Did you say that when he was hired?
Did you say that when IU was 12-2?
Or did your clairvoyant powers just manifest since the slide began?
Inquiring minds want to know.
The not firing after 2 years thing ...
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Did you say that when he was hired?
Did you say that when IU was 12-2?
Or did your clairvoyant powers just manifest since the slide began?
Inquiring minds want to know.
So, we are to dismiss what a former IU player has to say and buy into what a keyboard coach says?? Is that what you are espousing?
Aaaa yea, sign me up!
Sampson was on probation for TOO MANY phone calls!!! What the hell is wrong with you people. North Carolina academic scandal- nothing done, Sean Miller wire taps offering $100k- nothing done, Pitino- hookers underage- nothing done until wire taps pushed him out.
No I’m making an argument. You either believe a coach can instill heart and a passion to win or you don’t, Colin is taking the latter position- I don’t agree.
Move out of the basement, my friend. Your life will be more enjoyable and your relationship with your parents will improve. Don't be ashamed to start at the bottom (it takes job experience for people who don't recently have it). Once you stop hating yourself so much, you might be able to look at things through the lens of reality instead of loathing fueled by yourself. Then, maybe you can afford to waste your time watching a sport you barely have a base understanding of. God speed! I look forward to being able to have a semi-intelligent conversation with you!
He violated the EXACT rule he was on probation for and what the NCAA was making a point to enforce. Shouldn't your mommy and daddy be limiting your screen time?
And what makes you think you have the requisite knowledge to make an informed opinion that disputes a player that played college ball?
If Coaches can’t instill a will to win and passion for the game, how do you explain countless coaches in their first year turning around a sports franchise that has the same players. I’m speaking all types of sports. Is it just luck? Seriously how do u explain, I’d like to ask Colin.
You have absolutely no clue who I am and are acting like a retarded troll. So, you get the same treatment, since there apparently are no moderators here. Though, with your attitude about rules, I wouldn't be surprised if you work in Wall Street. You, obviously, have never worked with kids, coaching, or teaching...just go away. You, obviously, can't keep up...
Ara Parseghian- Notre Dame 1964
The year before Notre Dame was 2-7. Ara the following year has them 9-0 ranked #1, they lose bowl game finish 9-1. How do you explain this?? Luck, new recruits (not freshman can’t play) please anyone.
The year before Notre Dame was 2-7. Ara the following year has them 9-0 ranked #1, they lose bowl game finish 9-1. How do you explain this?? Luck, new recruits (not freshman can’t play) please anyone.
Actually, if I was IU, I would hire Jamie Pollard, Steve Prohm and Matt Campbell, all from Iowa State.
Colin Hartman was also a big Crean supporter.....so any input on the matter comes with a grain of salt.
It’s not shameful to admit that the Archie hire looked good on paper. Writers and fans alike said it was good.
What is (or will be) shameful is how IU responds to this mess. If they decide to stick with somebody who cannot coach at this level, that’s where the issue lies. Admit it was a bad hire and move on.
How about Urban Meyer. In 2012 his 1st season they go 12-0 and win title, the year before they were 6-7...did the 2011 just not want to win? This is such BS
I like Colin but no offense his two coaches were Crean and Archie! What if had played for Coach K for 2 years then Archie I’d like to know what he would say then. Steve Risley knows cause he admits he didn’t know how to play and Knight taught him.
The way I get it, Colin was speaking about the internal drive and desire to win as opposed coach instilled drive and desire argument.
I think that question transcends coaches.
Archie might indeed turn out to be a bad hire. I guess where we differ is that IMO, that conclusion can not be drawn at this point.
I would support firing after year 2 only if, as AD, you had a homerun hire locked down before you made a public announcement of firing. I would not support firing after year 2 for replacement by an unproven as you suggest.
Bob Knight first year at Texas Tech goes 23-9 10-6 and makes NCAA.
The year before Texas Tech was 9-19. I guess that team just didn’t have any heart to win.
The year before Texas Tech was 9-19. I guess that team just didn’t have any heart to win.
You cant build a culture with one recruiting class period.
Roster comparison? What offensive and defensive systems were they running when he took over? What was the injury situation? Did they have any size? Did they have a freshman lead backcourt? Did they have any shooters? Knight, arguably, is the best of all time with what he got out of his players. One example does not a conclusion make....
Can we agree not to anoint whoever the next coach is as the second coming of RMK and a 30 year coach before he proves something?
How do you know though if you’ve never been around a coach that instilled drive. I’ve only had one teacher/mentor in all of high school all of college and all of my 5 years post graduate work that include a doctorate that I felt motivated me.
Who cares they were 9-19, this is about heart the will to win. There is an argument that coaches can’t instill that. It wouldn’t matter if Brad Stevens were the cosch if players had no internal motivation that is Colin’s argument...I don’t agree
They didn’t have a lottery pick and an all conference player I can assure you of that
You must be kidding yourself if you think thst good coaches don't make improvement right away. There are few exceptions but if you don't show great improvement regardless of your players and situations, the chance that you belong to the majority, the failures, is much higher. Just because coach K did it doesn't mean most of the guys who had losing seasons in their first two years would become coach K. On the contrary, majorities don't become Coach k most of the time. The chance will not be in your favor. I don't think the chance Miller becomes successful at IU is much better either. He's no RMK or coach K. He would be lucky to be better than Tim Crean if you ask me...
Minor correction - ND lost the last game of the 1964 regular season to USC. University policy did not allow them to play in bowl games. This changed in 1970 when they played Texas in the Cotton bowl.
If IU was playing their guts out and either getting unlucky at the end of games or just coming up short I would not be so critical but this play is embarrassing and alarming if u are a fan
My 2 cents would be to get a big name coach and pay what he is worth. Could always strike gold with an unknown young coach but odds are more likely they won’t become a hall of fame coach. Your AD may have to go behind the scenes and approach a lot of people to see who may have interest.
I would give Archie one more year and then decide. I don’t actually think he will do better next year but the public perception has value.
I would give Archie one more year and then decide. I don’t actually think he will do better next year but the public perception has value.
I’m not in favor of firing him this year just so we all are clear, however from a recruiting standpoint I think after next year u have to either extend him or terminate him, otherwise other coaches will negatively recruit against him
Recruiting is already started to suffer, see KBJ. IU was very fortunate that TJD signed already.
Me too. I didn't like the hire from day one. He just never sold me. I liked Sampson before knowing he was a cheat. I liked Crean. But just not Archie or Mike Davis. From my eyes, they don't have it...
Fife is probably going to take over at MSU when the time comes.
Where is this Mike Lewis thing coming from?
Well if you want Alford and Lewis they will be available after the season because Lewis is almost for sure getting fired from Nebraska when they let Miles and his staff go.
So if you want two failed big ten coaches that's cool.
UCLA was as big of a trainwreck as we are...in year 7 or so, that they let Alford go mid season which is unheard of when it's performance related.
How about we give him one more year just to make sure it's not chemistry related. There is no Zeller coming in to save him.
If he is truly as horseshit as he looks (which I'm admittedly shocked at how bad this year has turned out and obviously can't happen again) then yeah...cut ties.
Once a coach loses the fan base it's really hard to get it back.
I still think it's Romeo related. It's got a Bracey Wright feel to me where he came in and was announced over Moye, Coverdale, Hornsby and Newton. The so called ''help is on the way' recruit.
That team started hot and then died badly (not as bad as this one but), barely making the tourney. The following year missed it completely.
Well if you want Alford and Lewis they will be available after the season because Lewis is almost for sure getting fired from Nebraska when they let Miles and his staff go.
So if you want two failed big ten coaches that's cool.
UCLA was as big of a trainwreck as we are...in year 7 or so, that they let Alford go mid season which is unheard of when it's performance related.
How about we give him one more year just to make sure it's not chemistry related. There is no Zeller coming in to save him.
If he is truly as horseshit as he looks (which I'm admittedly shocked at how bad this year has turned out and obviously can't happen again) then yeah...cut ties.
Once a coach loses the fan base it's really hard to get it back.
I still think it's Romeo related. It's got a Bracey Wright feel to me where he came in and was announced over Moye, Coverdale, Hornsby and Newton. The so called ''help is on the way' recruit.
That team started hot and then died badly (not as bad as this one but), barely making the tourney. The following year missed it completely.
Evidently you missed this,
"The conclusion? Turning around a college basketball program in three years or less isn’t easy. But it’s certainly possible, as we’re seeing this season."
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