The new test of Evangelical hypocrisy

[T.M.P.]

You can do that when you have a total lack of moral fiber.

I was just asking because I wanted to know what was really happening in Westworld. Since Van is now a grand wizard and blessed with the powers to be able to see all of the multiverse and it's variations in exquisite and infallible detail, he should easily be able to explain Westworld's multiple timelines with the same amount of accuracy. Come on Van use your Godlike powers and help us out.

 

[hoosboot]

And the same could be said about the other candidates and all of us too.

Never figured you for a moral equivalency guy, but everybody has their own issues to deal with.

 

[SuperHoosierFan]

So you have the ability to foresee alternate timelines?

That’s an evangelical for ya. Stating as fact something that can’t be proven true by people who agree or disagree.

 

[UncleMark]

I wanted to know what was really happening in Westworld. Since Van is now a grand wizard and blessed with the powers to be able to see all of the multiverse and it's variations in exquisite and infallible detail, he should easily be able to explain Westworld's multiple timelines

I gave up on Westworld. Gave me a headache.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

There is no Evangelical crisis as you call it. We are all sinners. If Christians only voted for sinless people the only one getting votes would be Jesus. So what’s your point?

In the past, Evangelicals have, more than any other religious demographic in America, asserted that the moral makeup of a candidate was very important. They have flip-flopped, and become the least likely to say that now.

As several on here highlighted to justify their vote, it seems one thing that pushed many Evangelicals to change their tune was the importance of the judiciary. But that could explain Trump, but not Hof. Also, while Trump may be a horrible person, Hof literally makes his living through managing the sale of sex. That's a fair bit beyond just being horrible.

But none of that answers your "crisis" claim. The crisis comes in the form of Evangelicism being split by these issues. The ones who are not flipping on these moral questions are starting to fight back against those who are. We saw this at the Baptist Convention, as many of the conservative old guard were thrown out of positions of power or defeated on important motions. The ones who feel that morality trumps political pragmatism feel the faith is under attack from within. That's the crisis. It's not just that some Evangelicals are hypocrites. It's that some Evangelicals are recognizing other Evangelicals as hypocrites, to the point that serious divisions are arising within the faith.

 

[zeke4ahs]

For someone who thinks they are so smart is really showing their stupidity on this subject. Every election since the dawn of America, Evangelicals as you say, have been voting for corrupt, imperfect, sinful people.

The left has a problem right now. You will be defeated in November. You know it. America knows who and what you are. No way you win on your actual platform. No hiding anymore who you really are.

Cheers.

Amen, great post. The Dems are being readicalized from within and are very likely to hand the Mid terms to the Reps on a silver platter even though the Reps are working hard to throw it back in their face. What non believers continue to do is think they are in control of this process when in fact none of us are in control of it.

https://apnews.com/f4145e11b94c413c823c64c3ef908c6c

Lol. What are you two babbling about? The party of Donald Trump thinks the OTHER side has a problem? That’s rich.

 

[zeke4ahs]

I don't want Roe overturned (yet). I have watched for years to see how the Progressives do these things. Overturning Roe means throwing the frog into an already boiling pot. I want to turn the heat up slowly...

We can start with destroying funding to Planned Parenthood as long as they house their abortion function with their other functions and work on restricting abortions to the first trimester. There is a playbook to follow provided by our opponents.

Sure let’s defund it so poor women have any fewer choices with their healthcare. Excellent idea...

 

[IUCrazy2]

Sure let’s defund it so poor women have any fewer choices with their healthcare. Excellent idea...

Read what I posted again. Poor women could still have their healthcare choices if P.P. switched up its business model a bit.

 

[Bruce1]

Read what I posted again. Poor women could still have their healthcare choices if P.P. switched up its business model a bit.

Good post, jere is some data, although a little dated but still very relevant.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/28...an-go-elsewhere-if-planned-parenthood-closes/

 

[IUCrazy2]

Good post, jere is some data, although a little dated but still very relevant.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/28...an-go-elsewhere-if-planned-parenthood-closes/

They do not even have to close. They just need to separate Abortion R Us into a separate building from Women's Health R Us. We can continue to fund the latter while the former would need to be a completely separate accounting entity.

 

[dahldc]

They do not even have to close. They just need to separate Abortion R Us into a separate building from Women's Health R Us. We can continue to fund the latter while the former would need to be a completely separate accounting entity.

Hell has officially frozen over. This might be the most rational thing a conservative has ever said about PP.

Kudos, Crazy.

 

[hoosboot]

Hell has officially frozen over. This might be the most rational thing a conservative has ever said about PP.

Kudos, Crazy.

Do you think that conservatives in Congress would agree to that? If so, that could be the bridge to actual dialogue.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

They do not even have to close. They just need to separate Abortion R Us into a separate building from Women's Health R Us. We can continue to fund the latter while the former would need to be a completely separate accounting entity.

Which of course than doubles the cost incurred by PP. They would need to pay rent on two buildings and staff two buildings. Some liberals, not this one, suggested similar requirements on churches involved in aid programs. I get people don't want to risk churches pushing religion with aid, but it makes no sense to force the extra economic burden onto such a program.

Of course I guess Mike Pence just might keep donating millions to PP to offset the costs, but it makes little sense to force either of the above separations.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Which of course than doubles the cost incurred by PP. They would need to pay rent on two buildings and staff two buildings. Some liberals, not this one, suggested similar requirements on churches involved in aid programs. I get people don't want to risk churches pushing religion with aid, but it makes no sense to force the extra economic burden onto such a program.

Of course I guess Mike Pence just might keep donating millions to PP to offset the costs, but it makes little sense to force either of the above separations.

So we agree that PP is using federal funds for abortions in violation of federal law. You literally made the overhead argument that conservatives have been making for decades. Without separating the two entities, any money thrown towards one endeavor, frees cash for the other.

PP argues for the women's health things that they do and says they need funds for it. PP also makes the majority of their money, outside of donations, from performing abortions. In order to keep receiving federal funds, in my world, they would have to split their for profit fetus extermination services from their Pap Smears, Mammogram referrals, and condom and B.C. dispenceries.

Or, they cease to receive funds and I throw the money at a group that is willing to live with those restrictions. If PP could not keep up, they would be replaced by the new entity who was ready to play ball for all of that federal cash.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

So we agree that PP is using federal funds for abortions in violation of federal law. You literally made the overhead argument that conservatives have been making for decades. Without separating the two entities, any money thrown towards one endeavor, frees cash for the other.

PP argues for the women's health things that they do and says they need funds for it. PP also makes the majority of their money, outside of donations, from performing abortions. In order to keep receiving federal funds, in my world, they would have to split their for profit fetus extermination services from their Pap Smears, Mammogram referrals, and condom and B.C. dispenceries.

Money is fungible, there is no way to say which is which. Just as no one can say churches perfectly separate aid from their core mission.

The law is impossible and stupid.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Money is fungible, there is no way to say which is which. Just as no one can say churches perfectly separate aid from their core mission.

The law is impossible and stupid.

Not impossible, it is easily followed if PP goes the route I suggested. I have all sorts of issues with PP, the abortion issue being #1. The other issue being they take Federal funds and then turn around with their PAC and dump money to one party.

 

[Lucy01]

I was just asking because I wanted to know what was really happening in Westworld. Since Van is now a grand wizard and blessed with the powers to be able to see all of the multiverse and it's variations in exquisite and infallible detail, he should easily be able to explain Westworld's multiple timelines with the same amount of accuracy. Come on Van use your Godlike powers and help us out.

Lol

 

[hoosboot]

Not impossible, it is easily followed if PP goes the route I suggested. I have all sorts of issues with PP, the abortion issue being #1. The other issue being they take Federal funds and then turn around with their PAC and dump money to one party.

So, you agree with Marvin then that religious organizations should be held to a similar standard?

 

[VanPastorMan]

Oh sweetie, with every post you prove exactly the kind of Christian you are. Exactly the type this post is about.

Sweetie? You trying to buy me a drink? I do not believe the Lord thinks I made the wrong choice in voting for Trump. Trump put an embassy in Jerusalem solidifying that Jerusalem is Israel's capital. This was big news. Trump is a far more pro life President than Clinton would ever think of being. I'm not saying Trump is perfect, but he is a far better President than Clinton ever would have been.

 

[Bruce1]

They do not even have to close. They just need to separate Abortion R Us into a separate building from Women's Health R Us. We can continue to fund the latter while the former would need to be a completely separate accounting entity.

I think an accounting arrangement that “insures” tax payer money isn’t used for abortion is plain stupid, a mirage. PP has revenues of about $1.5 billion f which about $500 million comes thru Medicaid and Title X programs. If they didn’t do approx 600,000 abortions a year they could either serve even more women with hardships or reduce the amount of Federal money needed for the other services.

 

[VanPastorMan]

This video explains the issue of our country. We just don't have enough options.

 

[UncleMark]

This video explains the issue of our country. We just don't have enough options.

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[Bill4411]

I’m not sure that running brothels is a whole lot worse than owning casinos. A lot of people get in trouble with their gambling addictions and it ruins their lives. A casino and a brothel are similar as you know you are going to get screwed when you go into them. Hof even had his own reality show on HBO called “Cathouse”. He’s overweight, blonde, of German heritage, a businessman, 71 and from his Wikipedia page, “Hof is close friends with Tucker Carlson and states he communicates with Carlson daily to give him ideas and get advice”.

So keep your eye on Hof as he has all the makings of a future Republican President and Is very tight with Fox News.