The not firing after 2 years thing ...

[Al Bino]

How do you know though if you’ve never been around a coach that instilled drive. I’ve only had one teacher/mentor in all of high school all of college and all of my 5 years post graduate work that include a doctorate that I felt motivated me.

I have been around plenty of coaches but that doesn't have anything to do with what we are talking about.

I agree with Colin, desire and drive is an internal thing. I agree with you, as far as, a coach can maximize those characteristics of the players, bring out the best but I guess where we disagree is you believe that a coach can instill those in a player, whereas I do not.

 

[victorbear]

Where is this Mike Lewis thing coming from?

Well if you want Alford and Lewis they will be available after the season because Lewis is almost for sure getting fired from Nebraska when they let Miles and his staff go.

So if you want two failed big ten coaches that's cool.

UCLA was as big of a trainwreck as we are...in year 7 or so, that they let Alford go mid season which is unheard of when it's performance related.

How about we give him one more year just to make sure it's not chemistry related. There is no Zeller coming in to save him.

If he is truly as horseshit as he looks (which I'm admittedly shocked at how bad this year has turned out and obviously can't happen again) then yeah...cut ties.

Once a coach loses the fan base it's really hard to get it back.

I still think it's Romeo related. It's got a Bracey Wright feel to me where he came in and was announced over Moye, Coverdale, Hornsby and Newton. The so called ''help is on the way' recruit.

That team started hot and then died badly (not as bad as this one but), barely making the tourney. The following year missed it completely.

Totally agree. One more year not 2. Unless next year shows promise and 2020 recruiting is good.

 

[IDontWannaLargeFarva]

Calipari, Pitino, and Self are cheating slime. Get the heck off an IU basketball board with that kind of talk.

We're the moral high ground champs 20 years running!

 

[Al Bino]

Archie WAS a flat out horrible hire. He can’t motivate or teach. Bad!

Once again,
Did you say that when he was hired?
Did you say that when IU was 12-2?
Or did your clairvoyant powers just manifest since the slide began?

 

[victorbear]

Once again,
Did you say that when he was hired?
Did you say that when IU was 12-2?
Or did your clairvoyant powers just manifest since the slide began?

Bino- you have to admit the 12-2 start was kind of a fluke, not saying I wasn’t sky high about team, but looking back 10-4 was probably more realistic

 

[SIhoosier26]

To be honest, I think it is time to make a change and to be brutally honest, there is a decent, not great, but decent coach available and we all know who that is. Do we want to go there? Should it be about restoring credibility, or do we want to experiment again with a Fife or Lewis. I'm thinking maybe both, maybe hire Steve and mandate he offer asst. positions to Fife and Lewis. That sounds like a dream scenario to me to unite the fan base and have a plan B.

Nobody wants Steve, cut this sh*t out. He's won nothing in his entire career and he just got fired from his last job.

 

[Al Bino]

Bino- you have to admit the 12-2 start was kind of a fluke, not saying I wasn’t sky high about team, but looking back 10-4 was probably more realistic

Fluke? Why do you say that?

 

[welshman#]

If you think those were the only issues with Sampson, you weren't paying attention. He was on probation from OU when we hired him. He re-violated a rule the NCAA was stressing. Not very bright....and revisionist history on your part. Sampson is the mistake we are still paying for.

don't disagree re: KS but IMO the mistake we are still paying for is going cheap when Beilein was there to be hired but IU "couldn't afford" the WVU buyout (back in the pre-BTN-$$$ days)

 

[go_iu]

Where is this Mike Lewis thing coming from?

Well if you want Alford and Lewis they will be available after the season because Lewis is almost for sure getting fired from Nebraska when they let Miles and his staff go.

So if you want two failed big ten coaches that's cool.

UCLA was as big of a trainwreck as we are...in year 7 or so, that they let Alford go mid season which is unheard of when it's performance related.

How about we give him one more year just to make sure it's not chemistry related. There is no Zeller coming in to save him.

If he is truly as horseshit as he looks (which I'm admittedly shocked at how bad this year has turned out and obviously can't happen again) then yeah...cut ties.

Once a coach loses the fan base it's really hard to get it back.

I still think it's Romeo related. It's got a Bracey Wright feel to me where he came in and was announced over Moye, Coverdale, Hornsby and Newton. The so called ''help is on the way' recruit.

That team started hot and then died badly (not as bad as this one but), barely making the tourney. The following year missed it completely.

I can agree with that, the only problem I have is that we both know now how it's going to end. Badly, and put us in a worse position to find someone competent

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

don't disagree re: KS but IMO the mistake we are still paying for is going cheap when Beilein was there to be hired but IU "couldn't afford" the WVU buyout (back in the pre-BTN-$$$ days)

Beilein wouldn't have made it at IU. He would have been ran out of town on a rail.

 

[victorbear]

I can agree with that, the only problem I have is that we both know now how it's going to end. Badly, and put us in a worse position to find someone competent

U don’t know that pure speculation

 

[victorbear]

Beilein wouldn't have made it at IU. He would have been ran out of town on a rail.

Another lie; u don’t know that he made tourney his second year at Michigan

 

[Kyser123]

UK wasted no time getting rid of Gillespie and writing Cal a nice check. Our administration simply doesn’t care. UNC wasted no time removing Daughtry and brining in Roy. We like to claim we’re a blue blood, but when it comes to making blue blood decisions , or writing blue blood checks, we simply won’t do it. Half of the mid majors could beat us this year. And what will the excuses be next year when we’re a 500 team. More “rebuilding “ , he needs “his” players, etc , etc. We’re a joke and we need to stop acting and talking like we’re a blue blood. We’re not! Maybe when someone can put on the big boy pants and make big boy decisions we’ll have a chance. Until then, we need to stop the charade.

 

[IU Scott]

Obviously sarcasm, I love the fans that sit back and just hope to be able to say, “I told you so you dumbass” I’m telling you right now there is no final four in the next 5 years for Archie.

You probably could say that for any coach we hire if Archie is fired. Maybe it is time to realize that this is not the IU we grew up with and maybe it will never be again.

 

[IU Scott]

Alford- 3 Sweet Sixteens in 5 years at UCLA. Recruiting 5 star players. This clearly surpasses what Archie did in pathetic Atlantic 10 where he got lucky on his elite 8 run and played a 10 seed in Regional....

Yet those 5 star players he recruited to UCLA just lost to Washington St. last night by 25 points. Just because you can recruit 5 star players does not mean you will be able to coach them to win. it is funny that you just mentioned what Alford did at UCLA is pretty much what we just fired Crean for.

 

[IU Scott]

Indiana deserves better! IMHO, Miller won't make it. From what we've seen in the past two seasons, there's nothing impressive. But, Steve is not the answers. He's an ok coach but how much difference between him the last four? If we drop Miller, his successor must be a well established name. If we hired one more coach like the last four, we would have nothing left (actually we might already have nothing left). Unless we are sure we could get someone like Stevens or Donovan type, we should wait. But the search should start now.

Problem is that there are no establish coach will leave their job for this job so if you fire Archie you will pretty much be looking at the same type of coach again.

 

[IU Scott]

My 2 cents would be to get a big name coach and pay what he is worth. Could always strike gold with an unknown young coach but odds are more likely they won’t become a hall of fame coach. Your AD may have to go behind the scenes and approach a lot of people to see who may have interest.

I would give Archie one more year and then decide. I don’t actually think he will do better next year but the public perception has value.

I would agree but who is on that list that would be available. When I think of big name coaches I think of Cal(don't ever want him) coach K, Self, Izzo, Pitino(don't want him), Boheim, Few, Bennett ?,Wright so who on that list will coe here.

 

[victorbear]

Yet those 5 star players he recruited to UCLA just lost to Washington St. last night by 25 points. Just because you can recruit 5 star players does not mean you will be able to coach them to win. it is funny that you just mentioned what Alford did at UCLA is pretty much what we just fired Crean for.

Wrong- We fired Crean cause his recruiting went into the toilet. Alford’s never did.

 

[IU Scott]

Wrong- We fired Crean cause his recruiting went into the toilet. Alford’s never did.

but their accomplishments are very similar yet you want Alford to coach here when you wanted Crean gone. Kept telling you people that wanted a coaching change that just making a change was not going to help but everyone thought just bringing in a new coach was the answer.

 

[victorbear]

but their accomplishments are very similar yet you want Alford to coach here when you wanted Crean gone. Kept telling you people that wanted a coaching change that just making a change was not going to help but everyone thought just bringing in a new coach was the answer.

Dude if Crean was still getting 5 stars he would still be our coach. His results weren’t that bad, but there was no hope. Grant Gelon, Priller come on. If Crean had 5 star talent I do not doubt his potential.

 

[IU Scott]

Dude if Crean was still getting 5 stars he would still be our coach. His results weren’t that bad, but there was no hope. Grant Gelon, Priller come on. If Crean had 5 star talent I do not doubt his potential.

No he wouldn't be here if he kept having the same results

 

[ufo33]

Crean coach no defense.

 

[Deli owl]

I would agree but who is on that list that would be available. When I think of big name coaches I think of Cal(don't ever want him) coach K, Self, Izzo, Pitino(don't want him), Boheim, Few, Bennett ?,Wright so who on that list will coe here.

I don’t have that answer but I would keep it behind the scenes and check with NBA guys as well as college guys. They have to start with the big boys and big checks or they will continue to struggle. It’s been too long and time to fix it.

Get a proven winner in there and go from there. I hate Pitino but ruling him out may not be that smart initially. I’m not saying that’s who you take but you don’t rule anyone out starting off. Then you dwindle down.

 

[4IUSox2]

Someone said it above, and I've come around to it as well. If a change was made, give Bruce Weber a call. He is a good teacher, in game coach, doesn't cheat or put up with dumb play or lack of effort. What he has done at K-State has been impressive.

 

[welshman#]

Beilein wouldn't have made it at IU. He would have been ran out of town on a rail.

by the "post-Crean, 2019" IU fanbase maybe; doubt if he would've by the IU fanbase back then

 

[ufo33]

Pitino and Alford are available.

 

[cathead64]

Fire Archie hire Frank Martin, he did well at K State and hell took South Carolina to a final four. And he gets 100% out of his players.

 

[welshman#]

Fire Archie hire Frank Martin, he did well at K State and hell took South Carolina to a final four. And he gets 100% out of his players.

expect that he has about as much chance of being hired by Fred Glass as Gregg Marshall would, i.e., approx. 0%

 

[victorbear]

Fire Archie hire Frank Martin, he did well at K State and hell took South Carolina to a final four. And he gets 100% out of his players.

Yea and he could easily beat the crap out of Fred!

 

[IU Scott]

Fire Archie hire Frank Martin, he did well at K State and hell took South Carolina to a final four. And he gets 100% out of his players.

Martin is 13-12 this year

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

It's BS, for one a big-time coach (Pitino, Calipari, Self, etc.) wouldn't balk at coming here because they know they'd be successful and 2) an unproven experiment hire (Fife, Lewis, etc.) would take the job just to build resume even if it didn't work out. The kind of coach that wouldn't take the job is exactly what we have or a Gregg Marshall, a mid-major success that has no history of success on the big stage and is comfortable where they're at.

Right now, and for the foreseeable future, we are not going to be good. If this continues in death spiral into next year, I will guarantee Arch doesn't get a year 4. So the question is, do you think we will see marked improvement next year. I don't, so it is logical that we pay less and give someone like Lewis or Fife, that have ties to the program, a chance to fix it. They're no more experimental than Archie and this point and much less expensive.

We truly have lousy fans.

 

[cathead64]

So is Archie. Frank Martin is at South Carolina. Not a blue blood school. Just throwing a name out.

 

[Cutter1973]

And what makes you think you have the requisite knowledge to make an informed opinion that disputes a player that played college ball?

Because he is an immensely successful person...he just said so! He must be getting paid a nickel for every stupid comment he makes.

 

[mike41703]

Archie will get things rolling next year.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Sampson was 22-4 and 11-2 when he was fired for texting players! Who the f—k fires their coach with that record without waiting for an investigation!! My god IU. Awful. Did Arizona fire Sean Miller when that story broke, how about Bruce Pearl did he get canned. Oh that’s right IU takes the moral high ground (code for losing)

He should never have been hired. He was an embarrassment.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

It won’t be ridiculous when we have a similar record next year.

So you admit that it's ridiculous now. That's what I thought too.

 

[coachv jr]

BTW/ If Archie were to go 31-5, 15-3- sweet sixteen and 18 months later be fired this board would be an inferno, but that’s what happened to Alford!

hell, you could go 15-3 in the pac 10. it's the pac 10 for chrissakes!

 

[snarlcakes]

I would agree but who is on that list that would be available. When I think of big name coaches I think of Cal(don't ever want him) coach K, Self, Izzo, Pitino(don't want him), Boheim, Few, Bennett ?,Wright so who on that list will coe here.

Offer Chris Beard 6 million a year for 6 years. Problem solved. This isn't that difficult Scott.

Luckily, for you, our administration is fruitless like you Scott and Archie isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. Enjoy the mediocrity and keep cheering for the lads.

 

[coachv jr]

I
I HIGHLY value the opinion of someone who has actually played for IU, so I take seriously what CH says.

risley also played for iu

 

[bailey777]

Offer Chris Beard 6 million a year for 6 years. Problem solved. This isn't that difficult Scott.

Luckily, for you, our administration is fruitless like you Scott and Archie isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. Enjoy the mediocrity and keep cheering for the lads.

Archie has five years here at least.