The New Pope Thread
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Jesus did command his followers to give to the poor. Yes. The act of giving being an act of will.
He never advocated for what we today call wealth redistribution implemented by governments…the likes of which Pope Francis advocated.
There is zero scriptural basis for that.
And, no, I’ve never called on religion to put a stamp of approval on any economic model. In fact, that’s what I’m criticizing.
But the church has never endorsed socialism. Not even Francis. He criticized the excesses of capitalism, for sure. But that is not the same as promoting socialism.
I never said he did.
He promoted wealth redistribution within and between countries - which is not the same thing as socialism.
And my only two points on that are:
1) This doesn’t alleviate poverty, it enables it. And it makes no sense for the church or anybody else interested in reducing poverty to promote policies which do the opposite of that.
2) It has no scriptural basis. People confuse charity with redistribution all the time. And we shouldn’t - there are critical, meaningful differences.
I don't know that it enables poverty. In 1928, we had no social programs, and 60% of Americans were earning below the poverty level. The poverty rate in the US today is about 11%. I would not argue that the gain is all because of income redistribution, but it seems equally likely that one can't say that without redistribution the number would be lower.
Why the Roaring Twenties Left Many Americans Poorer | HISTORY
For some, the Great Depression began in the 1920s.
there's always going to be an underclass. some people are lazy. prone to addiction. dumb. society has to bake that in. redistribution to me is less the question than outcomes. there's been a pivot in how we handle social welfare. clinton did a "better" job of means testing, dates certain for expiration etc. it's why jdb, the real jdb, was so poignant in saying the goal of doge shouldn't be fraud and waste per se. you won't find as much as you believe. the goal should be a proper vetting of programs and their OUTCOMES. the latter is what i have zero faith in joe biden, harris, aoc, etc. their mentality isn't to elevate it's instead to enable and to create dependency. they've gotten loose with their language and been caught in equity of outcomes and not opportunity. this iteration of hte left in my opinion is the most pressing threat to all that makes our country great that we've ever facedI don't know that it enables poverty. In 1928, we had no social programs, and 60% of Americans were earning below the poverty level. The poverty rate in the US today is about 11%. I would not argue that the gain is all because of income redistribution, but it seems equally likely that one can't say that without redistribution the number would be lower.
Why the Roaring Twenties Left Many Americans Poorer | HISTORY
For some, the Great Depression began in the 1920s.www.history.com
If he didn’t vote for President Trump he’ll forever be Pope RINO to a certain group.Interesting story below. Pope Leo, as Robert Prevost, reportedly voted in Republican primaries in 2012, 2014 and 2016. He didn’t vote in the general election in 2016 and 2020, but did so in 2024.
Is Robert Prevost a Republican? What we know
The new pope has been critical of President Trump in social media posts.www.newsweek.com
Hardly. Feet don’t do it for me. In fact, I was thinking the bottom of her feet were probably black with dirt. Feet don’t turn me on but dirty feet turn me off. My wife grew up in Hawaii and likes to go barefoot at times. I don’t like it. Not even in the kitchen!Huh, who knew Aloha has a foot fetish?
Her being barefoot reflected her free spirit attitude on stage. She’d have to wash those feet immediately and thoroughly if we were getting together after the show. That would have been tricky since my wife was with me - and I don’t know Belinda.
At lunch I finished Don Malarky's book, from Easy Company. He had something they called Rhine River Malaria and was sent to a hospital, this was while the company was moved to Berchtesgaden so he missed that. He said there was a guy next to him in the ward who had lost his feet to frostbite in Bastogne. Everyone else was shirking. They would get up and have fun, then a lookout would whistle and they would jump back into bed and appear near death. The dr would come by every afternoon and would ask Malarky how he was doing, Malarky would say fine. The dr would say that Malarky was sicker than Malarky thought. Finally, Malarky said that he wanted to go back to his unit. The dr was incredulous and asked why. Malarky said someone had to fight the war. The doctor was stunned, actually wanted to give him sodium pentothal and ask him why he wanted to go back. The dr eventually told Malarky to take a one day pass into Liege and see if after that he still wanted to go. Of course he still wanted to go so he started back.
Goldbricks have been around for a long time. I'm not positive they are better or worse now.
Pope Leo XIV inherits a packed in-tray, from a world on fire to sex abuse scandals
America's first pontiff will grapple with the church’s decline in Europe and rise in Africa, Asia and Latin America, and will need to confront the decadeslong sexual abuse scandal.
www.nbcnews.com
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In the USA IIRC the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy is a catastrophic disease diagnosis, such as cancer, with no or poor or highly combative health insurance providers who won't pay up.
Is that a personal failing? I personally know of someone pushed into homelessness by medical bills.
Looks like the Cubs fan message was fake news.
He’s a Sox fan! Lookout, the Sox fortunes are about to turn! The Sox have connections in high places.
NBC Chicago's Christian Farr spoke to John Prevost, the Pope's brother, who lives in suburban New Lenox.
Contrary to the earlier reports, Prevost said that his brother is actually a White Sox fan, with his parents having split loyalty between the Cubs and Cardinals.
"Whoever said Cubs on the radio got it wrong. It's Sox," Prevost said.
NBC News has also confirmed from a Vatican spokesperson that the Pope roots for the South Siders.
White smoke at Vatican, phones blowing up in Chicago: Their old classmate Robert is pope
Those who knew Pope Leo XIV as a younger man say his path to the papacy has prepared him well for the challenges ahead.
www.usatoday.com
On the premise that Cardinals spend some of their time talking about sports along with the fact soccer fans around the world out number baseball fans 7 to 1, I doubt the new Pope's election had anything to do with his youthful support of the White Sox.
The fact that people bet on who will be the Pope concerns me, but I can’t put my finger on exactly why.
Did we bet on Billy Graham’s replacement?
Have a theory, some of us have a betting addiction. Betting on just about anything stirs up some hormones which excites them.
Have friends who don't take much interest in games unless they have money on the game. Will give them credit for doing their research and not just relying on their intuition as some of them do really well over the long haul.
This isn't the first time he's posted something without support.
Nonetheless, if he is criticized on this board, he has supporters who vigorously defend him saying, "Leave him alone -- he uses 'pastor' in his username."
Virtually no one on this board knows his real background from anything other than what he posts. But, if you criticize what he posts, they still say, ""Leave him alone -- he uses 'pastor' in his username."
Sox. Cubs.
Is there any real difference?
“It’s a beautiful day. Let’s lose 2. And let’s throw the first one.”
He also has a history of spreading unfounded, ugly gossip and rumors about a couple of public figures. If he’s a pastor (which I doubt), that makes it worse.
🤣🤣. Yes. This is his little scheme he concocted decades ago. Create the persona of an IU fan who worked at Wendy’s, attended moody Bible institute, and became a pastor in rural Pennsylvania who once a year splurges on gatti’s pizza on the drive home. 🤣
How far removed from what we consider normal would you guess you two are? Doom and gloom
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In your first 3 cites, are you being too specific? Jesus told a rich man who loved his money - which was the one thing keeping him from giving his whole heart to God- to sell it all. that does not necessarily mean all Christians have to pledge to poverty. Your “one thing” might not be money. It could be wisdom. Or pride. Even human sexual intimacy and marriage.
The wedding feast and individual charity to individuals in need are different messages, and absolutely command Christians to practice charity and fight need and poverty, but again do not require everyone in the church to give it all away.
Right?
Titus 3:14, etc and so on …
Hey, Cubs are leading their division with Swanson barely hitting above .230.
They're pretty good this year.
Citation to the man "loved" his money and it "was the one thing keeping him from giving his whole heart to God?"
His reaction to the pope’s election was a quote that he falsely attributed to St. Augustine that refers to the Church as a whore. That’s abhorrent, and hardly “pastoral.”
And stop stalking. It’s creepy as hell.
No one is stalking weirdo. It’s a thread. Miserable fck. Eat a bullet already. Do yourself and those around you a favor
Honey could you come in here
what’s up?
What do you think. Of my little scheme of portraying a pastor on an Indiana basketball forum?
Well. Uh. I.
Is there something that you’d ratherrrr be doing. Than working on my little scheme. Of portraying a pastor for decades on a basketball forum?
Accurate portrayals of posters’ own lives isn’t exactly a hallmark (or goal, for that matter) of this little slice of the internets, Slick.Honey could you come in here
what’s up?
What do you think. Of my little scheme of portraying a pastor on an Indiana basketball forum?
Well. Uh. I.
Is there something that you’d ratherrrr be doing. Than working on my little scheme. Of portraying a pastor for decades on a basketball forum?
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