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The Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group . . .

It doesn’t have any bearing on this “mishap”. I never said it did. I don’t think you read my second link. This “mishap” neutralized the strike group because we have no back up. We have no backup because of failure to meet recruitment goals. For many reasons, white males are dropping out of many important jobs. I think that is a problem.

I agree with you but let’s focus on this as opposed to many important jobs. Otherwise, it’s just going to turn into a pissing contest and your point is going to get lost in about 3 posts
 
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I agree with you but let’s focus on this as opposed to many important jobs. Otherwise, it’s just going to turn into a pissing contest and your point is going to get lost in about 3 posts
I get the point. The lack of military recruits is one part of a much bigger issue. But, especially in this case, it’s a threat to safety and could be the cause of more bloodshed.
 
My son has mentioned maybe applying to the Naval Academy or doing ROTC. Wonder if this situation would help his chances.
Wow!!! Big time. I have an old soccer friend who played at navy. He hated it and left. Many years ago obviously so probably doesn’t mean much. He actually moved to Carmel. Loved that life. Obviously. Did navy help him know he deserves the best? Maybe
 
Is he any good at athletics? I think all Cadets and Midshipmen have to play a varsity sport. I could be wrong about that, but I know a guy who went there (50 years ago) and he said it was a requirement.
Still a requirement, however, club and intramural sports suffice.
 
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Are we ready to start talking about compulsory national service?
No. Conscripts typically suck when speaking in military terms and I think the same would hold true in the "other services" you guys talked about up above as well. The last thing you want is someone in the 18-22 age range forced to having to take care of like the elderly. That is something that takes a level of empathy and understanding that not everyone has, let alone young adults in that age range.

My opinion.
 
No. Conscripts typically suck when speaking in military terms and I think the same would hold true in the "other services" you guys talked about up above as well. The last thing you want is someone in the 18-22 age range forced to having to take care of like the elderly. That is something that takes a level of empathy and understanding that not everyone has, let alone young adults in that age range.

My opinion.
Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.
 
No. Conscripts typically suck when speaking in military terms and I think the same would hold true in the "other services" you guys talked about up above as well. The last thing you want is someone in the 18-22 age range forced to having to take care of like the elderly. That is something that takes a level of empathy and understanding that not everyone has, let alone young adults in that age range.

My opinion.

I think conscripts is the wrong term. Over time it would be expected and inevitable. Attitudes would change. And, as Univee noted, there's plenty of shit work to go around that needs done.
 
So, he stole from Judge Smails, too?
Haven't we all....

"i've sent boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to, felt I OWED it to them"

"This is (fill in the blank golf club) sir, and I never slice!"

"Oh Billy, billy, billy..."

"Chop Chop"

"Don't you people have homes?"

And, of couse (though not Judge Smails related) whenever I'm given the opporunity to answer how I measure myself against anything, I offer up the Ty Webb response "by height".
 
Haven't we all....

"i've sent boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to, felt I OWED it to them"

"This is (fill in the blank golf club) sir, and I never slice!"

"Oh Billy, billy, billy..."

"Chop Chop"

"Don't you people have homes?"

And, of couse (though not Judge Smails related) whenever I'm given the opporunity to answer how I measure myself against anything, I offer up the Ty Webb response "by height".
I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don’t tell them you’re Jewish.
 
I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don’t tell them you’re Jewish.
You'll get nothing and like it!! (personal usage in the hundres of times at this point)

Lacey Underalls: Here's a check for $70,000
Ty Webb: Keep it
Lacey Underalls: And a summons....


Ty Webb: What's wrong with lumberyards? I own two of them.
Danny: I notice you don't spend a lot of time there.
Ty Webb: I'm not really sure where they are.
 
Is one of the most lethal forces on the planet. It is positioned in the Persian Gulf. It’s now nothing more than a collection of floating funny looking excursion boats. Why? It can’t get more jet fuel. The Navy’s oiler attached to the strike group ran aground and is out of service. Our navy has no ready replacement. Why? Because of failure to meet recruiting goals, the Navy sidelined logistical ships.



Why can’t we meet recruiting goals? Many reasons and the issue is complicated. But we do know that white males are dropping out of everything, from being students to being accomplished tradesmen, well-educated professionals and signing up for the military.

We have a problem.
In many public schools white males are at the end of the serving line.
 
Is he any good at athletics? I think all Cadets and Midshipmen have to play a varsity sport. I could be wrong about that, but I know a guy who went there (50 years ago) and he said it was a requirement.
No. Most, but not all, that were accepted played a varsity support in High School. It’s not a requirement at the USNA or at NROTC units. They have a ton of intramural sports most play but not a hard requirement.
 
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Is he any good at athletics? I think all Cadets and Midshipmen have to play a varsity sport. I could be wrong about that, but I know a guy who went there (50 years ago) and he said it was a requirement.
Good? No. I'm not sure if he'll go through with it or not but I'd love it if he did.

Re requirements, you do not have to have played varsity to qualify. You do have to pass a fairly rigorous fitness test:

Maximum Performance Scores by Event and Gender:​

B-Ball ThrowPull-UpsShuttle RunCrunchesPush-Ups1-Mile
Male102187.895755:20
Female6678.695506:00

Testing Sequence​

The test sequence will follow the order listed below. This order cannot be modified. There are no exceptions to this sequence or timing.

EventsTest Start TimeTesting TimeRestTotal Elapsed Time
Basketball Throw0:002 minutes3 minutes5:00
Pull-Ups5:002 minutes3 minutes10:00
Shuttle Run10:002 minutes3 minutes15:00
Crunches15:002 minutes3 minutes20:00
Push-Ups20:002 minutes3 minutes25:00
1-Mile Run30:0010 minutes5 minutes*40:00
* The 5-minute rest includes the transition time to the outdoor track. If the 1-mile run cannot be started by minute 30, an alternative arrangement for a running surface must be found.
 
Good? No. I'm not sure if he'll go through with it or not but I'd love it if he did.

Re requirements, you do not have to have played varsity to qualify. You do have to pass a fairly rigorous fitness test:

Maximum Performance Scores by Event and Gender:​

B-Ball ThrowPull-UpsShuttle RunCrunchesPush-Ups1-Mile
Male102187.895755:20
Female6678.695506:00


Testing Sequence​

The test sequence will follow the order listed below. This order cannot be modified. There are no exceptions to this sequence or timing.

EventsTest Start TimeTesting TimeRestTotal Elapsed Time
Basketball Throw0:002 minutes3 minutes5:00
Pull-Ups5:002 minutes3 minutes10:00
Shuttle Run10:002 minutes3 minutes15:00
Crunches15:002 minutes3 minutes20:00
Push-Ups20:002 minutes3 minutes25:00
1-Mile Run30:0010 minutes5 minutes*40:00
* The 5-minute rest includes the transition time to the outdoor track. If the 1-mile run cannot be started by minute 30, an alternative arrangement for a running surface must be found.
Damn that's no joke.
 
Damn that's no joke.
From another site. I don't understand why there would be a maximum:

Women

  • Maximums: 85 push-ups,* timed front-plank, 9:35 1.5 mile run
  • Minimums: 20 push-ups, timed front-plank, 12:40 1.5 mile run
Men

  • Maximums: 101 push-ups, timed front-plank, 8:15 1.5 mile run
  • Minimums: 45 push-ups, timed front-plank, 10:30 1.5 mile run
 
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I’m going to show my daughter this tonight
No you won't, she 13. You will hold it up and talk for 12 minutes, she will never look up from her phone, but node her head every 2 minutes, then you will say "good talk" and walk away. When you are 20' away, she will look up and mumble, did you need something? in an audible that is to low for you to hear to beging with.
And life is lather, rinse, repeat.
 
No you won't, she 13. You will hold it up and talk for 12 minutes, she will never look up from her phone, but node her head every 2 minutes, then you will say "good talk" and walk away. When you are 20' away, she will look up and mumble, did you need something? in an audible that is to low for you to hear to beging with.
And life is lather, rinse, repeat.
Her phone wouldn’t charge last night. Was epic
 
Is one of the most lethal forces on the planet. It is positioned in the Persian Gulf. It’s now nothing more than a collection of floating funny looking excursion boats. Why? It can’t get more jet fuel. The Navy’s oiler attached to the strike group ran aground and is out of service. Our navy has no ready replacement. Why? Because of failure to meet recruiting goals, the Navy sidelined logistical ships.



Why can’t we meet recruiting goals? Many reasons and the issue is complicated. But we do know that white males are dropping out of everything, from being students to being accomplished tradesmen, well-educated professionals and signing up for the military.

We have a problem.
That strike group remains an operating strike group and it will be refueled. There are other sources in the Middle East including refueling in port.

The problem with logistics ships has been years in developing. We’re not replacing aging ships fast enough and the merchant marine workforce (civilians that man the USNS auxiliary ships) has been contracting and it needs expanded. This is a separate issue from Navy active duty recruiting. There are challenges there too. You recognized it was complicated but emphasized white males dropping out as being the problem. Maybe, a small factor, but not the primary or secondary. The primary factors are that the military life is tough and only a fraction of serving age people qualify and the Navy (and the rest of the military has to compete against the civilian sector for them. It’s tougher when the economy is good.
 
That’s what we need to find out. Where the hell is Aloha? Probably eating wings and drinking Bud Lite
I don’t know either. Usually boils down to equipment failure or personnel error - or a combination of both. I don’t know any more than in the article now.
 
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Good? No. I'm not sure if he'll go through with it or not but I'd love it if he did.

Re requirements, you do not have to have played varsity to qualify. You do have to pass a fairly rigorous fitness test:

Maximum Performance Scores by Event and Gender:​

B-Ball ThrowPull-UpsShuttle RunCrunchesPush-Ups1-Mile
Male102187.895755:20
Female6678.695506:00


Testing Sequence​

The test sequence will follow the order listed below. This order cannot be modified. There are no exceptions to this sequence or timing.

EventsTest Start TimeTesting TimeRestTotal Elapsed Time
Basketball Throw0:002 minutes3 minutes5:00
Pull-Ups5:002 minutes3 minutes10:00
Shuttle Run10:002 minutes3 minutes15:00
Crunches15:002 minutes3 minutes20:00
Push-Ups20:002 minutes3 minutes25:00
1-Mile Run30:0010 minutes5 minutes*40:00
* The 5-minute rest includes the transition time to the outdoor track. If the 1-mile run cannot be started by minute 30, an alternative arrangement for a running surface must be found.
Those are maximums. I couldn’t do all those at my peak.
 
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I could.

Problem is I couldn’t swim 30 yards. Or 5 feet in the ocean
I could easily do the maximum for the swim which is an alternative to the run. I’ve gotten the max for everything but the run at some point, but I just can’t run that fast. My goal was to beat at least half the ship on the run and I did that even when I was almost 20 years older than the crew average age.
 
I could easily do the maximum for the swim which is an alternative to the run. I’ve gotten the max for everything but the run at some point, but I just can’t run that fast. My goal was to beat at least half the ship on the run and I did that even when I was almost 20 years older than the crew average age.
Wow!!! I deleted my post. I missed the pull-ups.
 
Wow!!! I deleted my post. I missed the pull-ups.
Pull ups weren’t part of the test when I was in. It was push-ups, sit-ups and run or swim. It was timed and one after another. The last few years I stopped a little above minimum for pushups because I had arthritis developing in my shoulders and it was painful to do pushups. I could still max sit-ups and get a decent run time so I didn’t bother with the swim. Besides the crew wanted a chance to beat the boss and only a few swam and they couldn’t beat me in the pool. They had a chance to beat me running and about half would.
 
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It doesn’t have any bearing on this “mishap”. I never said it did. I don’t think you read my second link. This “mishap” neutralized the strike group because we have no back up. We have no backup because of failure to meet recruitment goals. For many reasons, white males are dropping out of many important jobs. I think that is a problem.
The labor market is tightening for obvious reasons. Are white males dropping out, or getting better jobs?

With limited resources, shouldn't the Admirals be responsible if this strike group is so important? This seems like a failure inside the Navy.

"You go to war with the navy you have, not the navy you want or wish to have at a later time."
 
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