Our current roster without Hood on it isn’t a very good guard/wing group. So if he is a “paper tiger” then woody missed in recruiting
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Lol. For one Stef is the easiest guy in D1 to guard. Our worst perimeter defender could guard him. Well of course you put your best defender on Ivey regardless if he’s a 1,2 or 3.
Agree, that’s why I typed that exact thought above.
If Treys jumper improves Bates may never play.
Trey had plenty as a freshman that Bates did not have except a high ranking.
They'll both play extensive minutes regardless if Trey can shoot or not. With those severely flawed mechanics, his ability to become a good 3pt shooter is very limited.
Tamar needs strength, confidence and minutes to iron everything out. Played way too passive last year.
I hope both of them breakout ...
Tamar will. Guaranteed. I’ve never been so nostradumbass in my IU sports history.
You can see he has the offensive skill set to be a damn good player and it's obvious. Hopefully everything clicks this year.
Agre except for JG beating out Race. My choice would be for Reneau to supplant Race (not because Race isn’t playing well)
With Woody calling the shots I don't think it's that important as to who the starting five are. It will be very interesting to see who the finishing five are.
Three 5* and build around them.
Reneau
Trayce
Race
Xavier
Schifino
Reneau
Trayce
Race
Xavier
Schifino
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If Gunn starts I’ll give you a 100 bucks, and be happy to do it too.
Keep it for the craps table
group of us heading out to Vegas for IU vs Zona.
I’m biased towards Gunn being an Indy kid from LN. truly want the 2G position to flourish at IU. Bates and Gunn could really be difference makers
Me too. And what’s even more messed up is there were matchups where the team played better with TJD on the bench. If he brings an outside game to the team this year abs has reliable range, it changed everything. I still maintain that it will all come down to our guards. JHS is an awesome get. Need Tamar to have a big leap. Not seeing it from Galloway and tough to see any meaningful minutes from Leal. What’s awesome is how much our talent has been upgraded from last season. Going to be fun seeing how this season develops.
Deal. Agree, I like the type of player LN over the years has produced. If Banks or Gunn play 5-10 mins a game next year I think a lot of people will be shocked. That will also mean they are pretty damn good.
Pretty funny that 9 of his 27 TOs for the season were against Northwestern and Nebraska. Both games where the point guard couldn’t keep his head out of ass by being suspended or in foul trouble. (5 TOs at NU playing point guard for 37 minutes lol). Meanwhile the other guards can’t be trusted with the ball. No need to dissect the other games because the same BS applies
The ball ended up in his hands way too much because the other guards can’t carry the weight.
Too easy
He’s a 2. He can guard 3s. He did play some at the 3. But he’s listed as a guard. He pretty much split time.
He’s a point guard when numb nuts can’t keep his head out of his ass.
No they aren’t…buddy. If jg plays the three he will never be considered a 2. Buddy. Would Parker Stewert be considered a 3 then?
What’s the difference? They both are on the wing. JG size is a 2-3 but his skill set is a paint player
Ok..2012-13 team IU started…
Yogi
Hulls
Vic
Watford
Zeller.
a pg and two wings with a stretch 4 and a 5 man. So quit arguing about something you are wrong about
They are not the same. You would never play jG at the 2. Hell you wouldn’t play Kopp at the 2. Just because they are called “wings” doesn’t mean they are the same. 2 completely different positions. Ever notice where the 3 lines up on offense? Wing forwards are not wing guards. Are there players that can play both? Yes.
Crean played a three guard offense. Liked to run 2 point guards. Hulls is a classic 2 guard. You are just being ignorant now. You would never put hulks at the small forward wing position. Good lord. I’m done.
Most teams 2-3 are the same player. BIG champs this here played Ivey and stefanovic. Both wings
Teams don’t play the damn Carolina offense anymore. It’s spread the floor and have wing shooters my goodness.
Last year we had 10 players average over 10 mins a game. With an arguably deeper team, you still think 8?
He does enough really well that he only needs to improve the threat. He doesn’t need to be a dead eye.
12-13 IU team vs this years PU team
Yogi—-Hunter
Hulls—-sasha
Vic—Ivey
Watford—-Gillis
Zeller—-Edey
soooo who is the 2 and the 3??
Pretty easy answer. Both Vic and Ivey are athletic enough and strong enough (in college) to guard most teams 3s. Therefore they would be considered the 3. Many teams including the two you listed play 3 guard lineups though. Much of it is about matching up to your opponents.
Would you want sasha on Vic all game? Hell no. Would you want Hulls on Ivey all game? Hell no.
You wouldn’t want either Hulls or Sasha or Rob or Leal guarding any true 3 because they are all 1s or 1/2s. Some players can play either but many cannot. You would never want the above players playing a 3 for long periods. You would never want Kopp or Geronimo playing a 2 with their current skill set.
Edit - Sasha is probably closer to a hybrid 2/3 than I thought at 6’5” so he could probably play a bit of both offensively. He just can’t guard either.
I’d argue that is a really small limb that will collapse under the weight of that list
Could be ten. I bet it settles a bit. I think woody was forced to play ten. Just didn’t have enough talent. I’d argue with better talent you don’t need to go as far into the bench.
I don't want JG playing the 3 with his current skill set!
I'm hoping JG can play alongside Trayce and Race vs subbing for Race, because those two bring totally different skill sets.
The one thing JG struggles with is his handle. He also doesn't seem to be a gifted passer. Those two things hurt his effectiveness as a 3.
That being said, he's got a really good looking shot and can definitely stretch the floor.
So why do I want him as a 3 vs a sub for Race... because one of my biggest frustrations last year was watching Geronimo dominate his man defensively while altering shots with his freakish length, hops and physicality.
There isn't a huge amount of data but I would pay attention to who he ended up guarding and the majority of the time his man struggled against him.
Since he was a 4, he was basically guarding power forwards. In the meantime, Parker Stewart was guarding the best scorers in the league and getting lit up. Guys like Ivey, Davis, Murray in the BTT.....I wanted to see how JG would do.
Maybe his lateral quickness is a hindrance but watching how he guarded and how disruptive he was, I wanted to see him guard the scoring wings.
IF Geronimo can play the 3, that allows us to play our three most disruptive defensive players in JG, Race and of course TJD.
I would like to see that.
The one thing JG struggles with is his handle. He also doesn't seem to be a gifted passer. Those two things hurt his effectiveness as a 3.
That being said, he's got a really good looking shot and can definitely stretch the floor.
So why do I want him as a 3 vs a sub for Race... because one of my biggest frustrations last year was watching Geronimo dominate his man defensively while altering shots with his freakish length, hops and physicality.
There isn't a huge amount of data but I would pay attention to who he ended up guarding and the majority of the time his man struggled against him.
Since he was a 4, he was basically guarding power forwards. In the meantime, Parker Stewart was guarding the best scorers in the league and getting lit up. Guys like Ivey, Davis, Murray in the BTT.....I wanted to see how JG would do.
Maybe his lateral quickness is a hindrance but watching how he guarded and how disruptive he was, I wanted to see him guard the scoring wings.
IF Geronimo can play the 3, that allows us to play our three most disruptive defensive players in JG, Race and of course TJD.
I would like to see that.
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