So, So Glad Archie Is Our Coach

[fpeaugh]

Th be fair TC had mostly positive reviews here for three years which shifted to "pulling for him" for about three more. It got pretty negative the last three. What people forget is how many good posters have abandoned this board over the course of Ordfan's cancerous scourge here.

Mostly positive reviews for 3 years? Mostly positive?

Zeller wasn’t here until years 4 and 5. It took until year 6 for about 25% to start questioning him.

It wasn’t until years 8-9 that the majority finally caught on.

How many times did we all hear “We’ll never get anyone better than Crean here. He’s such a great recruiter and developer” etc etc.

There’s a reason people were getting banned for questioning Crean. It’s because 99% didn’t want to hear it because they were adamant about Crean’s brilliance.

 

[twenty02]

Mostly positive reviews for 3 years? Mostly positive?

Zeller wasn’t here until years 4 and 5. It took until year 6 for about 25% to start questioning him.

It wasn’t until years 8-9 that the majority finally caught on.

How many times did we all hear “We’ll never get anyone better than Crean here. He’s such a great recruiter and developer” etc etc.

There’s a reason people were getting banned for questioning Crean. It’s because 99% didn’t want to hear it because they were adamant about Crean’s brilliance.

I'd like to meet the person that ever talked about 'Crean's brilliance'.

I personally fully bailed out on Crean in his 6th season....following up the Syracuse debacle with a giant turd of a year with Yogi, Vonleh, etc.....

 

[Grateful Redbeard]

Per usual, the fpeaugh hyperbole is through the roof. Most fans gave Crean a hard pass for the first couple of seasons due to the mess he inherited, and there were plenty of other people to be mad at then anyway. Sampson. Herbert. Dakich. Plenty of villains at that point and we were hoping that Crean would be our savior.

His 1st 2 seasons were horrible and getting Cody is what saved him. Then that loss to Syracuse happened and it was so evident that we were woefully unprepared to score against their zone. That was the end of year 5 and was also when I noticed that people started to begin to openly turn on him.

Prior to that his quirky behavior and car salesman antics had been accepted and even celebrated. Now they were all fair game. Add in his oversigning and total inability to recruit Indiana properly, and many saw the writing on the wall.

He gets super lucky and Max transfers in and becomes the missing piece to a 2nd Big regular season title. That bought him a stay of execution, but the die had been cast. He had to go and everyone but the most ardent Crean supporters knew it. Looking at you IUScott. Even when they were winning that 2nd title, he was as good as gone.

In hindsight IU should've canned him much sooner and hired Brad, but we all know that story goes.....

With all of the above missteps we still have a great young coach that is doing all the right things, especially in recruiting. Come on down Mr. Brooks!

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Mostly positive reviews for 3 years? Mostly positive?

Zeller wasn’t here until years 4 and 5. It took until year 6 for about 25% to start questioning him.

It wasn’t until years 8-9 that the majority finally caught on.

How many times did we all hear “We’ll never get anyone better than Crean here. He’s such a great recruiter and developer” etc etc.

There’s a reason people were getting banned for questioning Crean. It’s because 99% didn’t want to hear it because they were adamant about Crean’s brilliance.

Never saw anyone get banned for questioning Crean.

Still waiting on the list of "guarantees" you claim I made. Do not respond to another of my posts until you fullfill that obligation.

 

[coachv jr]

With Creans teams....you basically knew within the first 8 minutes if they were going to win the game or not....either his pre-game plan worked or it didn't. Adjusting in-game to what was happening (players, schemes, etc....) was just not something that occurred at IU for 9 years. Hell, the guy couldn't even draw up plays to manage to get the ball inbounds half the time. A timeout situation was certain recipe for failure.

I could probably count on one hand the number of games during his entire tenure where the team came back from a deficit of more than a bucket or two to win a game.

also could not defend inbounds under our basket

 

[coachv jr]

two moments in time turned me against CTC, and I really wanted him to succeed as he seemed to say the right things early on about being at IU, landing Cody and Yogi's class. But the 2013 team flame out at the end of the season- especially the Cuse debacle, woke me up and realized I might have been wrong.

For some reason, the Luke Fisher transfer was what did it for me. It was like a flare being shot into the sky.

By the time we had the near-tragedy with DD/Holt, the train was off the rails. Sad thing is, the program hung in there with both kids...and they both ended up washing out of the program.

CTC's demise would have been sooner except for Yogi putting the team on his back his Sr year.

agree about fischer. i think he realized he wasn't going to learn anything from crean

 

[IU? I'm Fine]

Per usual, the fpeaugh hyperbole is through the roof. Most fans gave Crean a hard pass for the first couple of seasons due to the mess he inherited, and there were plenty of other people to be mad at then anyway. Sampson. Herbert. Dakich. Plenty of villains at that point and we were hoping that Crean would be our savior.

His 1st 2 seasons were horrible and getting Cody is what saved him. Then that loss to Syracuse happened and it was so evident that we were woefully unprepared to score against their zone. That was the end of year 5 and was also when I noticed that people started to begin to openly turn on him.

Prior to that his quirky behavior and car salesman antics had been accepted and even celebrated. Now they were all fair game. Add in his oversigning and total inability to recruit Indiana properly, and many saw the writing on the wall.

He gets super lucky and Max transfers in and becomes the missing piece to a 2nd Big regular season title. That bought him a stay of execution, but the die had been cast. He had to go and everyone but the most ardent Crean supporters knew it. Looking at you IUScott. Even when they were winning that 2nd title, he was as good as gone.

In hindsight IU should've canned him much sooner and hired Brad, but we all know that story goes.....

With all of the above missteps we still have a great young coach that is doing all the right things, especially in recruiting. Come on down Mr. Brooks!

I remember a few knew Crean's baggage as he came to IU. It was discussed on this site that Crean may have reached his plateau at Marquette. Some up there were happy to see him leave for similar reasons to why he was ousted at IU 9 years later. They included but are not limited to running faster, little defense, lack of X's and O's knowledge, team focus subordinate to individuality...but he could talk and talk and sell and sell and hype...and wait till next year...

But he was our coach and you just support him and the team because they are it. For a while...

Doesn't mean blind support. It meant going to the games and cheering for ole IU.

There was some recognition that IU may not have been able to get anyone else after IU had screwed the pooch too many times relative to the HC position. And Greenspan, the AD, was on his way out since he was ...uh...damaged goods to say the least.

Others argued endlessly that we coulda woulda gotten...name any and all coaches that had a heartbeat. What coach in his right mind would come in to a situation that they would be working for someone different within a year? Oh, yeah...forgot...just raise the pay enough.

But one thing for sure...it wasn't the blinders on kind of support.

 

[plaxico80]

Mostly positive reviews for 3 years? Mostly positive?

Zeller wasn’t here until years 4 and 5. It took until year 6 for about 25% to start questioning him.

It wasn’t until years 8-9 that the majority finally caught on.

How many times did we all hear “We’ll never get anyone better than Crean here. He’s such a great recruiter and developer” etc etc.

There’s a reason people were getting banned for questioning Crean. It’s because 99% didn’t want to hear it because they were adamant about Crean’s brilliance.

Um....no.

 

[plaxico80]

Per usual, the fpeaugh hyperbole is through the roof. Most fans gave Crean a hard pass for the first couple of seasons due to the mess he inherited, and there were plenty of other people to be mad at then anyway. Sampson. Herbert. Dakich. Plenty of villains at that point and we were hoping that Crean would be our savior.

His 1st 2 seasons were horrible and getting Cody is what saved him. Then that loss to Syracuse happened and it was so evident that we were woefully unprepared to score against their zone. That was the end of year 5 and was also when I noticed that people started to begin to openly turn on him.

Prior to that his quirky behavior and car salesman antics had been accepted and even celebrated. Now they were all fair game. Add in his oversigning and total inability to recruit Indiana properly, and many saw the writing on the wall.

He gets super lucky and Max transfers in and becomes the missing piece to a 2nd Big regular season title. That bought him a stay of execution, but the die had been cast. He had to go and everyone but the most ardent Crean supporters knew it. Looking at you IUScott. Even when they were winning that 2nd title, he was as good as gone.

In hindsight IU should've canned him much sooner and hired Brad, but we all know that story goes.....

With all of the above missteps we still have a great young coach that is doing all the right things, especially in recruiting. Come on down Mr. Brooks!

PERFECTLY said.

 

[fpeaugh]

I'd like to meet the person that ever talked about 'Crean's brilliance'.

I personally fully bailed out on Crean in his 6th season....following up the Syracuse debacle with a giant turd of a year with Yogi, Vonleh, etc.....

So it still took you 6 full years on Crean.

Yet people are already crowning Archie our 30 year coach. That’s all I’m saying. Have him prove something first.

 

[fpeaugh]

Never saw anyone get banned for questioning Crean.

Still waiting on the list of "guarantees" you claim I made. Do not respond to another of my posts until you fullfill that obligation.

I can tell you one person who was banned...myself.

For repeatedly saying years 3-5 that we should fire him and go get Stevens.

And only 1-2 other posters agreed with me. The rest called me an idiot and said Crean was the best coach we could ever hope for.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I can tell you one person who was banned...myself.

For repeatedly saying years 3-5 that we should fire him and go get Stevens.

And only 1-2 other posters agreed with me. The rest called me an idiot and said Crean was the best coach we could ever hope for.

You were banned for general bad behavior, blame it on whatever you need to.

Waiting...

 

[Cutter1973]

I can tell you one person who was banned...myself.

For repeatedly saying years 3-5 that we should fire him and go get Stevens.

And only 1-2 other posters agreed with me. The rest called me an idiot and said Crean was the best coach we could ever hope for.

They weren’t calling you an idiot regarding Crean.

 

[fpeaugh]

They weren’t calling you an idiot regarding Crean.

Yes they were. Long before your time.

The experts on here thought Stevens just got lucky and Crean was better than Calipari. It was a pretty incredible time.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

Yes they were. Long before your time.

The experts on here thought Stevens just got lucky and Crean was better than Calipari. It was a pretty incredible time.

I'm sure it was pretty incredible, living inside an imaginary message board inside your head. Out here in the real world, those things didn't happen.

There was a solid Tom Crean internet insurgency blossoming in year 3. It came (usually after every loss) and went (usually after every win).

 

[Cutter1973]

Yes they were. Long before your time.

The experts on here thought Stevens just got lucky and Crean was better than Calipari. It was a pretty incredible time.

“My time” was prior to the Crean hire. You don’t have to sign up to read posts. “My time” was when Isiah Thomas was my favorite player and I actually played when my teammates fought over wearing Alford’s number 12. Just another example of you assuming that you have superior knowledge.

 

[fpeaugh]

I'm sure it was pretty incredible, living inside an imaginary message board inside your head. Out here in the real world, those things didn't happen.

There was a solid Tom Crean internet insurgency blossoming in year 3. It came (usually after every loss) and went (usually after every win).

You’re mistaking year 3 for year 8.

 

[Rakkasan29]

You’re mistaking year 3 for year 8.

You really need to get off of this. By year 8 most of the fan base (as well as the members of this board) were pretty well finished with Tom Crean.

Your insistence that it wasn't until year 8 that people finally started to turn on him is patently false and completely disingenuous...no matter how many times you repeat it.

 

[PhxFiveOh]

Still trying to figure out what would happen if total submission to this claim was given? Complete vindication! What does that feel like? Must be amazing. Then what?? In the meantime, Archie has the team playing sound fundamental basketball and there appear to be improvements, however modest, from week to week. Happy with the trajectory, encouraged for the present/future. That's enough for now! Go Hooisers!!

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

They weren’t calling you an idiot regarding Crean.

Yes they were.

Well in any case they were at least half right.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

You’re mistaking year 3 for year 8.

No, I'm not. You're mistaking your imaginary world where you're smarter than everyone with reality.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Sorry, not following very well this freezing Mon morning.

More of a follow-up to @Brockway

The same was said about Crean daily for over 8 years????

You've taken your shtick to another level.

 

[plaxico80]

Yes they were. Long before your time.

The experts on here thought Stevens just got lucky and Crean was better than Calipari. It was a pretty incredible time.

Early on, by year 2 (especially the end of year 2) several people were getting pissed.

IU wasn't talented, but they were horribly coached too and it was obvious.

Year 3 was an abomination. Clappy still had his fans (who were, obviously, morons), but the vast majority of folks here wanted to string him up.

 

[fpeaugh]

Early on, by year 2 (especially the end of year 2) several people were getting pissed.

IU wasn't talented, but they were horribly coached too and it was obvious.

Year 3 was an abomination. Clappy still had his fans (who were, obviously, morons), but the vast majority of folks here wanted to string him up.

By year 3? Before Zeller even arrived? No that was the very small minority of us.

 

[TommyCracker]

Early on, by year 2 (especially the end of year 2) several people were getting pissed.

IU wasn't talented, but they were horribly coached too and it was obvious.

Year 3 was an abomination. Clappy still had his fans (who were, obviously, morons), but the vast majority of folks here wanted to string him up.

It was a double edged sword for me. Year 3 was a complete dumpster fire (we ended the season on some kind of horrific 15 game losing streak) even though we had more ranked kids (and the glut were sophomores off his first top ten recruiting class) than all but four teams if I remember correctly....and we couldn't get out of the basement after three damn years and all kinds of carnival barking promises, excuses and conspiracy theories (they don't want us back and we're being negatively recruited against).

At the same damn time Stevens just took Butler to back to back national title games. A horizon league team....back to back....after losing their fluke lottery recruit.

It was such an obvious call. It was on a silver platter.

But we had the movement coming and Stevens couldn't recruit big boy basketball which was (and is) the dumbest, most idiotic take in the history of takes.

Archie is proving that as a recruiter.

Stevens was a young rock star coach. He would have been able to recruit anyone from the Midwest. Instead we kept a horrible coach who was weird, orange, fake and creepy.

Good grief I have no doubt that we are pretty smart individuals...but as a mass group we're dumb as hell. Lol

 

[iubud]

Th be fair TC had mostly positive reviews here for three years which shifted to "pulling for him" for about three more. It got pretty negative the last three. What people forget is how many good posters have abandoned this board over the course of Ordfan's cancerous scourge here.

Year 3 was when a great many began questioning Crean with cause. I remember year 4 starting off slow and I thought he was going to be gone at the end of the year. Then the team came together and reached the Sweet 16. He had wormed his way into a sweet extension before his house of cards fell because the top tier players he needed to outscore the opposition were advised to play elsewhere.

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

So it still took you 6 full years on Crean.

Yet people are already crowning Archie our 30 year coach. That’s all I’m saying. Have him prove something first.

No, they aren't. You are just an over the top, pretentious wet blanket that can't get over Stevens.

 

[T.M.P.]

Why lie about it? We all remember. I don’t know why some have such difficulty admitting when they were wrong.

Everyone but you, right?

 

[T.M.P.]

Never saw anyone get banned for questioning Crean.

I got banned 8 times in 9 years for doing so. Some of it well deserved, some not and most occuring after Peegs became Crean's mouthpiece. ie year 6,7,8,.and 9...

 

[SeaNap]

I'm still on Cloud Nine that Archie is the head coach at Indiana. We needed someone to recruit talent in the state better. Check. We needed someone to vastly improve our defense. Check. We needed a coach to build a program based on character and toughness. Check. We needed a better basketball tactician. Check. No basketball team is perfect - especially a young one beset by injuries, but boy, oh boy, I think our program is in good hands. I hope he's here for the next 30 years, we win a bunch of games and a handful of national championships.

Hold on boss! Yes IU did ink Langford, but CAM still has a
little ways to go with top instate recruitment.

 

[fpeaugh]

No, they aren't. You are just an over the top, pretentious wet blanket that can't get over Stevens.

You still in Louisville looking for Brohm?

 

[fpeaugh]

Everyone but you, right?

I think everyone remembers my stance. That’s when I first became hated on here by some.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I got banned 8 times in 9 years for doing so. Some of it well deserved, some not and most occuring after Peegs became Crean's mouthpiece. ie year 6,7,8,.and 9...

Never saw anyone banned that didn't richley deserve it. This has always been a ridiculously liberal. Hell, look what Ordfan or several PU trolls have gotten away with here.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I think everyone remembers my stance. That’s when I first became hated on here by some.

I don't. Still waiting.

 

[TR32]

I got banned 8 times in 9 years for doing so. Some of it well deserved, some not and most occuring after Peegs became Crean's mouthpiece. ie year 6,7,8,.and 9...

That was a loathesome thing. It is why I didn't follow him over to his new board. People who know basketball knew Crean was not going to get the job done unless he was the sideline cheerleader for a D-wade and Oladipo level all-star team. Personally, that was the only thing I waited on to find out. Had no choice really. I knew by 2011 he was under performing as a coach but things were getting better on the recruiting trail and it was a matter of seeing if his talent assembly protocol was enough get past his coaching disability.

 

[Knewthiswascoming]

Never saw anyone banned that didn't richley deserve it. This has always been a ridiculously liberal. Hell, look what Ordfan or several PU trolls have gotten away with here.

Your banning was richly deserved. We all thought so.

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

You still in Louisville looking for Brohm?

Nope. It was fun screwing with PU fans, as it will continue to be. I'm sure you knew where he was going to end up all along since you know everything about everything.

95% of the board thinks you are a pretentious ass, a Debbie Downer, a cranky old fart, and a broken record: good work. You aren't capable of enjoying Archie Miller because Glass hired him and he isn't Stevens, and that is really sad.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Your banning was richly deserved. We all thought so.

Actually, I have yet to be banned from this or any other IU board. Nice try though.

 

[Knewthiswascoming]

Actually, I have yet to be banned from this or any other IU board. Nice try though.

You were banned when it was Peegs after several suspensions. It wasn't a close call either. You came back under the blanket amnesty after the departure to Scout. And it wasn't because of issues like Prankster's.

Nice try, though.

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

Your banning was richly deserved. We all thought so.

In this case "we" being the Board record-holder for banishment, returned under your umpteenth alias but ever a twit.