The New Pope Thread
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At the risk of being labeled as uncaring of child abuse, I always remember McMartin Day Care when people start getting wound up about this stuff.
There are exceptions too, but not as to past crimes--only as to the planning and perpetrating of future crimes. The attorney could always withdraw--he just can't testify or otherwise disclose.
I saw the documentary in the mid 90s or so. Can't remember if it was HBO or Showtime.... too many years ago. I do remember the facts, however, nearly all the witnesses ultimately admitted to lying, including several of the kids. The old woman Judy somebody was bat shit crazy. Prosecution withheld evidence. Bad news.
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I have never seen him admit he was wrong, without a what about or a but…. No matter who much proof is given to him.
Source for that? Or are you just repeating the narrative?
Yes. At the 2003 World Series. That image (and a short video clip with Joe Buck’s voice) have been everywhere since last week. I was trying to understand CoH’s point, which was probably a mistake.
I thought that was a pretty well known fact.
How will he wear the Pope hat when the Sox need to rally to win?
"According to an article at www.thebalance.com I was reading yesterday, health care costs are the #1 cause of bankruptcy for America’s families."I thought that was a pretty well known fact.
That's from your link. Go to wwwthebalance.com - the link he cites, and tell me where you see anything about the reason from bankruptcies.
I'll accept a link from an authoratative source, but not from some bankruptcy lawyer who claims he 'read' about it.
If the Sox win the Series this year, I think we all have to convert.
Forget the rally hats. The Sox need prayers to St. Jude - - the patron saint of hopeless cases.
Meanwhile, the Knicks have three players from Villanova, the pope’s alma mater. The Knicks haven’t won the NBA championship since 1973. If they win it this year, the pope deserves some VIP treatment at The Garden next season.
It's a shield .... which cheapens his often mentioned faith into an argument mechanism.
It would be interesting to know who said it. For it speaks to all of us in the church because whether we are in or out of the church we have all sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.
The share of debtors reporting a medical contributor to their bankruptcy before the ACA’s January 1, 2014 implementation (65.5%) and after implementation (67.5%) was similar (P = .37). Both of these figures are close to the 62.1% estimate from the 2007 survey, and in a difference-in-differences analysis we found no evidence that trends differed between states that did versus did not accept the ACA’s Medicaid expansion (P = .76). The responses regarding individual items in the current survey are also similar to those in 2007, when 57.1% of debtors cited medical bills as contributors to their bankruptcy and 40.3% cited income loss due to illness.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Medical Bankruptcy: Still Common Despite the Affordable Care Act - PMC
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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If you try to run down the source of the quote, the trail ends in a book written by Tony Campolo. In Letters to a Young Evangelical, chapter 6 he writes, “I would urge you to consider this carefully, and to think about the words of St. Augustine, ‘The church is a whore, but she’s my mother.’ That statement brilliantly conveys how I feel about the church.” He goes on to argue that despite all the failures and sins of the church, she is still our mother, and thus we should be a part of her. Where Campolo got that quote is a mystery because he gives no citation. But if you look further back you will not find it, because it does not exist.
I don't think the quote is about the relationship between the believer and his deity, or that it relates to when the individual believer is unfaithful.
Instead, I take the meaning to be that one's church (either religious institution or community) might falter--in the Catholic church you can document many bad instances, for example--but that it is still your community, and you have to do the best you can with it, like with your mother. Here, the church is the sinner but also the entity that gave "birth" to the believer, in which the believer exists and operates and which nurtures his soul, and to whom the believer owes a kind of debt and obligation to a parent, even one that is "bad" in some circumstances.
Well, since we know it came from Tony Campolo, and which book it's from, we can check (and turns out, you're pretty spot on):
"The church is a whore, but she's my mother." That statement brilliantly coneys how I feel about the church. It is easy for me, like so many of the young Evangelicals I know, to note the ways the church has been unfaithful as the bride of Christ. You don't have to look too hard to see that the Evangelical church in America has a great propensity for reducing Christianity to a validation of our society's middle-class way of life. Unquestionably, the church too often has socialized our young people into adopting culturally established values of success, rather than calling them into the kind of countercultural nonconformity that Scripture requires of Christ's followers (Romans 12:1-2).
Why, then, do I encourage you to participate in organized religion and commit yourself to a specific local congregation? Because, as Augustine made clear, the church is still your mother. It is she who taught you about Jesus. I want you to remember that the Bible teaches that Christ loves the church and gave himself for it (Ephesians 5:25). That's a preeminent reason why you dare not decide that you don't need the church...
Through the ages, God has used the church to keep alive and pass down teh story of what Christ as done for us. It is the church's witness that has kept the world aware that Christ is alive today, offering help and strength to those who trust in him...
Although his poor grasp of history will make you cringe:...The story of Christ would have been lost during the Dark Ages if the church had not sustained it in monasteries where the Scriptures were laboriously hand-copied while barbarians were tearing down the rest of Western civilization. Church councels have protected Christianity from heresies by examining new theologies. Today, it is against two thousand years of church tradition that our modern-day interpretations of Scripture are tested. In short, it is the church that has preserved the Gospel and delivered it into our hands.
Also, that last bit sounds really Catholic for an evangelical Baptist minister.
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Seriously then do your own googling. I provided a link, you didn’t like it. There are multiples out there and like I said, it’s common knowledge.
It's not that I didn't like it. It provided to expert opinion or data. Just a link to another site that had nothing to do with the subject.
Did you even read your own link?
Since you appear incapable of doing it yourself….
You either don't understand percentages or don't know how to process information.
No one ever said medical factors are 'A' factor in bankruptcies. But you claimed it was 'THE' factor. The article you linked says nothing of the kind.
And, according to your aticle YOU linked, the ACA made things worse. I guess you don't want to discuss that?
"A new study from academic researchers found that 66.5 percent of all bankruptcies were tied to medical issues —either because of high costs for care or time out of work. An estimated 530,000 families turn to bankruptcy each year because of medical issues and bills, the research found.
Other reasons include unaffordable mortgages or foreclosure, at 45 percent; followed by spending or living beyond one’s means, 44.4 percent; providing help to friends or relatives, 28.4 percent; student loans, 25.4 percent; or divorce or separation, 24.4 percent.
While the findings are consistent with past studies on bankruptcy, the data also highlight a key new factor: whether the Affordable Care Act has reduced the burden of medical debt for people.
“Despite gains in coverage and access to care from the ACA, our findings suggest that it did not change the proportion of bankruptcies with medical causes,” an article on the study published in the American Journal of Public Health states."
"The number of debtors who cited medical issues as a contributing reason for their bankruptcy actually increased slightly after the law’s implementation — 67.5 percent in the three years following the law’s adoption versus 65.5 percent prior."
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