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I am appalled that you would even contemplate that St. Augustine said such a thing. What kind of pastor are you? Read this and maybe you’ll learn something - it includes where that quote was fabricated and why it is so wrong.
Did Augustine really say, “The Church is a whore.”?
I hear this quite frequently, “As St. Augustine said, ‘The Church is a whore, but she’s my Mother.” The problem is that St. Augustine never said that. If you try to run down…
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And you stupidly assumed the attribution was correct without even pondering how absurd it was?
Van, on the subject of referencing, is there a common belief that the Catholic church over the centuries has misinterpreted various passages of the Bible.
That there is no evidence to support the attribution means nothing to him.
Yes, the doctrines of mariology is one example. I would also point out the doctrine of Justification.
I agree with every bit of this post, but with prosperity gospel and evangelicals on the right being so prominent these days, I can see how a lot of people would consider Francis and others as socialists. And I am not in any way insinuating that crazed is in that camp. He’s not.
The responsible way to attribute something to someone is to cite the piece of writing in which the person said it. Instead of just saying, "Augustine said..." you say, "In The City of God, Part I, Book V, Augustine said..."
Did you do that? Did the place you heard this from do that?
From what crazed has shared here about his own thoughts, I think it's safe to say, he's definitely not in that camp. But I do get the feeling that perhaps he is attributing to Francis, et al., an economic argument when they are really merely making a humanitarian argument.
Catholics don’t believe in the prosperity gospel so I’m not sure the relevance of your comment.
Evangelicals? wtf?
Lazy post.
We have non-Catholics talking about the pope, so even Protestant theology is relevant in this particular avenue of discussion.
Most all of my posts are lazy. I load manage myself on the Cooler. 😉What’s your point, because it had nothing to do with what we were talking about?
So you’re on board with the idea that resistance to Francis’ critiques of capitalism was driven by prosperity gospel loving Evangelicals?
Did you bother to read the link I posted? It explains where the false attribution came from. As others have asked, do you have something else? Apparently not since you refuse to provide anything.
And again, it is utterly absurd to think that St. Augustine would have said such a thing. Absolutely unfathomable
Also, the Reformation is over. For centuries. In the real world today, large swaths of Protestants respect the Pope as one of the preeminent leaders of Christendom. One of the results of the ecumenical movement. So it's not exactly a surprise that more than just Catholics would have opinions on these topics.
Ah crap, how many times did VPM say "Moody Bible Institute" in this thread? Because I wasn't paying attention, and therefore I owe some drinks.
A new successor to Peter was announced today and presented to the world following an historic election. Pope Leo XIV is, by all accounts, a good, humble, brilliant and accomplished servant of the church. The fact that your singular reaction to his election consists of a quote equating the church with a whore is disgraceful. You’re an embarrassment, and I’m being kind.
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Wow wow wow. Embarrassing
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If I were going to attend a Christian college, it would have to be St. Olaf. How could any reasonable person ever choose anything other than St. Olaf? Martyred in battle against the Norse pagans. That's a man's way out.#15. Real deal. Community of religious scholars
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Wow wow wow. Embarrassing
Why am I an embarrassment? I preach the Gospel and treat people right. I heard the new Pipe was a Cubs fan and thought it was cool
Ok ne thing is the doctrine of the immaculate conception. Mary in her Magnificat claimed God as her Savior. So Mary was not sinless. Also Paul in Romans 3:23 would disagree with that doctrine because all have sinned except Jesus who was the God Man.
That's fair. There are good theological reasons for the immaculate conception, but they certainly aren't backed specifically by scripture.
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OK. But he declares a causal relationship between globalization and people going into poverty.
In other words, it’s true there are winners and losers in a market economy. But the losers aren’t losing because the winners are winning. And the winners aren’t winning at the expense of those losing.
His solution to this was wealth redistribution.
On Friday, Francis called for the United Nations to promote a "worldwide ethical mobilization" of solidarity with the poor in a new spirit of generosity.
He said a more equal form of economic progress can be had through "the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the state, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society."
This is not a solution to poverty. It’s a recipe for extending and expanding it. We have known very well, for a long time, what things make a nation wealthier and what things make a nation poorer.
But thinking like his, which sounds appealing to many people, has nonetheless prevailed in many places and stood in the way of proper economic development.
Even Bono finally figured this out. China figured it out. Peter Bauer was explaining it decades ago - and got pilloried for it…because he denounced foreign aid.
But he was spot on correct.
But the thing is, the Pope isn't an economist. You're criticizing his economic theory; he doesn't have one. He's just saying, in the economic game of life, these people ended up on the bottom, so let's help them out.
I don't find it remotely surprising at all that the leader of a Christian denomination would say these things.
It’s becoming increasingly evident that the guy who likes a quote that begins “the Church is a whore” is, in fact, an attention whore.
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Van, when you are shown to be factually wrong, the proper response is NOT to argue with the people who have corrected you.
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