stat of the day: 6 x 10pt scorers

[TR32]

For those of you fretting about the preseason Kenny pompom predictions, know this....

In the history of Indiana basketball, they have never gone into a season with 6 players who scored 10ppg or more the previous season for a major program.

Reneau
Mgbako
Galloway
Ballo
Rice
Carlyle

There you go.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

For those of you fretting about the preseason Kenny pompom predictions, know this....

In the history of Indiana basketball, they have never gone into a season with 6 players who scored 10ppg or more the previous season for a major program.

Reneau
Mgbako
Galloway
Ballo
Rice
Carlyle

There you go.

The fretting is about the guy patrolling the sidelines

 

[Blimpy]

For those of you fretting about the preseason Kenny pompom predictions, know this....

In the history of Indiana basketball, they have never gone into a season with 6 players who scored 10ppg or more the previous season for a major program.

Reneau
Mgbako
Galloway
Ballo
Rice
Carlyle

There you go.

Shooting % will have to increase dramatically, or a couple of these players won't be scoring in double digits, not enough shots to go around, Who backs up Ballo? Can IU get anything from their bench? Who is going to score from deep? Is IU going to play defense? Rebounding, IU has been very average? Free Throws, can Ballo make 50%, can the team make over 70%? Will the weak non-conference get IU ready for the BT or is it just a confidence booster for Woody? Turnovers, does IU have a true point guard?

 

[IUNorth]

Shooting % will have to increase dramatically, or a couple of these players won't be scoring in double digits, not enough shots to go around, Who backs up Ballo? Can IU get anything from their bench? Who is going to score from deep? Is IU going to play defense? Rebounding, IU has been very average? Free Throws, can Ballo make 50%, can the team make over 70%? Will the weak non-conference get IU ready for the BT or is it just a confidence booster for Woody? Turnovers, does IU have a true point guard?

-IU will slide Reneau over to the center position when Ballo is out. And then Hatton will back both of them up for short stints.
-Yes, they'll have Tucker, Goode, and Galloway or Carlyle on their bench. Much better blend of talent and proven experience than Purdue has on their bench...as an example.
-Mgbako will be one of the better perimeter shooters in the conference. Goode is a good shooter. And then Rice and Carlyle are both gonna be decent shooters, I'm sure.
-I assume they intend on playing defense, yes. Ballo will help with that, Rice is a good defender, Mgbako made huge strides last year as the season wore on, Galloway will be defending his natural position more and is really good when doing so, Cupps won't need to play as much, so when he gets his minutes, he'll be an elite level on ball defender. I like our defense better than Purdue's, as an example.
-Ballo is a beast on the boards, he'll help our rebounding. Other than that, we should be fairly long and athletic, I doubt this will be a weakness.
-Who knows on free throws? Mgbako and Reneau should get a lot of them. Rice and Carlyle hopefully generate some free throw opportunities, they're both solid.
-Non conference schedules preparing for the B10 are vastly over rated. Not many teams outside the B10 play prison ball like Purdue and MSU and Illinois and Wisconsin and Rutgers...so there's really no "preparing for B10 play". Its more about preparing for the NCAAs. For that, they play in Bahamas, that'll be a good team building experience and will help them with multi day travel. Other than that, I just hope they head in to B10 play healthy.
-Rice is going to be one of the better PGs in the conference, if not the best PG in the conference. So...yeah...we've got a PG.

 

[kkott]

Shooting % will have to increase dramatically, or a couple of these players won't be scoring in double digits, not enough shots to go around, Who backs up Ballo? Can IU get anything from their bench? Who is going to score from deep? Is IU going to play defense? Rebounding, IU has been very average? Free Throws, can Ballo make 50%, can the team make over 70%? Will the weak non-conference get IU ready for the BT or is it just a confidence booster for Woody? Turnovers, does IU have a true point guard?

you forgot one more: "why are you here?"

Nevermind, we all know the answer to that.

 

[IUNorth]

Shooting % will have to increase dramatically, or a couple of these players won't be scoring in double digits, not enough shots to go around, Who backs up Ballo? Can IU get anything from their bench? Who is going to score from deep? Is IU going to play defense? Rebounding, IU has been very average? Free Throws, can Ballo make 50%, can the team make over 70%? Will the weak non-conference get IU ready for the BT or is it just a confidence booster for Woody? Turnovers, does IU have a true point guard?

How will Purdue deal with teams that have fast, long, athletic backcourts...on both ends of the court?

Defensively, Smith and Loyer are liabilities, ESPECIALLY without Edey in there to funnel players to. Colvin has never been a good defender. Heide is decent, TKR is decent but he isn't going to effect the game a ton on that end. Do they need the freshmen to help defensively? That's not great, if so. Or are they good being an average/mediocre defensive team with the hopes that Smith, Loyer, TKR, whoever else can be THAT good offensively?

Offensively, the obvious question mark is what will guys like Smith, Loyer, and TKR look like with people actually guarding them this year. In years past, when teams decided to guard them, and not double and triple team Edey...they've looked very, very mediocre. Do they NEED new guys to step in and be really good offensively? That's also not good if they do, because none of them are proven. And all we've been hearing out of you PU fans is how Painter develops kids over time. Colvin, Heide, and then the freshmen, don't have a lot of time.

There's a lot more hopes and assumptions being made up in Hamelot than most are calling out.

 

[chaser23]

-IU will slide Reneau over to the center position when Ballo is out. And then Hatton will back both of them up for short stints.
-Yes, they'll have Tucker, Goode, and Galloway or Carlyle on their bench. Much better blend of talent and proven experience than Purdue has on their bench...as an example.
-Mgbako will be one of the better perimeter shooters in the conference. Goode is a good shooter. And then Rice and Carlyle are both gonna be decent shooters, I'm sure.
-I assume they intend on playing defense, yes. Ballo will help with that, Rice is a good defender, Mgbako made huge strides last year as the season wore on, Galloway will be defending his natural position more and is really good when doing so, Cupps won't need to play as much, so when he gets his minutes, he'll be an elite level on ball defender. I like our defense better than Purdue's, as an example.
-Ballo is a beast on the boards, he'll help our rebounding. Other than that, we should be fairly long and athletic, I doubt this will be a weakness.
-Who knows on free throws? Mgbako and Reneau should get a lot of them. Rice and Carlyle hopefully generate some free throw opportunities, they're both solid.
-Non conference schedules preparing for the B10 are vastly over rated. Not many teams outside the B10 play prison ball like Purdue and MSU and Illinois and Wisconsin and Rutgers...so there's really no "preparing for B10 play". Its more about preparing for the NCAAs. For that, they play in Bahamas, that'll be a good team building experience and will help them with multi day travel. Other than that, I just hope they head in to B10 play healthy.
-Rice is going to be one of the better PGs in the conference, if not the best PG in the conference. So...yeah...we've got a PG.

You saved me some typing. Not sure Blimpy is much of a fan. “ Do we have a PG” ? Seriously? Rice and Cupps form a great PG duo with Carlyle and Galloway able to give you spot duty there.

 

[IndyResident16]

You saved me some typing. Not sure Blimpy is much of a fan. “ Do we have a PG” ? Seriously? Rice and Cupps form a great PG duo with Carlyle and Galloway able to give you spot duty there.

He's a fatty chasing, Purdue troll and a bad one at that.

 

[IUNorth]

You saved me some typing. Not sure Blimpy is much of a fan. “ Do we have a PG” ? Seriously? Rice and Cupps form a great PG duo with Carlyle and Galloway able to give you spot duty there.

When you dig in to it, and really think about it, we went from very, very questionable from a lead guard and ball handling depth perspective... to it becoming a huge strength. Possibly to the point of having one of the better PG/Lead guard/ball handling rotations in the conference.

-X was wildly inconsistent...and for a team that lacked consistency overall...not good.
-Trey actually showed flashes of brilliance in X's absence, but also was very inconsistent. He should never be THE PG. He won't need to be this year.
-Cupps just wasn't ready to run a higher level, P4 conference contending team. He did "fine" in some ways. I think he's actually perfectly suited for what his role likely will be this year. 12-15 minutes most games of really, really solid leading of the offense, and really good on the ball defense.

Rice...P4 all conference level PG. Leader. Consistently good. Can't stress how huge a pickup he was.
Cupps...Should be one of the better backup PGs in the conference. Most games he won't need to play a ton, but 10-15 minutes, of solid reliable backup PG play, should help our consistency a lot.
And then Galloway and Carlyle both spent time last year playing lead guard, out of position, but both showed they're more than capable of doing it. So when we face teams that have elite level perimeter defenses, that are capable of bothering Rice, Galloway and/or Carlyle will be huge assets.

This is another area I'll take IU's situation over Purdue's. Even factoring in how good Smith has been in the past.

 

[kkott]

When you dig in to it, and really think about it, we went from very, very questionable from a lead guard and ball handling depth perspective... to it becoming a huge strength. Possibly to the point of having one of the better PG/Lead guard/ball handling rotations in the conference.

-X was wildly inconsistent...and for a team that lacked consistency overall...not good.
-Trey actually showed flashes of brilliance in X's absence, but also was very inconsistent. He should never be THE PG. He won't need to be this year.
-Cupps just wasn't ready to run a higher level, P4 conference contending team. He did "fine" in some ways. I think he's actually perfectly suited for what his role likely will be this year. 12-15 minutes most games of really, really solid leading of the offense, and really good on the ball defense.

Rice...P4 all conference level PG. Leader. Consistently good. Can't stress how huge a pickup he was.
Cupps...Should be one of the better backup PGs in the conference. Most games he won't need to play a ton, but 10-15 minutes, of solid reliable backup PG play, should help our consistency a lot.
And then Galloway and Carlyle both spent time last year playing lead guard, out of position, but both showed they're more than capable of doing it. So when we face teams that have elite level perimeter defenses, that are capable of bothering Rice, Galloway and/or Carlyle will be huge assets.

This is another area I'll take IU's situation over Purdue's. Even factoring in how good Smith has been in the past.

don't know if it was by injury, but wasn't Carlyle essentially Stanford's PG/lead guard most of the year?

I'm not really worried about Carlyle, Rice or Galloway's 3 pt shooting this year. With so many other scoring options, I think they'll be able to hunt good shots and pass on questionable ones they had to take last year. I also think Rice just wore out at the end of the season as he was something like 0-22 to end the season, so a reasonable % there and he'd have been an OK shooter last year. They've all had a year to work and develop and all will be able to me more selective with their shots this year. I think all 3 will be in the mid-upper 30s on 3 pt shooting and will also improve their overall FG%.

 

[asindc]

Shooting % will have to increase dramatically, or a couple of these players won't be scoring in double digits, not enough shots to go around, Who backs up Ballo? Can IU get anything from their bench? Who is going to score from deep? Is IU going to play defense? Rebounding, IU has been very average? Free Throws, can Ballo make 50%, can the team make over 70%? Will the weak non-conference get IU ready for the BT or is it just a confidence booster for Woody? Turnovers, does IU have a true point guard?

The point isn’t that six IU players will average double figures in scoring, it’s that six IU players have the demonstrated ability to average double figures in scoring. It speaks to the potential depth of the team.

 

[Willray]

-IU will slide Reneau over to the center position when Ballo is out. And then Hatton will back both of them up for short stints.
-Yes, they'll have Tucker, Goode, and Galloway or Carlyle on their bench. Much better blend of talent and proven experience than Purdue has on their bench...as an example.
-Mgbako will be one of the better perimeter shooters in the conference. Goode is a good shooter. And then Rice and Carlyle are both gonna be decent shooters, I'm sure.
-I assume they intend on playing defense, yes. Ballo will help with that, Rice is a good defender, Mgbako made huge strides last year as the season wore on, Galloway will be defending his natural position more and is really good when doing so, Cupps won't need to play as much, so when he gets his minutes, he'll be an elite level on ball defender. I like our defense better than Purdue's, as an example.
-Ballo is a beast on the boards, he'll help our rebounding. Other than that, we should be fairly long and athletic, I doubt this will be a weakness.
-Who knows on free throws? Mgbako and Reneau should get a lot of them. Rice and Carlyle hopefully generate some free throw opportunities, they're both solid.
-Non conference schedules preparing for the B10 are vastly over rated. Not many teams outside the B10 play prison ball like Purdue and MSU and Illinois and Wisconsin and Rutgers...so there's really no "preparing for B10 play". Its more about preparing for the NCAAs. For that, they play in Bahamas, that'll be a good team building experience and will help them with multi day travel. Other than that, I just hope they head in to B10 play healthy.
-Rice is going to be one of the better PGs in the conference, if not the best PG in the conference. So...yeah...we've got a PG.

That's a lot of positive in one post. Not sure if Blimpy can handle or grasp that IU may just be better than his Boilers.

 

[T.M.P.]

Shooting % will have to increase dramatically, or a couple of these players won't be scoring in double digits, not enough shots to go around, Who backs up Ballo? Can IU get anything from their bench? Who is going to score from deep? Is IU going to play defense? Rebounding, IU has been very average? Free Throws, can Ballo make 50%, can the team make over 70%? Will the weak non-conference get IU ready for the BT or is it just a confidence booster for Woody? Turnovers, does IU have a true point guard?

STFU

 

[T.M.P.]

For those of you fretting about the preseason Kenny pompom predictions, know this....

In the history of Indiana basketball, they have never gone into a season with 6 players who scored 10ppg or more the previous season for a major program.

Reneau
Mgbako
Galloway
Ballo
Rice
Carlyle

There you go.

UCLA has 8? USC probably has more than that. FWIW this is very common with teams that got quality transfers.

 

[Imsowyctcwuzbetta]

The fretting is about the guy patrolling the sidelines

Useless fretting agreed!

 

[steelyvan]

don't know if it was by injury, but wasn't Carlyle essentially Stanford's PG/lead guard most of the year?

I'm not really worried about Carlyle, Rice or Galloway's 3 pt shooting this year. With so many other scoring options, I think they'll be able to hunt good shots and pass on questionable ones they had to take last year. I also think Rice just wore out at the end of the season as he was something like 0-22 to end the season, so a reasonable % there and he'd have been an OK shooter last year. They've all had a year to work and develop and all will be able to me more selective with their shots this year. I think all 3 will be in the mid-upper 30s on 3 pt shooting and will also improve their overall FG%.

this is just a big red flag for me. i remain optimistic. but the three guys mentioned all averaged 1 made 3ptr per game.
expecting all of them to become ~ 35% shooters is a reach.

 

[IndyResident16]

this is just a big red flag for me. i remain optimistic. but the three guys mentioned all averaged 1 made 3ptr per game.
expecting all of them to become ~ 35% shooters is a reach.

Two of them were first year players. Carlyle's freshman year 3pt per game stats are almost identical to that of Fletcher Loyer. I don't think anyone ever questioned if Loyer could shoot.

 

[steelyvan]

Two of them were first year players. Carlyle's freshman year 3pt per game stats are almost identical to that of Fletcher Loyer. I don't think anyone ever questioned if Loyer could shoot.

i questioned if Loyer is a true shooter. and i still do. especially if someone is guarding him.
clock is ticking. we will learn a bit more in just 11 days.

 

[Tru2Irish]

The fretting is about the guy patrolling the sidelines

Waiting for the hockey type substitutions -5 in 5 out Woody style.

 

[T.M.P.]

Waiting for the hockey type substitutions -5 in 5 out Woody style.

hyperbole.

 

[IUgradman]

The fretting is about the guy patrolling the sidelines

He mostly sits.

 

[Blimpy]

Two of them were first year players. Carlyle's freshman year 3pt per game stats are almost identical to that of Fletcher Loyer. I don't think anyone ever questioned if Loyer could shoot.

They were close if you compare freshmen stats, but Loyer was know as a shooter in high school. Loyer proved his sophomore year he is true shooter, shot 44% for the year and almost 50% his last 25 games. Loyer did play on a team that went 29-6, Stanford was a bad team that went 14-18 and Carlyle was the 4th leading scorer. The stats that sticks out for me about Carlyle was his turnovers. 66 turnovers with only 62 assists? Another stat is he only had 9 steals, Loyer had 30, Braden Smith had 62 steals with 292 assists!

 

[T.M.P.]

They were close if you compare freshmen stats, but Loyer was know as a shooter in high school. Loyer proved his sophomore year he is true shooter, shot 44% for the year and almost 50% his last 25 games. Loyer did play on a team that went 29-6, Stanford was a bad team that went 14-18 and Carlyle was the 4th leading scorer. The stats that sticks out for me about Carlyle was his turnovers. 66 turnovers with only 62 assists? Another stat is he only had 9 steals, Loyer had 30, Braden Smith had 62 steals with 292 assists!

No validation awarded, hang a banner or STFU.

 

[TR32]

UCLA has 8? USC probably has more than that. FWIW this is very common with teams that got quality transfers.

Never at IU though. And it simply means they have better scoring options on the floor this year.

The flipside of this is lacking a returning 17-22ppg scorer. That helps too obviously.

 

[T.M.P.]

The flipside of this is lacking a returning 17-22ppg scorer. That helps too obviously.

Hopefully someone breaks out. 18+.

 

[kkott]

Two of them were first year players. Carlyle's freshman year 3pt per game stats are almost identical to that of Fletcher Loyer. I don't think anyone ever questioned if Loyer could shoot.

And they all had to carry much more of the backcourt load, distributing and one of their teams primary scorers. This year they have much more talent around them and aren't going to have to score as much and can focus on taking good shots, not having to score. I don't think it's a reach at all to think Carlyle, Rice and Galloway will all get better and be in the mid 30s range.

Never at IU though. And it simply means they have better scoring options on the floor this year.

The flipside of this is lacking a returning 17-22ppg scorer. That helps too obviously.

There aren't many returning 17-22ppg scorers though!

 

[steelyvan]

"Carlyle, Rice and Galloway will all get better and be in the mid 30s range."
i truly hope you are right about this. we would be a really tough team to beat

 

[abraxis]

Shooting % will have to increase dramatically, or a couple of these players won't be scoring in double digits, not enough shots to go around, Who backs up Ballo? Can IU get anything from their bench? Who is going to score from deep? Is IU going to play defense? Rebounding, IU has been very average? Free Throws, can Ballo make 50%, can the team make over 70%? Will the weak non-conference get IU ready for the BT or is it just a confidence booster for Woody? Turnovers, does IU have a true point guard?

And just like that, the fretting is back!

 

[IndyResident16]

They were close if you compare freshmen stats, but Loyer was know as a shooter in high school. Loyer proved his sophomore year he is true shooter, shot 44% for the year and almost 50% his last 25 games. Loyer did play on a team that went 29-6, Stanford was a bad team that went 14-18 and Carlyle was the 4th leading scorer. The stats that sticks out for me about Carlyle was his turnovers. 66 turnovers with only 62 assists? Another stat is he only had 9 steals, Loyer had 30, Braden Smith had 62 steals with 292 assists!

Carlyle only played 2/3 of the season last year dumbass

 

[Blimpy]

Carlyle only played 2/3 of the season last year dumbass

His turnovers to assist didn't care how much he played! Not good! I guess facts hurt your pride.

 

[IndyResident16]

His turnovers to assist didn't care how much he played! Not good! I guess facts hurt your pride.

I don't care about his A/TO ratio as a true freshman playing lead guard on a bad team that he joined mid-season. That's not something he is going to be asked to do at Indiana. I'm much more infatuated with his catch and shoot rate >40% and ability to be a volume scorer. Go worry about your own team and your own players on your own board. Nobody here gives a f*** what you think.

 

[IUNorth]

His turnovers to assist didn't care how much he played! Not good! I guess facts hurt your pride.

When have Smith and Loyer, ever, been anything but mediocre without Edey? And then is it really exciting that there are a couple freshmen starting over Colvin and Heide, or I guess maybe Loyer? Or is it disappointing those guys seem to be getting beaten out by non top 50 level freshmen, when so many were counting on them being really good to keep PU basketball rolling?

Go spend some time thinking about those things. I'd be puckering a little bit right now if I were unfortunate enough to be born in to a Purdue family.

And be careful what you're talking shit about and wishing for. Giving Dolson a chance to hire a Cignetti level basketball coach should be your worst nightmare.

 

[Blimpy]

When have Smith and Loyer, ever, been anything but mediocre without Edey? And then is it really exciting that there are a couple freshmen starting over Colvin and Heide, or I guess maybe Loyer? Or is it disappointing those guys seem to be getting beaten out by non top 50 level freshmen, when so many were counting on them being really good to keep PU basketball rolling?

Go spend some time thinking about those things. I'd be puckering a little bit right now if I were unfortunate enough to be born in to a Purdue family.

And be careful what you're talking shit about and wishing for. Giving Dolson a chance to hire a Cignetti level basketball coach should be your worst nightmare.

I lived thru the Bob Knight days, watched live Gene Keady beat Bobby 4 out of 6. It was great, no nightmare for me! You might have a good career as a politician, trying to scare the masses. Doesn't work!

 

[IUNorth]

I lived thru the Bob Knight days, watched live Gene Keady beat Bobby 4 out of 6. It was great, no nightmare for me! You might have a good career as a politician, trying to scare the masses. Doesn't work!

Yeah, yeah. Your Superbowls...any of those years the same year IU won a National Title?

 

[chaser23]

this is just a big red flag for me. i remain optimistic. but the three guys mentioned all averaged 1 made 3ptr per game.
expecting all of them to become ~ 35% shooters is a reach.

Not a reach at all if you study data.

 

[chaser23]

I lived thru the Bob Knight days, watched live Gene Keady beat Bobby 4 out of 6. It was great, no nightmare for me! You might have a good career as a politician, trying to scare the masses. Doesn't work!

Why are you here? Are they sick of you at G&B? Do they think you’re a dumbass too?