The Serious Election Day Thread

[Marvin the Martian]

I believe in incrementalism, which is why I've always shied away from Bernie. I do believe MFA (or some variant of single payor) is the future b/c it's more efficient and easier to manage. Yes, the health care industry's ox gets gored. But I think the Dems could craft a message around single payor which would resonate with many people. And minimum wage, union, etc. But they might be too far in the pockets of the billionaire club to do it now.

Agree on the wedge issues. Let the states decide them. Including, gasp, abortion (they had 50 ****ing years to codify it and failed. That's on the Dems, solely).

Abortion is not an issue that I have huge feelings on. But, I have seen stories of women with ectopic pregnancies not being able to get treated in hospitals in states with tough laws. That is concerning, a daughter went through that 8 months ago. I would hate to think of her driving through a very restricted state when something bad happened.

Other than the fact that "life of mother" is being treated as immediate danger of death, I may not like the time frames states choose but it isn't a battle I want to fight.

 

[larsIU]

Abortion is not an issue that I have huge feelings on. But, I have seen stories of women with ectopic pregnancies not being able to get treated in hospitals in states with tough laws. That is concerning, a daughter went through that 8 months ago. I would hate to think of her driving through a very restricted state when something bad happened.

Other than the fact that "life of mother" is being treated as immediate danger of death, I may not like the time frames states choose but it isn't a battle I want to fight.

I think the only way a "national" abortion law would work would be at 15 weeks and have that be the minimum. Beyond that the states can extend as they see fit.

Sorry to hear about your daughter. Hope she's doing well.

 

[Indyhorn]

Banks leading in Hamilton Co but Braun trailing

Banks is a budget hawk like Mitch Daniels- Braun is a Trumpist, he cares not about federal deficits

 

[hoosboot]

Giving puberty blockers to kids and chopping dicks and breasts off of young adults with psychiatric Disorders or on the autism spectrum isn’t ****ing incrementalism - it’s a nihilistic cult that operates outside of science. Pronouns and the other nonsense aren’t incrementalism either. It’s “look at me!” bullshit.

Gay and lesbian and bisexual has been around since the dawn of time and it’s a damned shame it took this long for it to be normalized. But don’t try to say the adoption curves should be same.

Man, talking with you about transgender issues is like talking with @mcmurtry66 about the USWNT. Trigger warnings abound.

The "culture wars" certainly include more than just this single issue. Abortion. Gay rights. Women's rights. The roles of women and men in society. The role of religion in society. There are a ton of things. Lars brought up "culture wars", but I don't think either her or I mentioned transgender. I don't think any of them (gay rights, abortion, the roles of women or religion in society) are the same. They each have their own issues and arguments. I'm merely pointing out that there have been few cases where there's been regression on these issues over the long haul. I don't know what's going to happen with transgender issues.

For as much as you claimed to like my thoughts on what Democrat messaging should be, you don't seem to embrace it much.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

We're going to Trampled by Turtles on Dec. 14 at the Clyde in Fort Wayne.

I bet you just can't wait for the next 4 Non Blondes concert too. Ammiright?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Man, talking with you about transgender issues is like talking with @mcmurtry66 about the USWNT. Trigger warnings abound.

The "culture wars" certainly include more than just this single issue. Abortion. Gay rights. Women's rights. The roles of women and men in society. The role of religion in society. There are a ton of things. Lars brought up "culture wars", but I don't think either her or I mentioned transgender. I don't think any of them (gay rights, abortion, the roles of women or religion in society) are the same. They each have their own issues and arguments. I'm merely pointing out that there have been few cases where there's been regression on these issues over the long haul. I don't know what's going to happen with transgender issues.

For as much as you claimed to like my thoughts on what Democrat messaging should be, you don't seem to embrace it much.

In a few years the best uswnt player will be the worm’s daughter. Pretty wild

 

[mattndallas]

I bet you just can't wait for the next 4 Non Blondes concert too. Ammiright?

 

[hoosboot]

I don't know how to say this without sounding awful, but here goes (some grace please).

We're getting awfully granular as it relates to civil rights. And that granularity is now causing cracks in the civil rights victories won over all these past 75 years.

AGain, I'm trying to say something and I'm probably doing it wrong (as usual). Maybe those whose civil rights were secured oh so many years ago are now finding themselves in the position many white people were in 50 or 60 years ago. Like you said, progress isn't a straight line. But I think we're off on a tangent right now that we don't know where it ends. It used to end with "everybody is American and has the same civil rights as everyone else." I'm not sure that's what it means any more.

You don't sound awful at all, but I think your caring whether you do is exactly where a thoughtful conversation can be had.

And I think you're asking natural questions that make a lot of sense. It's really easy to look at minority rights or gay rights or women's rights and think that those fights weren't long and hard and full of people unsure if what was being discussed was the right thing because it was different than how it had always been (or as least as long as they could remember.)

I'm just a respect and self-determination junkie, so I try to give wide latitude to people to be who they want to be. If you want me to call you Lars the Strong & Perfect, I'll try to find a way to make it work.

 

[hoosboot]

In a few years the best uswnt player will be the worm’s daughter. Pretty wild

A few years? You think it will be that long?

 

[mcmurtry66]

You don't sound awful at all, but I think your caring whether you do is exactly where a thoughtful conversation can be had.

And I think you're asking natural questions that make a lot of sense. It's really easy to look at minority rights or gay rights or women's rights and think that those fights weren't long and hard and full of people unsure if what was being discussed was the right thing because it was different than how it had always been (or as least as long as they could remember.)

I'm just a respect and self-determination junkie, so I try to give wide latitude to people to be who they want to be. If you want me to call you Lars the Strong & Perfect, I'll try to find a way to make it work.

You’re a Hollywood woke cuck!!!! Doesn’t mean we don’t like ya

 

[BadWakeboarder]

You’re a Hollywood woke cuck!!!! Doesn’t mean we don’t like ya

He’s not a cuck - but he does speak in generalities so wide that he can never be wrong. It’s actually really impressive. I’d adopt the style but my directness for some reason has really worked out for me my whole life.

 

[mcmurtry66]

He’s not a cuck - but he does speak in generalities so wide that he can never be wrong. It’s actually really impressive. I’d adopt the style but my directness for some reason has really worked out for me my whole life.

he'd be hell to depose

 

[stollcpa]

😂😂

 

[BadWakeboarder]

he'd be hell to depose

Treat the witness as hostile.

 

[hoosboot]

Treat the witness as hostile.

VERY hostile. 🤣

 

[BadWakeboarder]

VERY hostile. 🤣

But you probably pronounce it Hoh-stee-lay.

 

[GeorgeStrait IU]

Don’t tell willdog

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I'm being serious when I say these people have mental issues. How they continue to be put in front of a camera of any serious news organization is inexplicable.

Operation mockingbird.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Another serious question, does Cignetti coach women's basketball? We looked terrible tonight, lost in OT to Harvard.

 

[dr.jb]

Another serious question, does Cignetti coach women's basketball? We looked terrible tonight, lost in OT to Harvard.

it may be a rough year

 

[Marvin the Martian]

it may be a rough year

I had high hopes, but we are amazingly unathletic. Two straight Ivy League schools embarrassed our guards.

 

[Spartans9312]

Another serious question, does Cignetti coach women's basketball? We looked terrible tonight, lost in OT to Harvard.

Lack of athleticism (yeah I know)
Attitude problem (seniors were bad)
Poor effort

That’ll lead to a loss

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Lack of athleticism (yeah I know)
Attitude problem (seniors were bad)
Poor effort

That’ll lead to a loss

Chloe did not want to come back, changed her mind right before senior day. I wonder if her heart is not in it

Syd looked terrible.

 

[IUJIM]

I get it. All of the folks agreeing with Bernie think he is super smart when it comes to the diagnosis, but super dumb when it comes to the prescription. They want Democrats to become Republicans.

Humbly, I don't think that's what middle class, blue collar workers want and I think some Republicans here are making the same mistake that Democrats made after the last election.

I don't believe that anybody is asking the middle class, blue collar worker to become Republican. I just think they want a voice and to be heard, and they have finally figured out the the Democratic party was not listening. It really is not very complicated.

 

[sweetsilence]

The Ds have to move to the middle and engage Union and labor again. Become the more populist of the populist parties. (Which scares the shit outta me)

Yeah.

Don't run a vapid whore from California would be a good start

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

 

[stollcpa]

Banks is a budget hawk like Mitch Daniels- Braun is a Trumpist, he cares not about federal deficits

Have you met Mike Braun and actually talked to him? I have and he’s a smart, thoughtful and reasonable man.

 

[hoosboot]

But you probably pronounce it Hoh-stee-lay.

Geez...get it right. Hah-steel-ay.

 

[hoosboot]

Yeah.

Don't run a vapid whore from California would be a good start

A vapid whore from New York is cool though?