Renamed - THE Israel-Iran war thread.
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Maybe. Think it's way to early to really know
Rubio breaks into laughter when Trump asked about NATO chief calling him 'daddy'
Turbulent Start To Iran-Israel Ceasefire But It’s Holding, At Least For Now
The U.S. president railed against Israel and Iran after signs that the ceasefire he helped broker was evaporating. The U.S. president railed against Israel and Iran after signs that the ceasefire he helped broker was evaporating.
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Middle East unrest drives conversation on US troop presence
Potential plans to reduce force size in Central Command areas and Europe are up in the air.
www.defenseone.com
Early US intelligence report suggests US strikes only set back Iran’s nuclear program by months
A new U.S. intelligence report suggests that Iran’s nuclear program has been set back only a few months after U.S. strikes, not “completely and totally obliterated” as President Donald Trump has said.
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GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator Successor In The Works
Here's what we know about the new weapon being sought to replace the B-2's MOP and equip the B-21 in the future.
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Just stop!Turbulent Start To Iran-Israel Ceasefire But It’s Holding, At Least For Now
The U.S. president railed against Israel and Iran after signs that the ceasefire he helped broker was evaporating. The U.S. president railed against Israel and Iran after signs that the ceasefire he helped broker was evaporating.
Middle East unrest drives conversation on US troop presence
Potential plans to reduce force size in Central Command areas and Europe are up in the air.
Early US intelligence report suggests US strikes only set back Iran’s nuclear program by months
A new U.S. intelligence report suggests that Iran’s nuclear program has been set back only a few months after U.S. strikes, not “completely and totally obliterated” as President Donald Trump has said.
Photos show damage in Haifa and Tel Aviv in the latest Iranian missile barrage
TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Photos show the damage in Haifa and Tel Aviv in the latest Iranian missile barrage on Israel following US strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.
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You are the worst Hickory. Such a pussy coming back and hiding under another name. You slinked away like a coward you are.
Trump Says Iranian Nuclear Deal Isn’t Necessary After U.S. Strikes
The president pushed back on an intelligence report saying the strikes only set back Tehran’s nuclear ambitions by a few months.
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June 25, 2025 at 7:36 PM ET
President Trump said he doesn’t think a nuclear deal with Iran is necessary after the U.S. strikes on three Iranian nuclear sites, though he added there would be talks with Tehran next week. He said the U.S. would be asking the Iranians for the same thing before Israel attacked Iran. "We want no nuclear," the president said, adding: "We destroyed the nuclear."
Speaking from the NATO summit, Trump said he believed the cease-fire between Israel and Iran would hold. The president signaled that he wouldn’t stop China from buying oil from Iran, saying Tehran needs the money “to put that country back into shape.”
Trump also pushed back on a leaked intelligence report that said the U.S. strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities only set back Tehran’s nuclear ambitions by a few months. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said the FBI has started a probe into how the preliminary assessment became public.
The Defense Intelligence Agency, which produced the classified report, on Wednesday said the report was “a preliminary, low-confidence assessment—not a final conclusion.”
Israel’s atomic agency said the U.S. and Israeli strikes together have set back Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons by many years, although Israel’s military and intelligence services are still investigating the extent of the damage.
So if the net effect of these strikes is that the Iranian nuclear ambitions are set back a few years, does this mean the US or Israel has to bomb them every few years or so to maintain this position?
That doesn't seem like a great outcome here.
That doesn't seem like a great outcome here.
Refer to your own quote regarding the DIA assessment: "a preliminary low-confidence assessment - not a final conclusion...
All this angst as to the duration of the setbacks to their program is much ado about nothing (in regard to the success of the US attacks)...
The fact is that between our efforts and those of the Israelis we have set them back (more likely years rather than months) and the correct answer to your question is yes they will eventually have to be hit again (by the Israelis and possibly us) because the death cult led by the Mullahs will never give up their aspirations to destroy both Israel and the United States...
People (and the news media) are completely missing the mark when it comes to critiquing the Trump Administration in regard to striking Iran... The real (and only) failure was our lacking the will to expand our strikes to include the Iranian leadership and our having reined in Israel from doing the same... Having allowed them to survive insures that we will eventually have to revisit a similar problem sometime in the future...
Trump wants to believe the Iranian leadership has some rational actors within it who truly want to abandon their murderous stated goals and become a functional part of the civilized world... They don't exist ...
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Seems like that bolded part, under your own reasoning (which I tend to agree with even if I have strong reservations about it), is by far the most important part, isn't it?
Did the U.S. really just sign up for a bombing run on Iran every three or four years in perpetuity?
Maybe next time we'll finish the job... I doubt we will though we always want to believe that the bad guys will eventually come around that our way of thinking... Why we believe this baffles me...
Optimism and over confidence are kinda baked into the American psyche.
Regime change in Iran in the near term is unlikely. Iranians are suffering economically and are traumatized by the recent war which they tend to blame on the 86-year-old Ayatollah so they want regime change but not created from without.
Meanwhile opposition within Iran has been so thoroughly quashed for decades that it’s unlikely any grassroots regime change could be imminent.
Meanwhile opposition within Iran has been so thoroughly quashed for decades that it’s unlikely any grassroots regime change could be imminent.
It won't be 3-4 years, it will be much further apart. We will get ourselves an admin for 4-8 years that fund Irans efforts, and then 4-8 years of an admin that will fund it's destruction. Lather, Rinse, Repeat. Sadly.
Uproar Over Leaked Intelligence Underlines Murky View of Iran Strikes — The Wall Street Journal
Trump’s claims of crippling damage don’t address whether Tehran moved a stockpile of highly enriched uranium
Back on topic.
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taskandpurpose.com
"Between 2003 and 2011, Iranian proxies killed more than 600 U.S. troops in Iraq, according to a 2019 estimate from the Pentagon. Since 2011, there have been 369 Iranian-backed attacks consisting of rockets, drones and missiles, according to an ongoing count by Ari Cicurel, associate director of foreign policy at Jewish Institute for National Security of America.
"Attacks against American troops ramped up in 2023 after the U.S. stood behind Israel in its war against Hamas following the Oct. 7 attacks. In fact, more than half of the attacks since 2011 have occurred since Oct. 7, 2023, including the Jan. 28, 2024, drone attack on Tower 22 in Jordan that killed three soldiers."
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Here’s the role an Ohio-class submarine played in the strikes on Iran
A single U.S. Navy submarine launched over two dozen Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles into Iran, striking a nuclear facility at Isfahan.
www.militarytimes.com
US, Iran move out of ‘shadow war’ but threat from proxy militias may remain
After decades of using proxies to attack U.S. troops, experts say Iran's network has been degraded, but small groups still pose a threat.
taskandpurpose.com
"Between 2003 and 2011, Iranian proxies killed more than 600 U.S. troops in Iraq, according to a 2019 estimate from the Pentagon. Since 2011, there have been 369 Iranian-backed attacks consisting of rockets, drones and missiles, according to an ongoing count by Ari Cicurel, associate director of foreign policy at Jewish Institute for National Security of America.
"Attacks against American troops ramped up in 2023 after the U.S. stood behind Israel in its war against Hamas following the Oct. 7 attacks. In fact, more than half of the attacks since 2011 have occurred since Oct. 7, 2023, including the Jan. 28, 2024, drone attack on Tower 22 in Jordan that killed three soldiers."
Claims Swirl Over Extent Of Damage From Attacks On Iranian Nuclear Facilities (Updated)
The result of 12 days of war and a U.S. bombing raid on Iran's nuclear program remain hotly contested, spurred by conflicting intel reports.
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Flooding the thread with links to pieces which you haven’t read and offering no commentary is not “on topic”. It’s some kind of weird self-serving exercise.Back on topic.
Here’s the role an Ohio-class submarine played in the strikes on Iran
A single U.S. Navy submarine launched over two dozen Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles into Iran, striking a nuclear facility at Isfahan.
US, Iran move out of ‘shadow war’ but threat from proxy militias may remain
After decades of using proxies to attack U.S. troops, experts say Iran's network has been degraded, but small groups still pose a threat.
"Between 2003 and 2011, Iranian proxies killed more than 600 U.S. troops in Iraq, according to a 2019 estimate from the Pentagon. Since 2011, there have been 369 Iranian-backed attacks consisting of rockets, drones and missiles, according to an ongoing count by Ari Cicurel, associate director of foreign policy at Jewish Institute for National Security of America.
"Attacks against American troops ramped up in 2023 after the U.S. stood behind Israel in its war against Hamas following the Oct. 7 attacks. In fact, more than half of the attacks since 2011 have occurred since Oct. 7, 2023, including the Jan. 28, 2024, drone attack on Tower 22 in Jordan that killed three soldiers."
Claims Swirl Over Extent Of Damage From Attacks On Iranian Nuclear Facilities (Updated)
The result of 12 days of war and a U.S. bombing raid on Iran's nuclear program remain hotly contested, spurred by conflicting intel reports.
If you come across a piece you feel is insightful and want to share, by all means link it. Explain why you think people should read it.
When you flood the zone with hours of reading a day it just becomes white noise to the rest of us
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In your opinion will Israel and the US quickly figure out where the enriched uranium is if any were moved?Back on topic.
Here’s the role an Ohio-class submarine played in the strikes on Iran
A single U.S. Navy submarine launched over two dozen Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles into Iran, striking a nuclear facility at Isfahan.
US, Iran move out of ‘shadow war’ but threat from proxy militias may remain
After decades of using proxies to attack U.S. troops, experts say Iran's network has been degraded, but small groups still pose a threat.
"Between 2003 and 2011, Iranian proxies killed more than 600 U.S. troops in Iraq, according to a 2019 estimate from the Pentagon. Since 2011, there have been 369 Iranian-backed attacks consisting of rockets, drones and missiles, according to an ongoing count by Ari Cicurel, associate director of foreign policy at Jewish Institute for National Security of America.
"Attacks against American troops ramped up in 2023 after the U.S. stood behind Israel in its war against Hamas following the Oct. 7 attacks. In fact, more than half of the attacks since 2011 have occurred since Oct. 7, 2023, including the Jan. 28, 2024, drone attack on Tower 22 in Jordan that killed three soldiers."
Claims Swirl Over Extent Of Damage From Attacks On Iranian Nuclear Facilities (Updated)
The result of 12 days of war and a U.S. bombing raid on Iran's nuclear program remain hotly contested, spurred by conflicting intel reports.
This sentence from your last link sticks out like a sore thumb and is very troubling.Back on topic.
Here’s the role an Ohio-class submarine played in the strikes on Iran
A single U.S. Navy submarine launched over two dozen Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles into Iran, striking a nuclear facility at Isfahan.
US, Iran move out of ‘shadow war’ but threat from proxy militias may remain
After decades of using proxies to attack U.S. troops, experts say Iran's network has been degraded, but small groups still pose a threat.
"Between 2003 and 2011, Iranian proxies killed more than 600 U.S. troops in Iraq, according to a 2019 estimate from the Pentagon. Since 2011, there have been 369 Iranian-backed attacks consisting of rockets, drones and missiles, according to an ongoing count by Ari Cicurel, associate director of foreign policy at Jewish Institute for National Security of America.
"Attacks against American troops ramped up in 2023 after the U.S. stood behind Israel in its war against Hamas following the Oct. 7 attacks. In fact, more than half of the attacks since 2011 have occurred since Oct. 7, 2023, including the Jan. 28, 2024, drone attack on Tower 22 in Jordan that killed three soldiers."
Claims Swirl Over Extent Of Damage From Attacks On Iranian Nuclear Facilities (Updated)
The result of 12 days of war and a U.S. bombing raid on Iran's nuclear program remain hotly contested, spurred by conflicting intel reports.
“Clearly this issue [Bomb damage] is highly politicized at this point and there are many agendas at play when it comes to propagating specific narratives surrounding it.”
This doesn’t speak at all well of our politics but I think it’s a true statement. For his part, Trump spoke in terms of obliteration. I always thought that ment all the ordinance hit precisely where it was supposed to and those points were developed after months or maybe years of painstaking review of images and human intelligence. One the other hand, Trump opponents spoke in terms of little damage and we even had somebody (presumably an anti-Trumper) buried deep in the government intelligence structure deliberately cherry pick a piece of intelligence and give it to a known anti-Trump news organization for publication. I don’t understand this kind of politicizing of events at all. Why would somebody risk going to prison because they want to score a meaningless point?
Actually, I have read nearly every one of them. I admittedly skim a few. I doubt you read any of them. Don't project your total ignorance on others. I link them to give others a chance to read them or at least skim them. I also link them for ignorant posters like you who I know are happy to opine on any subject despite knowing jack squat about the subject. Go **** yourself, dipshit.
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Agree for the most part. The President doesn't help himself with imprecise language. However, he and others are now claiming before the BDA is completed that they know the damage was total. That's unknown. Two things could be true: (1) the strike mission was a great success at hitting every assigned target, and (2) that the extent of the damage that resulted is not yet known.
I despise leakers of any classified information. I've made that extremely clear over the years.
I think every effort is being made to find it. It's also possible that if any was moved, that its location is already known.
Do satellite s or surveillance aircraft have sensors that can find enriched uranium?
I don't know. I'm pretty sure that's something I couldn't tell you if I did know.
It's no secret that some aircraft, ships, etc. can detect radiation, but I couldn't tell you ranges or types of radiation that they can detect.
Depends upon range and what the uranium is being stored in. In general, (IIRC) it is not something that can be done long range unless the uranium has been exposed to the atmosphere for a period of time (and in that case, it is more of the contaminated atmosphere that you are detecting, not the uranium itself). I've heard of lasers that can be used to identify uranium at a range of a couple of miles, but that is a direct line-of-sight application where the laser bounces off the uranium itself.
Evidently, according to the state department briefing, at Fordow the US targeted six vents with six Bunker busters with a 100% success rate.
Brilliant if you ask me. The bunker busters don’t even necessarily have to penetrate concrete if they can just go down a vent. Of course, who knows how many curves and turns the vents might have but in any case it sounds like they had a seriously sophisticated plan to succeed with this mission and the IAEA is saying that all of the centrifuges at Fordow were destroyed.
Brilliant if you ask me. The bunker busters don’t even necessarily have to penetrate concrete if they can just go down a vent. Of course, who knows how many curves and turns the vents might have but in any case it sounds like they had a seriously sophisticated plan to succeed with this mission and the IAEA is saying that all of the centrifuges at Fordow were destroyed.
More whine and cheese.
Hegseth torched those fools today. That is the perk of a Fox News host SecDef.
When the press needs a verbal lashing for their malfeasance, he can give it to them like a Mattis or Austin can’t. Pugilistic, repartee isn’t high on the list of SecDef qualifications I would imagine, but it doesn’t hurt.
When the press needs a verbal lashing for their malfeasance, he can give it to them like a Mattis or Austin can’t. Pugilistic, repartee isn’t high on the list of SecDef qualifications I would imagine, but it doesn’t hurt.
White liberal women are literally the craziest people on the planet. The cause of almost all the problems in this country. Watch this video and tell me this isn't true. This is probably the same whacko that pops the champagne every time a baby gets aborted.
It's also hilarious though. "GD it get us a net" 😂
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