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Russia-Ukraine war has begun

Listen up, gather around, what I am about to say will totally piss MAGA off.
The messaging of how biden is trying to escalate the Russian war in Ukraine, because he has approved longer range target hits, with US supplied weapons is a total hypocritical load of horse shit! MAGA, Trump yourself if you are pumping this, knock it the eff off NOW! you look stupid as a democrat pumping this crap.
You won, don't lose me now with this stupid crap! Hypocrite is Hyprocrite, any way you slice it.
Ok, I think I'm done now. ... But KNOCK IT OFF !
 
Listen up, gather around, what I am about to say will totally piss MAGA off.
The messaging of how biden is trying to escalate the Russian war in Ukraine, because he has approved longer range target hits, with US supplied weapons is a total hypocritical load of horse shit! MAGA, Trump yourself if you are pumping this, knock it the eff off NOW! you look stupid as a democrat pumping this crap.
You won, don't lose me now with this stupid crap! Hypocrite is Hyprocrite, any way you slice it.
Ok, I think I'm done now. ... But KNOCK IT OFF !
For f*cks sake, dude. Not the thread for this shit. Go start another one.
 
For f*cks sake, dude. Not the thread for this shit. Go start another one.
OK OK OK... But the right wing media is spinning crap about long range weapons use by Ukraine. I totally understand that it may be walking a thin line of this thread, but it's about the future victory of the UAF's.
I'm kinda on your'alls side on this, aren't I? Newsmax and others need to STFU on this crap.
I'm more than acceptable to bend for you, but isn't this Ukraine war thread pertinent?
 
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"State Duma deputy Andrei Gurulyov, said that if the U.S. keeps supplying these missiles: "There will essentially be nothing left of America, which is trying to drag us into escalation. There will be no Biden or Trump. America is being inflicted with 95 percent total damage."
 
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"State Duma deputy Andrei Gurulyov, said that if the U.S. keeps supplying these missiles: "There will essentially be nothing left of America, which is trying to drag us into escalation. There will be no Biden or Trump. America is being inflicted with 95 percent total damage."
Ever notice the smack talk that a midget wrestler talkes to an MMA fighter, BEFORE the fight?
Putty, you are the midget and you have designed your entire country to worship lord ****wad. How do you think they fell right now? Maybe just like how you have tucked tail and ran from all other losses in the last 40 yrs? Your aggression has failed, and you are fighting 50 year old tech.
Are you REALLY sure that you want to see the real shit? REALLY?
 


We need to pump the brakes on this stuff. I don't believe for a minute that Ukraine is going to be able to reclaim that territory and this is ratcheting up to a point where a mistake could cause things to spiral wildly. No offense to Ukrainians, but I am not interested in getting in a real shooting war with Russia over them and I think that Russia is acting pretty haphazardly on their own.
 


We need to pump the brakes on this stuff. I don't believe for a minute that Ukraine is going to be able to reclaim that territory and this is ratcheting up to a point where a mistake could cause things to spiral wildly. No offense to Ukrainians, but I am not interested in getting in a real shooting war with Russia over them and I think that Russia is acting pretty haphazardly on their own.
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The missile had MIRV capabilities. They basically simulated a nuclear attack on a population center. That is outrageously irresponsible behavior on their part but Biden allowing the use of our missiles to attack targets in Russia was also an unnecessary escalation.
 
You mean, allowing a country to defend itself against its aggressor? Come on man. Stop buying right wing nonsense.
It isn't right wing nonsense. Ukraine can defend itself, if it wants to lob long range missiles into Russia, they are free to develop their own and do so. What I don't want is to get pulled further into a conflict that we really need to question the necessity of being involved in.

What would our response be if Russia had supplied Iraq or Afghanistan with ballistic missiles that they then fired on Chicago to defend themselves?
 
Yeah, they are, so how far are we willing to go?
Dead terrorist don't terrorize anymore. Yes I know that is overly simplistic.
The Russian Oligarchs have to feel enough pain, to create a regime change. While that chaos is unfolding, the world moves in and creates real change. How all of this happens, well above my pay grade. But Russia can not be allowed to retain any gains from it's efforts in this war. Rewarding negative actions is just not something that the world can allow. If not now, shortly will be the time to step on Russia throat. It's not our sole responsibility, but this is what really must happen. He started it, the world needs to finish it (and him/ them)
 
Dead terrorist don't terrorize anymore. Yes I know that is overly simplistic.
The Russian Oligarchs have to feel enough pain, to create a regime change. While that chaos is unfolding, the world moves in and creates real change. How all of this happens, well above my pay grade. But Russia can not be allowed to retain any gains from it's efforts in this war. Rewarding negative actions is just not something that the world can allow. If not now, shortly will be the time to step on Russia throat. It's not our sole responsibility, but this is what really must happen. He started it, the world needs to finish it (and him/ them)
You aren't stepping on their throat without a nuclear exchange.
 
You aren't stepping on their throat without a nuclear exchange.
I disagree, and I don't do well when some bully is holding something over my head, that we all know, if they decide to utilize that threat, is total self destruction. There's only one thing that defeats a bully.
 
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The missile had MIRV capabilities. They basically simulated a nuclear attack on a population center. That is outrageously irresponsible behavior on their part but Biden allowing the use of our missiles to attack targets in Russia was also an unnecessary escalation.
So it's our fault Russia is acting irresponsibly?
 
Yeah, they are, so how far are we willing to go?
Unfortunately, unless we want to be bullied the next few decades, we should be willinyg to go as far we they are.

Ukraine is developing their own long range weapons which are supposed to be going online next year. Who will Russia blame then?
 
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They won't be able to continue if oil drops drastically, which it will soon.
Russia has been bleeding out, their hidden and shielded population are starting to understand and be informed. It's time to close the casket, but it must be in a very big, global effort. Peace through EXTREME strength. World wide strength.
 
Russia has been bleeding out, their hidden and shielded population are starting to understand and be informed. It's time to close the casket, but it must be in a very big, global effort. Peace through EXTREME strength. World wide strength.
However way it goes, I don't think Putin will be around this time next year.

My prediction is, he will reach some kind of deal where Russian forces are with drawn and a DMZ is established (sort of like Erdgoan's proposal - which is what I've been proposing) or some international peacekeepers come in; Putin declares victory over the Nazis and retires to his fortified dacha.

Or, Ukrainians hang on and develop their own long range weapons and begin lobbing them near and around Moscow and Putin falls out of a tall building.
 
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Russia has been bleeding out, their hidden and shielded population are starting to understand and be informed. It's time to close the casket, but it must be in a very big, global effort. Peace through EXTREME strength. World wide strength.
The Western equipment Ukraine used is antiquated and surplus in reality. Ukraine has nothing modern from US stock.

If Russia has the 2nd most powerful military in the world then there is a big gap between #1 and #2
 
Ukraine using long range missiles fromUS, UK, and France to strike inside Russia, Russia responds with hypersonic MIRVS, for which there is no defense, and we have no effective President. Yikes.
 
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From ISW 11/29/24

The Russian military's rate of advance since Fall 2024 has notably increased recently compared to its rate of advance in 2023 and the rest of 2024, but recent Western media reports comparing recent Russian gains to those at the start of Russia's full-scale invasion continue to mischaracterize the gradual and tactical nature of Russia's recent advances.[4] ISW assesses that Russian forces have gained 574 square kilometers since November 1, 2024 — an average rate of 22 square kilometers per day. This is remarkably less than the 1,265 square kilometers per day that ISW assesses Russian forces were gaining in March 2022. Reuters' November 26 report that Russian forces "control" over 80 percent of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts is also misleading.[5] ISW assesses that while Russian forces occupy roughly 99 percent of Luhansk Oblast, Russian forces only occupy about 66 percent of Donetsk Oblast. Russian forces have occupied almost the entirety of Luhansk Oblast since Fall 2022 but have occupied significantly less territory in Donetsk Oblast throughout the war. ISW recently assessed that Russian forces still need to seize over 8,000 square kilometers of territory to achieve the Kremlin's self-defined objective of seizing the territory of Donetsk Oblast.[6] Russian forces would seize the remainder of Donetsk Oblast in roughly one year should Russian forces continue their recent relatively quicker rate of advance — which is not a given. Russian forces notably have been bypassing Ukrainian strongpoints, and Ukraine still has several well-defended cities in Donetsk Oblast, such as Slovyansk and Kramatorsk, that Russian forces likely cannot seize as rapidly as they have with the rural fields near Pokrovsk. ISW continues to assess that Russian forces have not been able to restore operational maneuver to the battlefield to make deep penetrations into Ukrainian positions, as seen in the initial months of the full-scale invasion.[7] Russian forces have instead been exploiting identified vulnerabilities in Ukrainian defenses to make gradual advances.[8]
 
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