If Painter coached IU he wouldn’t have been here long enough to know. We’d have been calling for his head after the ‘12-‘13 & ‘13-‘14 seasons.
Shitty coaching
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I saw someone said Buckner needs to own up and help coach. I like the Buckner own up part but QB has an even worse coaching record then Woodson.
Buckner spearheaded this whole Woodson thing. Now good luck ever getting rid of his buddy. I guess hey can sit around and watch videos of 1976 together as we continue to stink it up.
Woody isn't an analytics coach and it's obvious. Not that it's the great +5 method of coaching success or anything but ...
1. the deep rotations with short stints hurt efficiency and is basically giving up points. Players need run to get into a comfort zone. Comfort equals better efficiency better effiicency equals more wins. Play eight guys only, with a ninth for situations, and 3 starters at all times. Get bench players comfortable with playing with starters, don't use a two unit approach.
2. reliance on pressure to create TO and offense. There' a reason not many teams use a full court press anymore or play styles that rely on heavy pressure. Too many fouls. Should be used situationally only. Too many moving parts equals more breakdowns. That defense needs simplified younger players don't grasp it easily. Keep it simple stupid..
3. The most efficient play in basketball is the corner three off a pass from the interior. The least efficient play is the low block post up. Enough said..
4. IU doesn't shoot threes after offensive rebounds while other teams hunt them. If not a put back the ball needs to go back out, it's the easiest three in basketball ..
Not analytics related just simple basketball ..
1. playing inside out .. means the ball goes in, and then comes back out. Once the ball goes in, it never comes back out. Pass the ball Malik ..
2. our perimeter players should be low in shooting position before catching any pass, it makes the defense have to react faster even if they're not going to shoot. Too often the players show the defense they're not going to shoot by catching straight up. Being in shooting position allows headfakes to work, and create more drives, not to mention shots ... Its a simple thing, but makes the defenses job much easier.
A personal opinion ..
This season was lost last March when Woody decided to bring X back, compounded by not getting a suitable 2 guard, then the injury, then the nut grab. No one could have predicted it but ... in retrospect it was a huge blunder. Should have let him play in the tourney and gotten one of the many available PGs in portal with a wide open path to playing time.
I hate coaching changes .. and our fan base needs to get over being entitled. Can't let coaches go every three to four years or very few coaches will take this job. What used to be a destination job (after RMK) has become a toxic career killer in a fishbowl with an over entitled fanbase. There's not one coach being mentioned in this thread that would be dumb enough to take this job. they'll stay at a school that actually supports them.
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We had quite the coaching search group. Dolson doesn’t know what he’s doing — all his experience is at IU where we have made bad coaching hires for 20 years and compiled a terrible run of basketball. Buckner, May, & Co. have no idea about the modern college game, yet we let their politics into the process. McRobbie totally didn't care about sports so he was never going to be helpful with putting a good search process in place.
All this led to a totally unnecessary Hail Mary where we passed on every college coach for an old NBA lifer who was never going to know all the nuances of college bball like the guys with 10-20 years experience in college. Anyone who understands organizations would know Matta (another Dolson experiement) wasn't going to be able to fix that.
IU is unbelievable. Always making bad decisions with bball.
All this led to a totally unnecessary Hail Mary where we passed on every college coach for an old NBA lifer who was never going to know all the nuances of college bball like the guys with 10-20 years experience in college. Anyone who understands organizations would know Matta (another Dolson experiement) wasn't going to be able to fix that.
IU is unbelievable. Always making bad decisions with bball.
Not only do we take more shots from 3 feet inside the line than 98% of teams in college basketball but our shooting percentage from that range ranks 305th in D1!! Think about that. We shoot more from that range than nearly every school while ranking 305th in the ability to make those shots. Just unreal.
I don’t see how Woody isn’t supported. He has the most or close to the most NIL in the B1G. He has the biggest budget from the athletic dept in the B1G. He has amazing crowds at Assembly Hall (leading attendance in the B1G) and great support for road games in NY and Atlanta, despite our team being bad. What more can we give him?
It's almost like they go out if their way to make bad hires. But Buckner got who he wanted so all is well for the old guard. If you were going to hire an older guy I am pretty sure John beilein would have taken the job. A guy with real actual final four runs. Two ncaa runner ups and an elite 8. 63-15 his last two years at michigan.
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Yea. Or could have made Thad HC. He’s doing a nice job at Butler.
Ya and last year they were calling that taunting and handing out T’s ( Reneau and X) this yr…..nothing
Yup unreal is correct because it's not true..
IU is currently 110th in 2 pt jumper percentage according to hoopsmath and 60th in 2pt jumper % taken. We are not 305th in %, nor top 2 % in attempts..
Where did you dig up that incorrect stat from? I know Cav is just using hyperbole, it's how he posts but you are presenting it as fact, which, it's not.
You guys should probably stay away from citing stats until you learn how.
https://hoop-math.com/leader_o2024.php
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Do you believe quick development is possible for a talented, mature, and coachable player?
Okay, but only if others agree not to make shit up to fit a butthurt narrative.
Well, it could be a little bit of both. I remember people talking about how good JHS was in the pre-season. People were already saying that he was going to be gone at the end of the year. I think it was a combination of JHS being really good and maybe Woody helping him out some.
But, if Woody is good at developing guards, where is any other proof of it? Tamar? Gunn? Trey? Leal? Cupps?
Was JHS just an outlier, then?
I am not the one who posted it, but I saw that stat brought up in a couple of twitter feeds.
I guess the question is, is there a difference between 2pt jumper (which I am guessing is anything inside the arc and not in the paint) and jumpers specifically within 3' of the 3 point line.
It's possible that both sets of stats are true. I'm just not sure who the heck would be tracking shots that are only 3' within the 3 point line. That seems like a very specific thing to look for that goes above and beyond standard metrics.
I felt that after the Purdue game. I don't remember thinking that before then.
Idk because he came in physically, skilled, ready for the NBA. I see development as a guy that comes in and isn’t a major player and works his way into a starter or star. Or shows huge improvent over his career. Think Victo O
I wasn't talking about fans. I was talking about people from the NBA around Woody. There were lots of rumors coming out preseason camp that JHS was really wowing people before the season started. That's what I remember, anyway. Who knows what was true and what wasn't...
Coach Tony Adragna went over the stats on Assembly Call podcast. He mentioned the analytical service where he got the stats but I don’t recall the name. I find his takes interesting and he is very perplexed by the number of long twos we take.
You mis-read the posts.
We are in the 98th percentile of teams taking long two’s (within 3 feet of the 3 point line).
For some reason you are quoting 2 point shots (including layups, 10 footers etc) which is not close to the same thing,
Same goes for the 305 ranking for shooting percentage from within three feet of the 3 point line..
Big difference from the stats you are referencing.
PS: Cav and I did not make up shit, as you eloquently stated, to fit a narrative.
It’s kind of funny that you mis-quoted what we said and then instruct us to stay away from stats “Until we learn how”.
Best post in this thread. I've been following IU since the Lou Watson days when we listened on the radio and loved IU. Just got a better offer to go to Purdue. You seem like a fan I would like sharing bball stories with over a cold one.
I got bad news for you. Woodson has never quit a head coaching gig. And IU has never had a standard that high.
The admins have surprised me with two quicker trigger firings in the last few years. I'd be surprised if they don't give him one more year to sort it out, assuming we miss the tournament this year, although that isn't certain. There are plenty of games left.
Victor was one of the, if not the, best developed players in IU basketball history, so we agree there. JHS is in the G league this year, so he wasn’t NBA ready.
IU is not going to pay Woody’s buy out this year, so we got him for another season and half. We don’t know how this season is going to end and what are team is going to look like next year. You can act like bunch of teenage girls and whine and cry over spill milk, or you can act like a grown up and see how things play out. Again Woody is going no where anytime soon.
To be fair we didn’t make it up. Assembly call might have tho lol.
3 Frustrating Contradictions Weighing Down This Year's IU Basketball Team
While nothing can be done about IU's flawed roster until the offseason, there are some easily identifiable tweaks that could help put this IU team in a better position to win games down the stretch.
www.assemblycall.com
I have no idea who they are. Are they real journalists working for a legit employer or just fans?To be fair we didn’t make it up. Assembly call might have tho lol.
3 Frustrating Contradictions Weighing Down This Year's IU Basketball Team
While nothing can be done about IU's flawed roster until the offseason, there are some easily identifiable tweaks that could help put this IU team in a better position to win games down the stretch.
Just 4 fans, but very educated ones that are super nerds that I would for sure trust on stats. They do a podcast after every game. It actually helps me fall asleep at night lol.
Ryan, one of the 4, works for the big league, so he is a legit journalist I guess.
That's why it was stupid to hire a former player with no college experience. Good luck trying to fire a former player
If that stat is true (within 3') they would have to have access to synergy or something comparable that can break down almost anything... last I checked it cost 8500 per year. I take back what I said .. apologize to both of you and give them the benefit. For now ...
The only reason is ... Cupps, Gunn, X ...take a lot of those shots, but not sure if they're within 3 feet... maybe four or five or even six. Why was the cutoff at 3'?
Don’t ever apologize to me lol I know I get caught up in my feelings from time to time. Losing a grand will do that to you, but my dumb fault!!!
3 feet might have been wrong by me. They describe it as 17’ to the three point line in the article. They for sure have access to some of these stat generators. No idea if it is synergy though.
I gather they are just referring to shots that are taken inside but close to the three point line. They are the "worst shot" because they are going to hit them at nearly the same percentage as a 3, but they are only worth 2.
