Sasse for President

[hoot1]

Watched Senator Ben Sasse from Nebraska yesterday criticize the Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan. His critique was sharp and to the point. Granted, IMO, his delivery was more impressive than his arguments. Nevertheless, he is an impressive and imposing figure.

As to his conservatism, Wikipedia in part has this to say,

Sasse is considered politically conservative. The American Conservative Union's Center for Legislative Accountability gives him a lifetime rating of 94.[45] The politically liberal Americans for Democratic Action gave him a 2019 score of 5%.[46]

So what do you Cooler conservative and not so conservative Republicans think about Sasse ?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Watched Senator Ben Sasse from Nebraska yesterday criticize the Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan. His critique was sharp and to the point. Granted, IMO, his delivery was more impressive than his arguments. Nevertheless, he is an impressive and imposing figure.

As to his conservatism, Wikipedia in part has this to say,

Sasse is considered politically conservative. The American Conservative Union's Center for Legislative Accountability gives him a lifetime rating of 94.[45] The politically liberal Americans for Democratic Action gave him a 2019 score of 5%.[46]

So what do you Cooler conservative and not so conservative Republicans think about Sasse ?

The trump clan would never come out for him. He wouldn't stand a chance hoot. Smart guy tho.

 

[TMFT]

I'm a lib but I appreciate the thoughtful nature of his criticism of what's happened in Afghanistan. He's one of the handful of elected officials that has enough sense to know that this has child has many parents. The more hacky politicians have laid blame squarely on one person (e.g., Biden for its execution, Trump for making the Taliban deal to be out 3 months ago, Obama for not crushing the Taliban resurgence, Bush for going there in the first place without a real plan for getting out, or the Afghan military for putting up a pretty soft resistance when they got the keys).

Unfortunately for Sen. Sasse's prospects, red meat voters don't care much for thoughtful. They want to have a singular figure to blame. Regardless of how silly it sounds that any one person could be at fault after almost 20 years, that's the world we live in now. He's also not got a chance because he crossed Pres. Trump one too many times and he'd never get out of a primary regardless of conservative bona fides.

here's the statement he put out the other day on it by the way: https://www.sasse.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=0AB6291F-FD5A-48C6-B1C5-5A60E6BF3D94

 

[Univee2]

Watched Senator Ben Sasse from Nebraska yesterday criticize the Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan. His critique was sharp and to the point. Granted, IMO, his delivery was more impressive than his arguments. Nevertheless, he is an impressive and imposing figure.

As to his conservatism, Wikipedia in part has this to say,

Sasse is considered politically conservative. The American Conservative Union's Center for Legislative Accountability gives him a lifetime rating of 94.[45] The politically liberal Americans for Democratic Action gave him a 2019 score of 5%.[46]

So what do you Cooler conservative and not so conservative Republicans think about Sasse ?

Ever see Keith Moon.

That's what Sasse would do to Harris.

 

[Cortez88]

Ever see Keith Moon.

That's what Sasse would do to Harris.

Sasse couldn’t win the GOP primary.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Everyone knows me to be pretty middle of the road guy.

As in if you are a very far left of center, or an easily compromised, right in appearance only and you are in the middle of the road........ look out.

Sasse's needle, to me, is ever so slightly tilted to the acceptable side of the gauge half way mark. He wouldn't be my hill to die on, and would depend on my other options.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Lol no. The RINOs are finished.

 

[hoot1]

Ever see Keith Moon.

That's what Sasse would do to Harris.

It has been awhile since I walked on the Moon.

Uni, help me here.

 

[Cortez88]

Lol no. The RINOs are finished.

Point made. Right here.

 

[Univee2]

It has been awhile since I walked on the Moon.

Uni, help me here.

Keith Moon - Who drummer extraordinaire.

 

[hoot1]

Lol no. The RINOs are finished.

Does not going along with Trump on everything make you a RHINO, or what"

 

[twenty02]

Does not going along with Trump on everything make you a RHINO, or what"

Yes, of course it does. Being quite ironic since Trump was the ultimate RINO. Sasse is much more conservative than Trump.... but the current GOP primary voter only wants a Mountain Dew Comacho type, that will "own the libs"

 

[hoot1]

The trump clan would never come out for him. He wouldn't stand a chance hoot. Smart guy tho.

MM66, what percentage of Republicans who will vote in the 2024 primary will still be part of the Trump clan ?

Between now and then, wouldn't it be possible for a charismatic bonafide conservative to win over many of the Trump clan?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Watched Senator Ben Sasse from Nebraska yesterday criticize the Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan. His critique was sharp and to the point. Granted, IMO, his delivery was more impressive than his arguments. Nevertheless, he is an impressive and imposing figure.

As to his conservatism, Wikipedia in part has this to say,

Sasse is considered politically conservative. The American Conservative Union's Center for Legislative Accountability gives him a lifetime rating of 94.[45] The politically liberal Americans for Democratic Action gave him a 2019 score of 5%.[46]

So what do you Cooler conservative and not so conservative Republicans think about Sasse ?

Sasse is smart and a rock solid conservative. I don't have a big problem with him even though he is too far out there about abortion and gun rights for my taste.

I think the reason you even ask the question about Sasse is because he unloaded on Trump a few times. As I said over and over, I think ideas are important, more important than people. What Sasse thinks of Trump is not particularly relevant to me.

 

[Bowlmania]

He wouldn't stand a chance

Not so sure about that. First, the next presidential election is still a long way off. A lot can happen between now and then. DeSantis, everybody's favorite these days, will have his hands full with a tough gubernatorial race in the meantime.

The party will keep emphasizing the central themes of open borders, socialism, conservative judges and justices, abortion, and cultural/grievance issues, and those themes will continue to resonate with Republican voters. They'll be plenty motivated by the time 2024 rolls around. I could see them rallying around someone like Sasse. Unlike odd-duck DeSantis, who is essentially a Trump mini-me only smarter but without the presence, Sasse is engaging and affable. I think he'd have the capacity of peeling away some moderate Dems in key states. I wouldn't write him off.

 

[hoot1]

Yes, of course it does. Being quite ironic since Trump was the ultimate RINO. Sasse is much more conservative than Trump.... but the current GOP primary voter only wants a Mountain Dew Comacho type, that will "own the libs"

Good point, Sasse does have the air of a college elitist. Too much like an establishment Republican as in the case of Romney.

Being old fashioned, I miss the Daddy Bushes and Mitt Romney types. Compared to Trump, going to their rallies is like watching my high school football coach (who was a biology teacher during the day) give a half time pep talk. He once suggested that we "knock the pudding out of our opponents".

 

[hoot1]

Sasse is smart and a rock solid conservative. I don't have a big problem with him even though he is too far out there about abortion and gun rights for my taste.

I think the reason you even ask the question about Sasse is because he unloaded on Trump a few times. As I said over and over, I think ideas are important, more important than people. What Sasse thinks of Trump is not particularly relevant to me.

IMO Sasse unloading on Biden over Afghanistan without having challenged the Trump withdrawal would have been hypocritical. In this regard, he earned my respect.

I asked about Sasse partly to see if any strong Trump supporters would consider Sasse.

 

[jaygyure]

Yes, of course it does. Being quite ironic since Trump was the ultimate RINO. Sasse is much more conservative than Trump.... but the current GOP primary voter only wants a Mountain Dew Comacho type, that will "own the libs"

Just my opinion that the average primary voter of both parties tend to be members of the far right or far left when the majority of the country is more moderate or in the middle and we get stuck with candidates that the majority of people would rather have someone else. The media doesn't help by really only focusing on the fringe members of congress. There is 435 ish members of house of rep and media will have you believe all dems are like AOC and squad and all repubs are like the Qanon crazies.

 

[TMFT]

MM66, what percentage of Republicans who will vote in the 2024 primary will still be part of the Trump clan ?

Between now and then, wouldn't it be possible for a charismatic bonafide conservative to win over many of the Trump clan?

For the Republicans' sakes, they better hope a big percentage.

It doesn't get said enough, but Donald Trump's coattails absolutely SAVED the GOP in federal elections in 2020. I know they lost some high profile Senate seats, but they were projected to lose a lot more. Trump brought out heretofore very low propensity voters in droves and they made huge gains in 2016 & 2020. The year Trump was not on the ballot, Democrats cleaned up in the House, even the Senate seats they lost (like Donnelly in Indiana) were more like aberrations from 2012 than any kind of consistently D seat.

That's why, IMHO, that the GOP has really leaned into some of the more fringe elements of their party, to try and keep those Trump voters coming to the polls. Because if 2022 R voter totals revert to the mean and the Ds and establishment Rs who defected from the party come out in good numbers, it's going to be a bloodbath.

 

[mcmurtry66]

For the Republicans' sakes, they better hope a big percentage.

It doesn't get said enough, but Donald Trump's coattails absolutely SAVED the GOP in federal elections in 2020. I know they lost some high profile Senate seats, but they were projected to lose a lot more. Trump brought out heretofore very low propensity voters in droves and they made huge gains in 2016 & 2020. The year Trump was not on the ballot, Democrats cleaned up in the House, even the Senate seats they lost (like Donnelly in Indiana) were more like aberrations from 2012 than any kind of consistently D seat.

That's why, IMHO, that the GOP has really leaned into some of the more fringe elements of their party, to try and keep those Trump voters coming to the polls. Because if 2022 R voter totals revert to the mean and the Ds and establishment Rs who defected from the party come out in good numbers, it's going to be a bloodbath.

Yes. Why Sasse types won't cut it.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I asked about Sasse partly to see if any strong Trump supporters would consider Sasse.

I know this. I guess I have had it with the whole idea that a "strong Trump Supporter" is a different kind of Republican. I see your post as a mirror image of that. You imply that an anti-Trumper is also a different kind of Republican. This is just another problem with a whole panoply of problems with politics today.

 

[T.M.P.]

Ever see Keith Moon.

That's what Sasse would do to Harris.

Overplay and butcher timing?

fwiw you should quit watching music and start listening. Music is an audio artform.

No wonder you're confused.

 

[Univee2]

Yes. Why Sasse types won't cut it.

I think you're wrong on this.

The influence of Trump the man will wane. The populism influence won't, but it will be tempered somewhat. Too many give too much credit to Trump. He was just the vessel, accepting all of growing disagreement of the direction of this economy, globalization, wokeness, border shenanigans, gun control, abortion, educational abominations, defund the police and, in what will be an increasingly-important factor, freedom/individualism as it relates to Covid, in whatever variant exists in the future.

Nearly everyone I know who voted for Trump - and I know a lot of them - felt then and feel today that Trump was and is a buffoon. Nevertheless, as is proven daily and which has been blatantly exposed recently, the fecklessness of the left and their divorce from, and disdain for, great swaths of the country will result in the turnover in the House and a GOP senate majority. The two-year battle rattle will then commence. The right person will emerge to defeat Harris. That person will be strong in that they will make the case for the "Trump forever" clan in a much more concise and meaningful way while ensuring a normalcy that moderate Republicans and independents will readily embrace.

The proof will be in the framing. The battle will be with the bought-and-paid-for media which will do everything within its power to define the 2024 GOP candidates as nothing more than Trump clones. One only needs reminded of the the awful things written and said about Bush, McCain and Romney, despite all their recent "sainthood" by the degenerate media.

Sasse has a tremendous shot. And he's not alone. There will be a strong candidate who will emerge and I think any splits you now might see - and don't let a few whistling-past-the-graveyard libs here and elsewhere try to trick you into believing otherwise - will be a non-factor. Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, the Squad, CNN, the NYT, MSNBC and Hollywood, among others, will guarantee it.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I know this. I guess I have had it with the whole idea that a "strong Trump Supporter" is a different kind of Republican. I see your post as a mirror image of that. You imply that an anti-Trumper is also a different kind of Republican. This is just another problem with a whole panoply of problems with politics today.

They probably are different. We saw it in the D party, the Bernie/Warren voters didn't want someone out of the moderate wing. Our resident Bernie Bro has no interest in what moderate Democrats say. I've posted several links about the R fault line of Buckley working hard to get Republicans to disavow the Birch society and of course the Birch Society's hatred of Ike.

Both wings have populists. At times the populists are closer to each other than the rest of the party.

 

[ulrey]

The trump clan would never come out for him. He wouldn't stand a chance hoot. Smart guy tho.

What Trump clan?

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

What Trump clan?

 

[Stuffshot]

I think you're wrong on this.

The influence of Trump the man will wane. The populism influence won't, but it will be tempered somewhat. Too many give too much credit to Trump. He was just the vessel, accepting all of growing disagreement of the direction of this economy, globalization, wokeness, border shenanigans, gun control, abortion, educational abominations, defund the police and, in what will be an increasingly-important factor, freedom/individualism as it relates to Covid, in whatever variant exists in the future.

Nearly everyone I know who voted for Trump - and I know a lot of them - felt then and feel today that Trump was and is a buffoon. Nevertheless, as is proven daily and which has been blatantly exposed recently, the fecklessness of the left and their divorce from, and disdain for, great swaths of the country will result in the turnover in the House and a GOP senate majority. The two-year battle rattle will then commence. The right person will emerge to defeat Harris. That person will be strong in that they will make the case for the "Trump forever" clan in a much more concise and meaningful way while ensuring a normalcy that moderate Republicans and independents will readily embrace.

The proof will be in the framing. The battle will be with the bought-and-paid-for media which will do everything within its power to define the 2024 GOP candidates as nothing more than Trump clones. One only needs reminded of the the awful things written and said about Bush, McCain and Romney, despite all their recent "sainthood" by the degenerate media.

Sasse has a tremendous shot. And he's not alone. There will be a strong candidate who will emerge and I think any splits you now might see - and don't let a few whistling-past-the-graveyard libs here and elsewhere try to trick you into believing otherwise - will be a non-factor. Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, the Squad, CNN, the NYT, MSNBC and Hollywood, among others, will guarantee it.

I think you've over-generalized about Democrats. As an example, Democrats in Georgia certainly didn't seem feckless. They got organized in the face of Republican/Trumpic BS and won three major elections in Georgia. Those non-feckless Georgia Democrats haven't gone anywhere.

One big danger for Republicans is the numerous Republican claims of "election fraud" and dubious changes in state election procedure supposedly to prevent "election fraud." Many Republicans realize these claims of fraud are crap. That garbage could backfire. At most, claims of "election fraud" will solidify the Trump rightwing base but don't seem likely to draw new voters to the GOP, which it desperately needs. Garbage just isn't appealing.

And, the Republicans in several traditionally-Red states seemingly haven't noticed that their states are changing to Red Violet or Violet and may be headed toward outright Blue. The GOP powers in some states are still making the same tired it-doesn't matter-what-we-say-because-we're-Republicans arguments. I'm watching three such states in the South that don't seem to realize that a number of Blue voters now live among them.

The GOP may be far too optimistic.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I think you've over-generalized about Democrats. As an example, Democrats in Georgia certainly didn't seem feckless. They got organized in the face of Republican/Trumpic BS and won three major elections in Georgia. Those non-feckless Georgia Democrats haven't gone anywhere.

One big danger for Republicans is the numerous Republican claims of "election fraud" and dubious changes in state election procedure supposedly to prevent "election fraud." Many Republicans realize these claims of fraud are crap. That garbage could backfire. At most, claims of "election fraud" will solidify the Trump rightwing base but don't seem likely to draw new voters to the GOP, which it desperately needs. Garbage just isn't appealing.

And, the Republicans in several traditionally-Red states seemingly haven't noticed that their states are changing to Red Violet or Violet and may be headed toward outright Blue. The GOP powers in some states are still making the same tired it-doesn't matter-what-we-say-because-we're-Republicans arguments. I'm watching three such states in the South that don't seem to realize that a number of Blue voters now live among them.

The GOP may be far too optimistic.

If the dems keep going at the current pace i trust gop optimism will rightfully soar

 

[CO. Hoosier]

They probably are different. We saw it in the D party, the Bernie/Warren voters didn't want someone out of the moderate wing. Our resident Bernie Bro has no interest in what moderate Democrats say. I've posted several links about the R fault line of Buckley working hard to get Republicans to disavow the Birch society and of course the Birch Society's hatred of Ike.

Both wings have populists. At times the populists are closer to each other than the rest of the party.

I don't think disagreements make that much of a difference--unless people are so strident and intolerant they can't accept differences. I think the intolerance is more between parties than intra-party.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I don't think disagreements make that much of a difference--unless people are so strident and intolerant they can't accept differences. I think the intolerance is more between parties than intra-party.

As for rivalry, yes the two parties have more. But staying home on election day is a passive-aggressive action that some on both sides take when "their candidate" doesn't win the primary. You commented about the RINO name, do you think people who use that as a pejorative are as likely to vote for the person being called that as the candidate of their choice? Staying home or Libertarian seem possible to me

 

[ulrey]

Good lord you suck at this..

 

[Stuffshot]

If the dems keep going at the current pace i trust gop optimism will rightfully soar

We'll see. The Republicans screwed themselves in 2020. Trump would have won a second term comfortably if he had listened to me.

The Demographics will be even worse for the GOP in 2022.

I suppose it's possible that Republicans have gotten smarter in the 9 months since, but several ongoing examples like this one (in addition to the usual "free spaces" of Republican craziness like Giuliani and Taylor-Green) are more noticeable:

Arizona Senate president says Maricopa audit report being prepared

Arizona Senate President Karen Fann provided a brief update on the progress of a report on the 2020 election audit conducted in Maricopa County.

news.yahoo.com

 

[mcmurtry66]

We'll see. The Republicans screwed themselves in 2020. Trump would have won a second term comfortably if he had listened to me.

The Demographics will be even worse for the GOP in 2022.

I suppose it's possible that Republicans have gotten smarter in the 9 months since, but several ongoing examples like this one (in addition to the usual "free spaces" of Republican craziness like Giuliani and Taylor-Green) are more noticeable:

Arizona Senate president says Maricopa audit report being prepared

Arizona Senate President Karen Fann provided a brief update on the progress of a report on the 2020 election audit conducted in Maricopa County.

news.yahoo.com

i don't think it has much to do w/ the repubs getting smarter at the moment. as i said "at this pace." right now the repubs could scream about the disaster at the boarder, bidenflation, soaring violent crime, crazy spending, international embarrassments, harris being the vapid person we expected, biden being old and mia, etc. now you and i know that there's far more to all of this but i'll remind you of george carlin's quote on how stupid the average person is. so if the election were today i trust it would be as much about the dems ineptitude as the repubs "getting smarter." the dems appear to be their own worst enemy at the moment. free money and eviction stays won't last forever.

as for the demographics being worse in 2022 the maps will be better.

 

[mcmurtry66]

As for rivalry, yes the two parties have more. But staying home on election day is a passive-aggressive action that some on both sides take when "their candidate" doesn't win the primary. You commented about the RINO name, do you think people who use that as a pejorative are as likely to vote for the person being called that as the candidate of their choice? Staying home or Libertarian seem possible to me

The lib candidate Jorgensen wasn't very strong. I'd love to see a strong lib. My own ideology most aligns with the libs but it's pissing a vote away.

 

[Univee2]

i don't think it has much to do w/ the repubs getting smarter at the moment. as i said "at this pace." right now the repubs could scream about the disaster at the boarder, bidenflation, soaring violent crime, crazy spending, international embarrassments, harris being the vapid person we expected, biden being old and mia, etc. now you and i know that there's far more to all of this but i'll remind you of george carlin's quote on how stupid the average person is. so if the election were today i trust it would be as much about the dems ineptitude as the repubs "getting smarter." the dems appear to be their own worst enemy at the moment. free money and eviction stays won't last forever.

as for the demographics being worse in 2022 the maps will be better.

The vote for GOP candidates by blacks and Hispanics, locally, state and federal, will improve again in the midterms and 2024. Suburban White women, now aware of the threat of defund the police and having their children smeared by "educators," will come home.

 

[IUINSB]

i don't think it has much to do w/ the repubs getting smarter at the moment. as i said "at this pace." right now the repubs could scream about the disaster at the boarder, bidenflation, soaring violent crime, crazy spending, international embarrassments, harris being the vapid person we expected, biden being old and mia, etc. now you and i know that there's far more to all of this but i'll remind you of george carlin's quote on how stupid the average person is. so if the election were today i trust it would be as much about the dems ineptitude as the repubs "getting smarter." the dems appear to be their own worst enemy at the moment. free money and eviction stays won't last forever.

As it always has been.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Watched Senator Ben Sasse from Nebraska yesterday criticize the Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan. His critique was sharp and to the point. Granted, IMO, his delivery was more impressive than his arguments. Nevertheless, he is an impressive and imposing figure.

As to his conservatism, Wikipedia in part has this to say,

Sasse is considered politically conservative. The American Conservative Union's Center for Legislative Accountability gives him a lifetime rating of 94.[45] The politically liberal Americans for Democratic Action gave him a 2019 score of 5%.[46]

So what do you Cooler conservative and not so conservative Republicans think about Sasse ?

He's one of my favorites.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Lol no. The RINOs are finished.

I sure hope they're finished. Trump and his RINO crew, along with Trumpism, need to be expunged from the party. Glad you agree.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

I sure hope they're finished. Trump and his RINO crew, along with Trumpism, need to be expunged from the party. Glad you agree.

Well played Mitt, well played. I sure hope you typed that with your pinky out.

I envision you as a Ron Burgundy, Pinky out.

 

[UncleMark]

The trump clan would never come out for him. He wouldn't stand a chance hoot. Smart guy tho.

Sasse couldn’t win the GOP primary.

Lol no. The RINOs are finished.

Sasse is Paul Ryan 2.0. Fine man, good principled Senator, but not going to ever be big on a national stage.