Maybe start by being able to trust our officials? They are the ones that eff’d this up from the start. I know it’s probably morbid, and take away the “we developed something” , how many times has the human race went extinct?
Why? The proof is already in, the right wing nut bags were correct to question. You all controlled the message, the messenger and the data and still screwed it up.
you're wrong again. and again and again and again and again and again and again and again. ARE YOU EVER RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING? it was the disingenous conflation of masks and their effectiveness (placebo) and the need to preserve them for healthcare workers etc. It wasn't "opinions changed as more facts were known." what kind of far left echo chamber do you reside that prevents you from getting MORE information and just brainwashes you to the point of being nothing more than a parrot or a hyena?
They presented their professional opinion based on the facts that were known at the time.
www.wsj.com
why don't you read instead of just continuing to post lies? go away. you're a moron. you bring nothing but dogshit to this board. you can say fauci was worried about a run on masks so played loose with the truth in what he thought was the best interest of the country. okay. may or may not be truth. but it's thoughtful. plausible. you just post the party line. like a stupid kid. like a dummy.
Fauci said the masks didn't do jack right when COVID hit then changed his tune days later for absolutely no reason. Well we know the reason but it had absolutely nothing to do with masks working.
They didn't present any of it with opinion. They presented what they were saying as fact. If you get the vaccine you can't get Covid nor can you spread it. Where is there opinion in that? They made it sound like a fact.
That's not a fair criticism. The reason we develop vaccines is to try to promote immunity without the need for people to suffer a natural infection. Those people who nevertheless do suffer a natural infection will almost certainly be conferred with some level of immunity on par with (or even better than) vaccination. Those two sentiments are not inconsistent with each other. WSJ seems to be using the latter to slam people for holding the former, but in reality, both are true.
Opinion | Three Years Late, the Lancet Recognizes Natural Immunity
The public-health clerisy rediscovers a principle of immunology it derided throughout the pandemic.
I also believe both are true, but our political leadership did not. We were requiring vaccinations for people to travel for example, even for those that had COVID and had evidence of natural immunity. Europe accepted the natural immunity for travel as well as vaccinations. I said at the time we should do the same. Our left side didn’t agree.
That's BS also. He said they didn't work when he had NO facts and said it like it was a fact.
Bacteria are bigger than viruses and that experiment is testing bacteria growth. So w.r.t. COVID, that test is testing the wrong thing. Based on that, I am too lazy to look and see what type of masks were being tested but that comes into play as well. Most people wore loose fitting cloth masks and those are not as effective as like N95's (which most people were not wearing).
Yeah I realize that bacteria are larger than viruses but that experiment shows that masks do block stuff and viruses are normally not isolated. At least from what I've read they are normally attached to something like a water droplet which the mask will block some of them. I don't know what virus load you have to receive to really get infected... would 5 do it, 10?, 20? .... you get what I mean. Have you read anything about that?
Well, I mean, it only takes once right?
The problem wasn’t studies it was the verbiage, the dishonesty, and the politicization. Masks provide SOME benefit. Have two people wearing them even better. But Fauci was a mess in messaging from the genesis and in part disingenuous to prevent a run on same when healthcare workers needed them most. Right away there was an inconsistency in messaging in that they were of little to no value yet they needed to be preserved for healthcare workers. Say what?But the virus is carried in water droplets as we exhale. Those droplets, especially as they leave the mouth/nose before evaporation, are big enough to be caught. Here's a study on various masks and the amount of sneeze droplets that get through:
That came from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7757609/
We know initial viral load plays a role in how bad the illness is. So even if it doesn't completely prevent transmission, lowering that viral load is a positive.
There are plenty of other studies:
newsGP - Masks can block 99.9% of COVID-linked droplets: Study
With face masks now mandatory in multiple settings, research shows they are ‘highly effective’ at reducing spread of respiratory droplets.www1.racgp.org.au
This one has a list of studies and outcomes https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
The problem with the OP study is it only reviewed studies from the POV of the non-infected person. As soone as water droplets leave the infected person, they start evaporating. That makes them smaller and more easily able to fit through a mask. So me wearing a mask does very little if the person across from me sneezes in my face. Them wearing the mask? It is definitely protection for me.
And they still didn't work. Yeah, sneezing in your face is worse than having something in between. It is why we teach children to cover their mouths when they sneeze and cough.But the virus is carried in water droplets as we exhale. Those droplets, especially as they leave the mouth/nose before evaporation, are big enough to be caught. Here's a study on various masks and the amount of sneeze droplets that get through:
That came from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7757609/
We know initial viral load plays a role in how bad the illness is. So even if it doesn't completely prevent transmission, lowering that viral load is a positive.
There are plenty of other studies:
newsGP - Masks can block 99.9% of COVID-linked droplets: Study
With face masks now mandatory in multiple settings, research shows they are ‘highly effective’ at reducing spread of respiratory droplets.www1.racgp.org.au
This one has a list of studies and outcomes https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
The problem with the OP study is it only reviewed studies from the POV of the non-infected person. As soone as water droplets leave the infected person, they start evaporating. That makes them smaller and more easily able to fit through a mask. So me wearing a mask does very little if the person across from me sneezes in my face. Them wearing the mask? It is definitely protection for me.
I shared several links of studies saying they work. I have seen one, the OP link, which reviewed only 1/2 of the equation. I don't concede they don't work until we see more studies saying they don't.
definitely. and the language we use is bad. don't work. little is that absolute. some benefit is better stated.
We had millions of infections with social distancing, masks, and a shot. They "work" in a controlled environment when being tested and when using specific types of gear, they don't "work" out in reality because of a myriad of different reasons.
And to be clear, before someone brings it up, a surgical and medical setting with the masks is different because of the massive amount of protocol and procedure that has to be followed with the masking. Comparing that sterilized environment to someone wearing a bandana tied around their face at the grocery is just apples and oranges.
Hoot1 I appreciate your question. I think we are farther away from a consensus on just about anything than ever before. What's more I think we've lost trust in government, at all levels. In terms of "judging from the cooler," it's very important that we remember that the cooler isn't an assemblage of intelligent people - by any stretch of the imagination. Sadly, the stupidity we see here mirrors what we see in society, it's just that somehow people on this board found extra time to post and share their stupidity.
