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The Serious Election Day Thread

As women gained toward equality, men were going to lose some power at all levels. If we let women work in the factory, there are fewer factory jobs for men. Simple math, is that wrong?

So yes, to an extent blue collar men lost jobs. The alternative is to what, tell women they cannot work?

More men are doctors. I suspect, have not looked, but I suspect because of Catholic beliefs more men are ministers. More women teach, and nurse, and administrative assistant. Just guesses, you can look them up. More men in construction.

So we don't want to see that women get power, at the same time, what, we throw women out of factories and construction to appease men?

I do not have a solution. The pie can only grow so large. Because of technology we need fewer laborers. I have seen I69 being built, the number of humans working on it has been amazingly small

But we are okay telling women not to try for any power positions (except CPA, women seem to be well represented). In return, they should leave all the other jobs? What answer is there?
If you view it that way, then yeah, nothing they can do. Either women win and guys lose or guys win and women lose. I mean there is another approach you are completely missing....there are ways to approach issues that impact both of them. Maybe we went too far on how we approach schooling in advocating for girls and that advocacy went from seeking equality to merely shifting from one inequality to another. You can talk to both men and women, Democrats have actively chosen not to.
 
As women gained toward equality, men were going to lose some power at all levels. If we let women work in the factory, there are fewer factory jobs for men. Simple math, is that wrong?

So yes, to an extent blue collar men lost jobs. The alternative is to what, tell women they cannot work?

More men are doctors. I suspect, have not looked, but I suspect because of Catholic beliefs more men are ministers. More women teach, and nurse, and administrative assistant. Just guesses, you can look them up. More men in construction.

So we don't want to see that women get power, at the same time, what, we throw women out of factories and construction to appease men?

I do not have a solution. The pie can only grow so large. Because of technology we need fewer laborers. I have seen I69 being built, the number of humans working on it has been amazingly small

But we are okay telling women not to try for any power positions (except CPA, women seem to be well represented). In return, they should leave all the other jobs? What answer is there?

There are less jobs that need men.... That's a given. Trump spoke to it and they voted for him, even if he doesn't really have solutions. The other option either ignored them or called them toxic. Not sure why it's a surprise outcome.
 
There are less jobs that need men.... That's a given. Trump spoke to it and they voted for him, even if he doesn't really have solutions. The other option either ignored them or called them toxic. Not sure why it's a surprise outcome.
That's an interesting take. Where did Harris call men toxic?
 
There are less jobs that need men.... That's a given. Trump spoke to it and they voted for him, even if he doesn't really have solutions. The other option either ignored them or called them toxic. Not sure why it's a surprise outcome.
I don’t remember hearing Harris solution to the problem?
 
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I tried to tell all of these anti-Trumpers how bad of a candidate Harris was, but they didn't listen. This wasn't because Trump ran a good campaign or is a better candidate than 2020 - he's clearly not.

Nothing is more telling than what unfolded in NC. Yes, I know Robinson is a scumbag and was a terrible Gubernatorial candidate run by the GOP, but it was an early and easy call for NC Gov. because of a massive margin. That's a ton of people that had to switch parties, which I applaud, on the ballot and coconsciously voted for another candidate than Kamala.
The Dems didn’t have a real choice, given the timing. It was either Biden or Harris.

But the timing *was* a choice. They decided early on to gaslight about Biden instead of putting the heat on him to step aside. It’s understandable, he was the incumbent and you don’t ever want to give up that advantage. So they reflexively defended their guy and tried to deny that he had been diminished.

What they didn’t consider, I guess, is that it would get worse…just as he was having to make more public appearances related to campaigning. And it culminated in that debate debacle.
 
If you view it that way, then yeah, nothing they can do. Either women win and guys lose or guys win and women lose. I mean there is another approach you are completely missing....there are ways to approach issues that impact both of them. Maybe we went too far on how we approach schooling in advocating for girls and that advocacy went from seeking equality to merely shifting from one inequality to another. You can talk to both men and women, Democrats have actively chosen not to.
And Republicans have chosen to? Seriously, how do Republicans address the glass ceiling?

I think Democrats thought the infrastructure bill would create blue collar jobs, and it did. But I don't think that was seen as helping. A CNN reporter spoke about talking to construction workers working on an infrastructure project in Michigan that were all voting Trump. I think Democrats thought that would be the inroad and it wasn't.
 
And Republicans have chosen to? Seriously, how do Republicans address the glass ceiling?

I think Democrats thought the infrastructure bill would create blue collar jobs, and it did. But I don't think that was seen as helping. A CNN reporter spoke about talking to construction workers working on an infrastructure project in Michigan that were all voting Trump. I think Democrats thought that would be the inroad and it wasn't.

Democrats have lost those voters for probably a generation due to cultural issues. They might as well give up and go all in on becoming an urban party and try to win wealthy suburbanites
 
For the hundred-or-so-million men that aren't in C-Suites, what do those stats matter to them?

I am pointing out women have concerns to. I could list the usual "for every dollar a man makes a woman makes 84 cents". That extends further down the scale.

My point is men are saying "ha, Democrats ignored us" but seriously aren't the Republicans ignoring women? Name specific programs touted by Republicans for women?
 
The figure you're citing is meant for the dumbest of the dumb. It does not account for profession or hours spent working. Only idiots regurgitate it.

Even cooler story.

It does account for hours spent working and the difference is actually in great degree driven by managerial positions...sort of the kind of thing that Marvin was referencing.

Only braindead morons don't recognize that it is a real phenomenon that women are working hard to overcome, so I get why you don't recognize it.
 
One silver lining for me in Trump winning with a Republican Senate — and maybe for our resident Dems here — is that it paves the way for Clarence Thomas’s retirement.

I love Justice Thomas myself. But he’s getting pretty old and it would be nice to replace him with somebody younger.
It means an overwhelmingly right wing court for the rest of my life. At least the rest of my career. Might be time for a change for me.
 
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Even cooler story.

It does account for hours spent working and the difference is actually in great degree driven by managerial positions...sort of the kind of thing that Marvin was referencing.

Only braindead morons don't recognize that it is a real phenomenon that women are working hard to overcome, so I get why you don't recognize it.
Nope. Doesn't account for chosen profession. Suck it shitlib.
 
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It means an overwhelmingly right wing court for the rest of my life. At least the rest of my career. Might be time for a change for me.
Did you get your invitation to Auburn? Of course, there is an initiation.....
 
Harris.... No. Was the idea of toxic masculinity not a common point brought up by the left for the last many years? Certainly was during Trump's first term.
Isn't Harris the "other option" you were referring to when you said Trump spoke to them and "The other option either ignored them or called them toxic"?
 
It isn't about power. That is what I am saying. When you are telling voting men that they need to give up their hold on the patriarchy and things like that and then comparing that to what is happening to normal dudes, the message falls flat. Girls are doing better in school. More women are getting degrees. More women are homeowners. And the reaction you had is exactly the type of reaction that I think turns guys off. It isn't about power, it is that you (the Democrats) don't talk to my issues and when you (the Democrats) do talk to me you paint this picture that I should STFU and step aside for the girls because the top .0001% of men who have always run the world still do. It is just god awful messaging to blue collar dudes who used to be a big part of that coalition.
This.
 
It means an overwhelmingly right wing court for the rest of my life. At least the rest of my career. Might be time for a change for me.
As long as they always make a good faith effort to operate in fidelity to the ratified text of the Constitution, as understood by those who drafted and ratified it, then this is just fine by me.

Because that is what a court is supposed to do — not do what they think is right…and just let the law catch up.

But I know a lot of people have it in for Thomas himself. So maybe they’ll take some solace in the likelihood that his tenure on the bench is probably nearing its end.
 
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I don’t remember hearing Harris solution to the problem?
She said that what ever they are, they will not be what she's done the last for years, but what she will possibly do the next for years. "we move forward, not look at what "I" am actually doing". .. Or something to that effect (did I get the effect/ affect thingy right this time?)
 
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How do any of those help women in the workplace any more than me pointing out men also qualify for ACA, for the stimulus check, for pretty much any government program.
Marv. Giving birth to a child and raising them takes a chunk out of your career goals. You cannot legislate that fact away with government. And you shouldn't try.

Women generally love their kids and they vote in their interests over anything else. The problem is Democrats seem to wan't less women having kids.
 
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She said that what ever they are, they will not be what she's done the last for years, but what she will possibly do the next for years. "we move forward, not look at what "I" am actually doing". .. Or something to that effect (did I get the effect/ affect thingy right this time?)
The solution was I was raised in a middle class family.
 
Isn't Harris the "other option" you were referring to when you said Trump spoke to them and "The other option either ignored them or called them toxic"?

I said ignored. Harris didn't run a real campaign. She got anointed 4 months ago and did probably about as good as she was capable of. She basically had to run as a weak incumbent in an unpopular administration
 
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