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Yes, but even asking the question is ridiculous, because there is no formulation of history that allows a reasonable person to accuse Milley of treason.
First time talking to MAGA?
Who? Milley, Schiff, or Stoll? Well, F him if he meant Stoll.
When he called China behind President Trumps back . That was treason.
I’ve never heard of anyone on my street winning the mega millions, but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t gladly be the first I’d heard of.
No, he didn't. China's not an enemy, and he didn't give them any aid and comfort.
If he called China without permission from the president and said an attack from the US is imminent. What would that be? Uf he called China without presidential permission and said no attack is imminent. What is that? I am just asking because I assume you 100% know the correct answer.
Stol it doesn’t matter what the other have of this board thinks. The majority of voters in this country think differently and that’s all that Counts.
I am not disagreeing. Can you tell me what he would have to do in a call to the Chinese to be treasonous? Is telling the Chinese something different than what he knows is the President’s policy treasonous? Again, I just asking to see how far the top military guy can go in doing what he pleases instead of what he’s been told.
Okay this is relevant. Can Trump recall Milley to uniform and court martial him?
You have a lot of expertise in most everything discussed. You know what Milley did or didn’t do.
I know he didn't commit treason. That doesn't require expertise. I have no idea if he violated the UCMJ.
He could be recalled to service, but I'm pretty sure the blanket pardon would also cover Court-Martials. I also see no article of the UCMJ that he would be charged with.
Milley should be heavily criticized for his role in the Afghanistan withdrawal. While he's not in the operational chain of command, he's the top military advisor to the President. He advised the President that he thought the Afghanistan withdrawal would probably go well, and it certainly didn't. I think seeing the Taliban would do what it did was foreseeable and should have been foreseen. I don't know what article would apply to that. I can't think of one. What happens to officers that give bad advice is they're fired from their jobs and leave service.
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Have you read any of the reports on his communications with China and other US military officers at the end of Trumps first term. If you have can you comment on the appropriateness of those communications.
Top general Milley reassured China, others in secret calls as Trump pushed election lies, spokesman says
Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley called his Chinese counterpart twice as Trump's presidency waned to reassure Beijing the U.S. wouldn't attack.
He can be administratively reduced to the “last rank where he performed satisfactorily”?
Yes. I read it with the knowledge that the Chairman of our Joint Chiefs call their counterparts in China (Russia, India, whatever), and the other way around, on a fairly regular basis. They do this to make sure we don't develop dangerous situations. It's really not a huge deal and it's most definitely not treasonous in any way. We had a strange situation when it wasn't clear that the outgoing President was going to allow the peaceful transfer of power. Frankly, it resulted in the perception of US instability.Have you read any of the reports on his communications with China and other US military officers at the end of Trumps first term. If you have can you comment on the appropriateness of those communications.
Top general Milley reassured China, others in secret calls as Trump pushed election lies, spokesman says
Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley called his Chinese counterpart twice as Trump's presidency waned to reassure Beijing the U.S. wouldn't attack.www.cnbc.com
None of this is meant to be argumentative, Stoll. I'm just letting you know what I know and my opinion on it. I still think Milley gave a bad assessment of the Afghanistan withdraw plan and that's a much bigger deal to me and he deserves a ton of criticism of that (it's an appropriate congressional investigation and accountability), but still not a criminal thing which would merit a criminal investigation.
Theoretically, yes. But we would still need an article violation to charge him with and convict him of before that could happen. I can't think of any that would apply for bad advice.
I don’t think it’s argumentative. I wanted to know what you thought based on your life experiences in the military.
I have no experience in the military but if a subordinate in my office went around me and disrespected me and undermined my authority I would have fired them with no second chances.
Regarding Milley and acknowledging I have no military experience he should have resigned immediately when he felt like he couldn’t serve Trump respectfully.
Just my opinion.
That doesn't even make sense. Try again, but use some wit this time. Oh I forgot who I was talking to ..
Carry on.
I would consider someone that steals from our businesses, hacks our financial & government institutions including our military, plants seeds to destroy our infrastructure, floods our market with deadly drugs, threatens to invade allies, sends spy balloons into our airspace, meddles in our elections, (should I go on?) our enemy, but you think they have to lob a missile, huh? 🙄. I guess the Soviet Union wasn’t our enemy either?
It's not me. The law defines an enemy as someone "engaged in hostilities" with us. That might be someone Congress declares war on, it might be someone who attacks us. But it's not just someone competing with us, even dirty. ISIS is an enemy. China is an adversary.
Even if China were an enemy, Milley didn't give them aid and comfort, so it's a moot point.
If it protects him from prosecution, it won't matter. He couldn't be reduced in rank without some conviction for misconduct. At least I've never heard of it. In any event, check out the military pay charts and 4, 3, and 2 stars with his years of service get the same monthly pay and same retirement pay:
Why bother when he wouldn't even get a retirement pay cut?
i thought china makes it and mexico distributes it?
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