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Did not Brad say if you lose your ID, tough luck, you can't vote?
To me, the bigger problem right now is perceived illegitimacy of the system and ease of administration.
Re "entitlement" and "disenfranchisement" I don't see it that way. We have limitations and requirements now on how to vote--timing, method, etc. This is just one extra requirement that is not going to prevent any competent person who truly wants to vote from voting, any more than requiring a driver's licence to buy liquor prevents people who want to buy liquor from purchasing it. I've never bought into the absolutely infantilizing argument that some people just can't get IDs because they're too stupid or so overworked.
I said ID. You can have a form of ID without a picture. Use one with a signature. Or, soon, maybe via thumbprint.
You sure about that?
What's So Bad About Voter ID Laws? | League of Women Voters
Voter ID laws have long been debated in the United States. While supporters argue that voter photo ID laws are necessary to prevent voter fraud and ensure the integrity of elections, reality tells a different story. Not only do these measures disproportionately impact Black, Native, elderly, and...
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Kamala Harris Pushes Back on Voter ID Laws: 'Makes It Almost Impossible'
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Just a very noisy group who want to feel good about losing by making up reasons they lost. Next it will be the sun for in their eyes.
Vote IDs are fine, I haven't spoken against them. Just that there must be exceptions. But a few years ago Alabama struck by closing license branches in poor rural counties. Now for people who may not have a car, that is a legitimate imposition.
There is no 100% perfect system, we need to prevent the perfect from being the enemy of the good. The tighter we lock things down, the more likely disenfranchisement happens. The easier we make it to vote, the more likely fraud is. The trick, the real trick, is to balance those
I keep mentioning that loophole of states not reporting people that move, and it gets zero traction from the "zero fraud can happen" crowd. Why? We have known about this problem for a long time, and Florida led the charge AWAY from the solution. Not sending out registration reminders was more important than fraud.
Yes, I'm sure. I don't care how many links you provide or from whom, it's not an issue for serious discussion.You sure about that?
What's So Bad About Voter ID Laws? | League of Women Voters
Voter ID laws have long been debated in the United States. While supporters argue that voter photo ID laws are necessary to prevent voter fraud and ensure the integrity of elections, reality tells a different story. Not only do these measures disproportionately impact Black, Native, elderly, and...
Kamala Harris Pushes Back on Voter ID Laws: 'Makes It Almost Impossible'
The vice president spoke to CBS News about Republican-led measures that she said restrict access to votingpeople.com
This election cycle, the concern should be about the plans to disrupt the certification process. The groundwork has already been laid.
I’ve not made that argument. I’ve argued for voter ID and against the idea that it’s going to disenfranchise any voters. Basically, I’ve said any person that couldn’t be bothered with getting a free ID making him/her eligible to vote is probably not going to vote. Also, I’ve argued that even one fraudulent vote was too much, though I also realize eliminating it 100 percent is probably impossible. Eliminating it enough to ensure it won’t alter results is doable since it’s very, very rare now and hasn’t happened on a national level since JFK and that isn’t certain.
Or DNA analysis from the COVID vaccine implanted chip
Amish can go to their local courthouse and get an ID that doesn’t have their picture on it. No one has a legitimate excuse to not get an ID if they want to vote.
Kamala Harris disagrees with you. As do major left wing think tanks and organizations. So I don't understand your second sentence. Do you mean that those groups aren't being serious (I agree) or that you just don't care about it?
On your second point, I am worried about that. I'm still sceptical that Americans will go that far.
I guess my views on this are right wing. I don't think there should be a right or left on this, but so be it.
Shhhhhh. I'm burnishing my CV for the future Dream Team application. @hookyIU1990 needs a man on the inside for his upcoming coup.
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