I think they have until 28 to get things rolling. Also, prices aren't coming down, unless you're on a Bitcoin standard. The system is designed to steal from people. They do need to get wages up. Cutting government waste and lowering taxes will help with that. I agree they need to go fast.
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Yea but poor aren’t paying taxes on individual income. You can back most of that out. Look K1s etc. and again 7 percent of single black men.
Add agents as stoll confirmed they’re going after small business. Low hanging fruit. They don’t have the acumen to jump in at Boeing
But it ain't Boeing that's cheating their taxes and what taxes they are cheating was agreed to in advance or part of generally accepted accounting practices. I assume the majority of tax fraud at a corporate level are those businesses operating in the middle of the spectrum relative to value.
Same principle but we're either going to make them pay or just let them cheat. Firing 6k IRS employees doesn't do much except the latter.
You have to buy pads for your wife too when you hit the grocery? As horrible as it is, just remember one day we might be trading those in for depends.
My point is fwd looking. Marv’s people making $35k is of no moment. The new hires despite representations to the contrary will not be going after centene. Nor will they be going after the county court clerk on a W2 making $41k. They will be going after Queen Alterations in between. Run by a 65 year old Jamaican who will insult you as she works but do same day turn arounds. If we want six thousand agents hassling the Queen so be it. I don’t. And I don’t presume they’re cheats. But as stoll will corroborate she’ll have to pay out the ass to stoll and suffer a hell of an interruption
Then build software to do it. Better software. Have something in your backpocket besides lint.
Or fix the tax code. Have something in gov that actually works and is efficient
I listed the likelihood of being audited by income. People who pay the most are the most likely to be audited.
But, let's play your game. Let's fire the people who look for fraud and see how much revenue comes in and how much EITC goes out. You think it will get better if no one looks for fraud?
Are you of the belief that small businesses can't do fraud?
Here is a person that owned 3 restaurants. Not a huge business:
DOJ: Mexican restaurant owner underreports cash sales by $5.1 million
The owner of several popular Mexican restaurants in Las Vegas has pleaded guilty to tax evasion.
I found it looking for the El Rodeo restaurants in Indy that were caught. They were caught because a customer noticed if one paid by cash they calculated your payment with a calculator and use an open cash drawer for change. In other words, the system never saw the cash come in.
So yes, catch whatever fraud there is. If it gets to the point of speeding laws, no one will be paying taxes but the few of us who are honest and the deficit will be worse.
You listed individuals. Of course the co clerk making $41k on a w 2 isn’t audited. Plus you’re looking backwards. I told you forward who would be the targets: small businesses. Like your el rodeo. And how many other small businesses had accts frozen and all the other bs only to prevail in the end so El rodeo can be caught.I listed the likelihood of being audited by income. People who pay the most are the most likely to be audited.
But, let's play your game. Let's fire the people who look for fraud and see how much revenue comes in and how much EITC goes out. You think it will get better if no one looks for fraud?
Are you of the belief that small businesses can't do fraud?
Here is a person that owned 3 restaurants. Not a huge business:
DOJ: Mexican restaurant owner underreports cash sales by $5.1 million
The owner of several popular Mexican restaurants in Las Vegas has pleaded guilty to tax evasion.www.kold.com
I found it looking for the El Rodeo restaurants in Indy that were caught. They were caught because a customer noticed if one paid by cash they calculated your payment with a calculator and use an open cash drawer for change. In other words, the system never saw the cash come in.
So yes, catch whatever fraud there is. If it gets to the point of speeding laws, no one will be paying taxes but the few of us who are honest and the deficit will be worse.
I just want honesty. If that’s what we want to do. Fine. But don’t lie like Biden and pretend all those new hires are going after billionaires. They don’t have the skills. They’re going after low hanging fruit. Queen B alterations.
Again, people in the highest income have the highest odds of being audited. Wasn't it like 4% of them being audited. But the president, as head of the executive branch, has the power to change priorities. He could order treasury to focus on rich people. Between 1-3% of small businesses are audited. So that is still below the chances of a millionaire. But there are more small businesses, so more businesses are audited though small business individual odds are worse.
How Often Do Small Businesses Get Audited? Types & Triggers
Small business owners worry about audits because they can be random, time-consuming, & costly. Luckily, a monthly accountant can advise and represent you! Let's discuss different types of audits, when they occur, & their triggers.
blog.csiaccounting.com
I know people in many service fields that are cash-only. It makes sense, it is pretty easy to cheat with cash only. So if you get tips and take cash only, it is pretty easy to hide some of the tips. I don't have a problem with them running a risk of getting audited. But if we want to focus higher up the food chain, the prez can do that. Note that Trump has said for 8 years he is being audited. So what does that say about rich people being audited or wanting to focus up the food chain?
Watched an extremely interesting guest appearance on C-Span by Paul Dans who was the director of the Heritage Foundation 2025 Project.
In listening to Dans it became clear to me that the main thrust of DOGE is to dismantle the leftist federal bureaucracy, which in the view of people such as Dans has become the fourth branch of government, thus altering the three-branch government of checks and balances established under our constitution.
Thus, it isn't a power grab by the executive branch. It is a planned program to restore government as envisioned by the Founders.
In listening to Dans it became clear to me that the main thrust of DOGE is to dismantle the leftist federal bureaucracy, which in the view of people such as Dans has become the fourth branch of government, thus altering the three-branch government of checks and balances established under our constitution.
Thus, it isn't a power grab by the executive branch. It is a planned program to restore government as envisioned by the Founders.
Feel free to show the math, twenty. They've added thousands (I read 20k, but can't find an exact number) of IRS agents under Biden. What was the 600b as a percentage in 2021? What is the percentage now? I'll agree with you if the math adds up. I'm not fine with some dopey person's projections that are rarely correct.
Trump I don’t believe is representative of anything. I agree with much of what you write. My primary point is the mass of new hires will target low hanging fruit irrespective of what reps are made. That’s small and micro bizAgain, people in the highest income have the highest odds of being audited. Wasn't it like 4% of them being audited. But the president, as head of the executive branch, has the power to change priorities. He could order treasury to focus on rich people. Between 1-3% of small businesses are audited. So that is still below the chances of a millionaire. But there are more small businesses, so more businesses are audited though small business individual odds are worse.
How Often Do Small Businesses Get Audited? Types & Triggers
Small business owners worry about audits because they can be random, time-consuming, & costly. Luckily, a monthly accountant can advise and represent you! Let's discuss different types of audits, when they occur, & their triggers.
I know people in many service fields that are cash-only. It makes sense, it is pretty easy to cheat with cash only. So if you get tips and take cash only, it is pretty easy to hide some of the tips. I don't have a problem with them running a risk of getting audited. But if we want to focus higher up the food chain, the prez can do that. Note that Trump has said for 8 years he is being audited. So what does that say about rich people being audited or wanting to focus up the food chain?
IRS has been short staffed for decades. I think they had just gotten back to the staffing levels that they had in 2000. But that's clearly a temporary bump as it'll be going back down again. It's budget had been cut for years prior to 2021. And the funding bump they saw from the IRA was quickly reduced once the GOP was back in control of the House.
Again, people in the highest income have the highest odds of being audited. Wasn't it like 4% of them being audited. But the president, as head of the executive branch, has the power to change priorities. He could order treasury to focus on rich people. Between 1-3% of small businesses are audited. So that is still below the chances of a millionaire. But there are more small businesses, so more businesses are audited though small business individual odds are worse.
How Often Do Small Businesses Get Audited? Types & Triggers
Small business owners worry about audits because they can be random, time-consuming, & costly. Luckily, a monthly accountant can advise and represent you! Let's discuss different types of audits, when they occur, & their triggers.
I know people in many service fields that are cash-only. It makes sense, it is pretty easy to cheat with cash only. So if you get tips and take cash only, it is pretty easy to hide some of the tips. I don't have a problem with them running a risk of getting audited. But if we want to focus higher up the food chain, the prez can do that. Note that Trump has said for 8 years he is being audited. So what does that say about rich people being audited or wanting to focus up the food chain?
It had been estimated the underground economy (cash and barter) is equivalent to about 25% of the official GDP.
I justified my cheating on federal and state income tax returns when running small businesses by telling myself "everyone does it". Faced several IRS audits and passed with flying colors.
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That may require more work. The biggest, ANERA, has worked to build housing in Gaza and other places. Does that mean they are terrorist linked? It appears they built shelters in locations that may have been at least partially selected by a terrorist related org.
It may be that terrorists were getting the money. At the same point, it may be much of it was helping ordinary Gazans. So it may not be fair to count the total amount as going to terrorists any more than all aid going to Northern Ireland in 1980 went to NRA terrorists. The real amount probably takes work.
US-funded NGO Aid Benefiting Hamas: Mercy Corps and ANERA Operations in Gaza - ngomonitor
At least two US-funded organizations – Mercy Corps and American Near East Refugee Aid (ANERA) – appear to have closely coordinated with a Gaza-based ministry, run by a senior Hamas official identified by the US Treasury Department as previously responsible for part of Hamas’ smuggling operation.
ngo-monitor.org
Of course the new agents will be going after the little guy when first hired. After a few years they will be handling larger, more complicated returns. No profession gives new hires the most complicated work. Are lawyers working on multi-billion dollar contracts/law suits straight out of law school?
I'll tell you one thing the DOGE shutdowns haven't slowed down...
Text messages from Dem-related groups crying foul. Getting at least 10 a day. Outta nowhere.
They're kicking my ass. WTF?!?
Text messages from Dem-related groups crying foul. Getting at least 10 a day. Outta nowhere.
They're kicking my ass. WTF?!?
I’ve got news for you, it’s not just Dems. I had lunch today with five guys who work at a DoD institute which was where I worked for my last three years in the Navy. All five of these guys work there as federal workers, all five are Republicans, four were big Trump fans, the other said he held his nose and voted for him. All five are very much pissed about the idea that federal workers don’t work hard and basically all expendable. Final straw for all was the weekend email from OPM (at Musk’s direction) to all federal workers to basically justify their jobs by responding to the OPM email with a list of at least five of last week’s accomplishments. They’re pissed not because it’s hard (it’s easy) but because neither OPM nor Musk are in their chain of command and they have a boss to answer to. It’s not OPM’s responsibility and they don’t have authority to demand a justification for their existence by midnight tonight. I’ve said it before because it’s true, the DoD is majority Republican with a ton of them MAGA, and they are very unhappy. They are also pissed at a Republican Congress which is doing nothing about the shit show because they are cowards. This is the wrong way to reduce the size of government which we all support. The shit show approach is unnecessary and will hurt Republicans in the next election. Don’t expect to have a Republican majority in Congress after the 2026 election.
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Says the guy that said Trump wouldn’t get elected! Maybe you should watch Fox News so you can see who the next Cabinet member will be! They’re all former contributors!
Obviously only requirement for a job in Trump admin is to have been on Fox and eat Don's fat ass
Without reading this entire thread has anyone asked could Trump achieve the same goals without Musk? If the answer is yes, shouldn’t he consider letting Musk go? Seems Elon will continue to become a liability.
I guess my other question is if Trump and Musk have a falling out at some point what might Trump lose from this relationship other than Elon’s ability to promote Trump on X and financially support him. Who needs eachother more at this point?
I guess my other question is if Trump and Musk have a falling out at some point what might Trump lose from this relationship other than Elon’s ability to promote Trump on X and financially support him. Who needs eachother more at this point?
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