that your work right before law school to rework your paper improved your writing ability.
What did you major in during undergrad?
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What did you major in during undergrad?
I have never seen that movie. I need to add it to the list.
We'll see what FASFA says and what scholarships she gets.
Her thinking is there's always going to be a need for teachers. I can't argue with her on that point.
Teachers are in need and so important. But this a field crazed notes as needing people to be rational. You can’t go to some private college and ring up a quarter mil in debt. In state. Sadly if broke maybe commute
She's looking at two schools, both private.
One she can stay home, the other she'd have to room there. It was about a 10k difference from the numbers they gave.
She's leaning (at least she says) to the school to stay home. She can still keep her job and work while going to school that way.
I told her she can come work with me... that didn't go over well. 🤣
It’s tough. It’s a shame we’ve gotten to this point. Fwiw, which is nothing, I firmly believe the kids who stay at home and get jobs have a much harder time ever graduating. I’m insisting my daughter go away
I would rather her go away for school as well... I think it would be good to experience living on her own with people not her family.
It's not going to matter though if she goes away or not, she's gonna want to work. She's had a job since she was 14 so she's use to balancing work and school.
So you got me thinking. I just looked it up. A kid could get a degree here for $25k. Could be a social worker, a writer, a teacher, anything without fear of debt. But it wouldn’t be fun. Two years of junior college then two years at the university of Missouri St. Louis
Poli-sci/Econ.
I also married my stoker in the meantime. I think that is a better explanation.
I think in some aspects we agree more than you realize. You mentioned that college isn't needed to lean a language, very true. Some day I will learn Klingon from Duolingo to prove the point.
I said earlier I believe the value of the degree is far more showing the willingness to spend years working, proving one has the desire to better oneself. Something I failed at at 18. That is the gatekeeper.
That and looking at transcripts shows one has taken and passed ASL (as a language example). Most employers don't want to devise a test to prove fluency in a language. They don't want to grade a paper to show an employee knows how to write. They don't want to administer a math test to show they know how to do math, or grade code to show they really know how to code. Looking at a transcript showing all that is far easier and less time consuming. That's the role university is providing.
So I am not sure why we would discount a degree in religious studies, philosophy, geography. We do, but why? Those have math requirements, language requirements, public speaking and writing requirements. All necessary for most modern jobs. Most people I know with a business degree state right up front they didn't learn anything that really made them superior. So, why do we value them more?
Now clearly if I were hiring someone to design bridges, I would want someone with an engineering degree. But I also know the way we overvalue degrees. After my year at the IRS, I was 6th in their rating system. Once tax season ended, they kept the top 5. Since points were given for having a degree, and I was the highest scoring non-degree, I am fairly confident that lack of a degree cost me. On the other hand, it worked out because I much prefer where I have been and what I have been doing for the last 35+ years over the IRS. And that worked out because in the late 80s we needed more IT people than we had people with degrees in IT. "Can you program Dbase III+ and can you replace RAM in a computer" was pretty much the job interview. And some were lucky, my roommates were Comp Sci majors and they were in desperate demand. They proved Gladwell's point that people like Gates were really lucky in one way, born a year or two earlier and they wouldn't have been in computers and born a year or two later and someone else would have already made their contribution.
Another non-fun option is Western Governors. I am not sure how it works for teaching. But in IT classes, one earns various IT certificates in the program. So one can move up career-wise even before graduating. Basically if one takes a course on computer security, the final is passing the CompTIA Security certificate exam.
She's not considering a school less then 50k a year, and those are in state.
That doesn't include a meal plan, room and board, ect.
I'd punch my own mother on the nose for her to get a 25k degree.
Smart girl, given your history with employees.
Been a boss, wasn't for me.
Haven't talked to my boss outside of a passing good morning in a month.
I've got it pretty good.
While that seems to be the common talking point.... The college debt issue isn't really the result of a degree not paying off.... But rather the fact that something like 40% of people with college debt never graduated.
The wage gap between a high school degree and a college degree is higher today than it was 30 years ago.
That just doesn’t make sense brother. If you’re going to be a twenty or jdb fine. Learn that things are robust. But not education
I can make recommendations, but she's an adult and will make decisions she thinks is best for her, no matter if I agree or not.
I just have to hope we've done a good enough job that she thinks through what she wants to do and weights the pros and cons.
So this is where I think crazed comments come to play. What is the benefit that those 50k schools might provide someone studying education that an Indiana State, Ball State, etc. would not?
St Francis, in Fort Wayne, was a little over 50k a year (going off last year's numbers).
Indiana Wesleyan was like 65k when you figured in room and board (again, off last year's numbers).
She doesn't want to go to a big school... she doesn't want to get lost in the shuffle.
The schools she's looking at have classes no bigger then 20-25 for the most part. I think there is value in that kind of environment, personally.
That's the sticker price or what she would actually pay after FAFSA, etc....?
I think you better get her a rivals account and tell her to spend a few days on here, attending CoH University. It's free and she might see things in a different light.
Hell, if she plays her cards right, she might get a Dream Team invitation.
If I had more backup in the house, I would certainly give it a try.
With wife in menopause, middle kid worry about college and youngest starting puberty, I'm just trying to not get stabbed while I sleep.
Sticker.
FASFA isn't open until like middle December, plus any scholarships she may get (not really counting on a lot there - she's my ds get degrees kid).
There most definitely is value in that. But now she has to place a monetary value on that.
By the way, if you put in some work, you can find many classes outside freshman year (some in it) that are smaller at big unis. At least you could back in the early '90s.
Craze, as you know, government spending whether it is mandated (as in entitlements) or is discretionary that it does not go down a hole. It ends up back into the economy where it is spent, saved, or invested.
The political question before us is always about the size of government spending and what the spending should consist of. In addition how and what does the government do to raise the revenues necessary to cover the spending without deficits.
Finally if there are deficits, do we just accumulate them ? The final question being, for how long and how much do we allow deficits to accumulate ?
The answer to this question continues to this day to be unresolved.
Ah... Yeah. Guess you need to actually wait and see what your true cost to attend would be.
That is one thing the sticker price doesn't cover. The overachievers get all sorts of scholarships. The poor get all sorts of aid. The students who are pretty good but not great from a slightly above-average income are the ones really hurt.
I wanna get back to what it even means to be “educated”. A specific discipline is of course import for some jobs, like engineering. But I think there is more to it that allows a person to excel within a discipline. I’ve worked around lawyers for decades and even though I think a legal education is a great education, not everyone walks away with the same skills and abilities. I think a purpose of education that applies to all disciplines are things like independence, resourcefulness. Problem solving, creativity, confidence, communication, people skills entrepreneurship; stuff like that. Any college education costing thousands of dollars should improve these kinds of abilities.
Get a back bone. I told my daughter to stop crying last night. Her response? She cried harder. I then told her to go in the other room if she can't stop herself because I don't want to hear it. I ain't scared 😁
Oh you want to play that game bitch. I’ll see your girl in puberty and raise you one toddler and two exes
But we're doing it all wrong, hoot1. Our current federal government subsidies drive up the cost of college, while making students and their families bear the brunt of that cost. At the same time, state's have cut funding to their state universities across the country, funding that goes directly to operations, which keeps tuition costs down. So we've made college more expensive via state inaction, and are throwing more dollars at it through federal action.
This is one area, too, where it appears allowing the consumer to make choices does not drive down costs (contra arguments re healthcare, for example). Of course, that shouldn't be surprising given we are now making people decide one of the biggest financial decisions of their lifetimes at the age of 17 or 18.
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Either you mistyped or I misread this, as it would appear we agree which would be impossible.
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