Sorry I mistook you for a reasonable person. My bad. I won't do that again.
Shots fired at Trump's PA campaign rally
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WTF ?? Cops were inside the building during the shooting??
Wow. This story doesn't make anybody look good:
So, on the one hand, that's a huge building. Really, more of a complex than a building.
On the other hand, how in the world is it appropriate to station a "counter sniper team" indoors? This was an outdoor rally. What possible threats could they have been assessing from inside?
lol…did you piss in GOATs cheerios this morning 🤣
After all these years reading stories about the Secret Service going to great lengths such as welding down manhole covers, removing mail boxes and nailing windows shut along motorcade routes, failing to station people on that roof is impossible to understand.
Obviously a huge failure on the part of the SS to not be there, but these local cops actually were there. Their failure is even more confusing because they took the time to show up and then just behaved stupidly.
Keyboard warriors are something.
The cognitive dissonance it must require to believe that the entire DC Republicrat Swamp is out to get your guy, and is using all the different arms of the government to do so, and has taken over the missions of the FBI, CIA, NSA, SS, and I guess PA State Troopers to do so, and then...they just missed...is just beyond comprehension.
Keyboard warrior?
I mean, this guy's credentials are certainly superior to anyone here, from a purely tactical understanding.
Why should his claim be dismissed?
www.breitbart.com
I mean, this guy's credentials are certainly superior to anyone here, from a purely tactical understanding.
Why should his claim be dismissed?
Veteran Sniper: 'No Doubt' Thomas Matthew Crooks Had Help -- 'Most F**king Obvious Thing' Left Unguarded
A retired sniper said he has "no doubts" that Thomas Matthew Crooks had help from "an agency, an organization, or the government."
www.breitbart.com
Well, because it's on Breitbart, for starters.
Or they just purposely understaffed the SS detail and were fine with leaving Trump at more risk. Personally, it doesn’t matter to me whether it’s willful negligence or not. It’s just another sign of crumbling U.S. institutions.
What exactly is his claim and what do you think it means. I’m not sure you understand what you read or can comprehend its meaning.Keyboard warrior?
I mean, this guy's credentials are certainly superior to anyone here, from a purely tactical understanding.
Why should his claim be dismissed?
Veteran Sniper: 'No Doubt' Thomas Matthew Crooks Had Help -- 'Most F**king Obvious Thing' Left Unguarded
A retired sniper said he has "no doubts" that Thomas Matthew Crooks had help from "an agency, an organization, or the government."
Wow. Deep.
Which part of his analysis, based on your expertise, do you disagree with?
The snipers had binoculars trained that way for minutes before the shooting. You don't think they could notice a unfiromed officer? I get it if they are plain clothed, hell they took out the prone assassin within seconds. I don't think those snipers would have intentionally fired on the cop.
Not my problem if you don't earn a decent living or can't invest. If you aren't making money hand over fist this year then may want to hire someone.
Well, the guy they shot was wearing clothes that looked like, you know, a uniform, so.
Easy. Because he's Canadian.Keyboard warrior?
I mean, this guy's credentials are certainly superior to anyone here, from a purely tactical understanding.
Why should his claim be dismissed?
Veteran Sniper: 'No Doubt' Thomas Matthew Crooks Had Help -- 'Most F**king Obvious Thing' Left Unguarded
A retired sniper said he has "no doubts" that Thomas Matthew Crooks had help from "an agency, an organization, or the government."
Next question.
Easy. Because he's Canadian.
Next question.
This kind of thinking is exactly why the Dems are going to get plastered this year.
This is what a smug sanctimonious Republican would say not long ago. What do our parties stand for these days?
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No harm.
That guy's a hayseed...and he's right, it's not his fault rates are up and I'm not pulling 7 figure quarters anymore lately. 😃
Maybe I need to talk to his "guy".
Apparently the airports are packed, so I'm obviously missing something.
What part of that t-shirt he was wearing was a uniform?
Yeah...I dunno. Those guys had a tough angle for sure to see who that kid was...especially when he's laying flat. They looked to be zero'd in on him, and were probably frantically asking "who the **** is that guy? Is he ours?".
This seems to be more of a strategic **** up of what seems to be basic coverage for these guys...against an amateur!!
Either way it's not good...accidentally incompetent is only slightly less troubling than intentionally incompetent...and I'm talking chalkboard strategy here, not the action of those two guys that got the kill.
So, to be clear, you think a belief that there may be a conspiracy involved in the Trump assassination attempt is equally as bad as specifically cheering another human beings death.
And I’M the unreasonable one?
Alrighty then.
Doesn't matter which one is worse, they are both repugnant.
Saying “I believe there is more to the Trump assassination attempt than we are being led to believe” is quite a bit different than saying “I’m glad Trump supporter Corey Comperatore was killed”.
It’s really bizarre that you’re attempting to equate the two.
I’ll just assume I must have done something to piss you off, as Snarl mentioned.
All speculation. What I’m saying is that the more combatants firing on a battlefield, the more confusing and foggy it is. It’s easy when everyone is wearing your jersey and speaking on the same net. Once you pass that it’s ****ing hard.
That's a really bland way to paraphrase what people in this thread are really claiming, which isn't that "there is more" generically. They are flatly or clearly implying that the "more" is that the Biden White House tried to kill him. Why are you hiding from this?
Even if I agree that the bolded is true, that’s still nowhere near as repugnant as saying “I’m glad this innocent dude got his head blown off because I don’t like his politics”.
I’m not wrong about that.
There were reports there was a fixed ladder to the roof. Then that an officer got on another's shoulders to get a view of the roof. If that's true then yes it makes sense why he didn't engage. But at that point someone on a roof just pointed a gun at you (an officer). You have to do anything in your power at that point to save lives, especially the former President. If you don't have direct communications to the snipers on the roof then the next most plausible course of action is to fire shots into the ground. I wouldn't consider him another combatant on the battlefield and I wouldn't think that would fog it up. That would make it crystal clear to the SS by the former president to spring into action as they did when the first shots happened which were the ones that got his ear and the people behind him.
Shitty scenario all around, and I think we all agree at least ten balls were dropped before these efforts at the last minute.
I don’t know. Shooting into the ground is a weird tactic. You’re going to find out the systemic failures sooner.
One of the latest articles on the Assassination Attempt:
nypost.com
The photo of the grounds about 2/3rds of the way down in the article is one of the better overviews of the venue that I've seen so far (you have to keep scrolling down thru the advertisements to read/see the entire article)
Sounds like local cops doing what local cops tend to do..., getting out of the heat and BSing waiting to be called on rather than aggressively patrolling their assigned AO...
Why the Secret Service detail wouldn't have anticipated this approach by the local gendarmes is hard to understand...
It's still baffling to me as to why a drone wasn't in play for active, real time, reconnaissance or if not that, why someone wasn't at least assigned to be up on the catwalk of that big blue water tank/tower (The highest structure in the nearby area) with even just a radio and some binoculars or even a monocular... That structure has about a 95% overview of the Entire venue...
A competent advance team would have anticipated all these things prior to the event in my opinion... Not to mention, not using uncuttable security chain to secure the shaky surrounding fence entries... HD Zip Ties are a laughable security measure..., unless they thought their primary threat was from a group of 3 year olds...
You can buy that chain on Amazon or here: https://www.uscargocontrol.com/coll...MI-ZHUj52rhwMVpefjBx0trANLEAAYAiAAEgLEEvD_BwE
Someone needs to pass that on to Director Cheatle...
The reality is that had a small group (2-3) of even semi-competent, motivated assassins, hired by a foreign nation, like say Iran, been involved instead of one young wannabe then Trump and most of the local police detail would have been history...
The Secret Service needs to up their game Now if they're actually serious about protecting Trump (which clearly is a Major question at this point when it comes to Mayorkas and Cheatle).
There are a lot more people out there who find Trump a serious threat to their operations beyond just the Democrats... The Border Cartels, the Iranians, and even the Chinese all have a great deal to lose if Trump becomes President...
Exclusive | Local counter-sniper team was inside building where Trump shooter climbed on the roof and opened fire: sources
Crooks was able to scale the building unchallenged before firing off eight shots with an AR-style assault rifle, grazing Trump in the ear, killing one Trump supporter and wounding two others.
nypost.com
The photo of the grounds about 2/3rds of the way down in the article is one of the better overviews of the venue that I've seen so far (you have to keep scrolling down thru the advertisements to read/see the entire article)
Sounds like local cops doing what local cops tend to do..., getting out of the heat and BSing waiting to be called on rather than aggressively patrolling their assigned AO...
Why the Secret Service detail wouldn't have anticipated this approach by the local gendarmes is hard to understand...
It's still baffling to me as to why a drone wasn't in play for active, real time, reconnaissance or if not that, why someone wasn't at least assigned to be up on the catwalk of that big blue water tank/tower (The highest structure in the nearby area) with even just a radio and some binoculars or even a monocular... That structure has about a 95% overview of the Entire venue...
A competent advance team would have anticipated all these things prior to the event in my opinion... Not to mention, not using uncuttable security chain to secure the shaky surrounding fence entries... HD Zip Ties are a laughable security measure..., unless they thought their primary threat was from a group of 3 year olds...
You can buy that chain on Amazon or here: https://www.uscargocontrol.com/coll...MI-ZHUj52rhwMVpefjBx0trANLEAAYAiAAEgLEEvD_BwE
Someone needs to pass that on to Director Cheatle...
The reality is that had a small group (2-3) of even semi-competent, motivated assassins, hired by a foreign nation, like say Iran, been involved instead of one young wannabe then Trump and most of the local police detail would have been history...
The Secret Service needs to up their game Now if they're actually serious about protecting Trump (which clearly is a Major question at this point when it comes to Mayorkas and Cheatle).
There are a lot more people out there who find Trump a serious threat to their operations beyond just the Democrats... The Border Cartels, the Iranians, and even the Chinese all have a great deal to lose if Trump becomes President...
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Veteran Sniper: 'No Doubt' Thomas Matthew Crooks Had Help -- 'Most F**king Obvious Thing' Left Unguarded
A retired sniper said he has "no doubts" that Thomas Matthew Crooks had help from "an agency, an organization, or the government."
He did have help. It just wasn't help that was planned in advance. Sometimes the negligence or incompetence of your antagonists is all the help you need. This kid's entire operation was amateur hour. The fact that the security apparatus around the President was so inept that day was a tremendous help.Keyboard warrior?
I mean, this guy's credentials are certainly superior to anyone here, from a purely tactical understanding.
Why should his claim be dismissed?
Veteran Sniper: 'No Doubt' Thomas Matthew Crooks Had Help -- 'Most F**king Obvious Thing' Left Unguarded
A retired sniper said he has "no doubts" that Thomas Matthew Crooks had help from "an agency, an organization, or the government."
Don't attribute to malice was is more likely attributable to incompetence. This wasn't some master conspiracy, it is further proof of the erosion in the competency of our government and leadership class.
Or the leadership
Or... The (off site) Leadership wasn't terribly concerned about what calamity might befall the protectee...
Once again, you don't assign an undermanned third team to a guy you're wishing the best too...
Or... The (off site) Leadership wasn't terribly concerned about what calamity might befall the protectee...
Once again, you don't assign an undermanned third team to a guy you're wishing the best too...
