Ranking All 18 B10 Football HC's - Article from Wisky site
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Recruiting isn't just done by coaches. If you don't believe all the talking heads and their love fest for certain coaches and programs doesn't impact players, you're simply being naive. The 24/7/365 talk of Saban/Bama, Smart/UGA, Day/OSU, etc. has to influence kids.
Congrats to all those who have top programs year in and year out and have won a natty. Job well done.
However, based on 2024 and previous seasons at previous schools, give me Coach Cig!
Congrats to all those who have top programs year in and year out and have won a natty. Job well done.
However, based on 2024 and previous seasons at previous schools, give me Coach Cig!
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It is hard to rate teams and coaches but even though I think Cignetti is very good one year isn't enough for others that don't look at his record before IU. We don't know if this staff can overcome all obstacles at IUFB to move them to the top of the B1G. People at Purdue thought Brohm was going to take PU there after beating OSU but he couldn't. I like to think coach Cignetti is better than Brohm.
When you are born on 3rd base, you are forever suspect. He never had to fight his way from the bottom up: he took the elevator.
He might have been born on 3rd base but he just recently crossed home plate with the roster he put together and developed
How much of it was actually him? There are a lot of advantages coaching at OSU. There are a lot of coaches that could do better than he has.
Are you trying to imply that Day didn’t do a lot to win a natty? It was his assistants?
They have 9 titles
Paul Brown 1
Woody Hayes 5
Jim Tressel 1
Urban Meyer 1
Ryan Day 1
They have 3 titles in 54 years. If it’s so easy for them to win one, don’t you think with the money and resources that they’d have more? Winning a National Title is hard, you just don’t luck into it. They run they just went on is enough to give the man his due. Tennessee-Oregon-Texas-ND.
And all double digit wins. He definitely deserved criticism after the Michigan game but he also deserves praise for winning the title in the fashion they just did.
You don't believe me, ask OSU fans. They were ready to fire him not that long ago. Taking over for Urban at OSU is the easiest path there is.
The thread is about ranking coaches. Coaches have to recruit and win, while also being CEO of all things football at the same time. That's what we use to judge them for these lists. Whether or not some people have easier paths, that doesn't mean they aren't doing a great job. They also have a much smaller margin for error even though they have those built in advantages. Day gets an A+ for both recruiting and winning this past season. How does that not make him the clearcut #1 on this list for everyone? Franklin gets an A+ for recruiting, but I would give him a B- for his wins at best. He just beats the teams that have less talent than his teams. If they are equal or better in terms of talent, he loses almost all the time.
Lanning gets an A+ for recruiting and an A for wins from me for last season. That makes him #2. Cig gets an A for both, but I'd still put Ferentz at 3rd because he's been doing what we all hope Cig can replicate for over 20 years at Iowa. Bielema also gets a bump to 5th because he crushed it at Wisky, and now he's doing it again at Illannoy. Had Franklin not beaten SMU and Boise, which he should've beaten because his teams were much more talented, then I'd drop him out of the top 10 altogether.
Lanning gets an A+ for recruiting and an A for wins from me for last season. That makes him #2. Cig gets an A for both, but I'd still put Ferentz at 3rd because he's been doing what we all hope Cig can replicate for over 20 years at Iowa. Bielema also gets a bump to 5th because he crushed it at Wisky, and now he's doing it again at Illannoy. Had Franklin not beaten SMU and Boise, which he should've beaten because his teams were much more talented, then I'd drop him out of the top 10 altogether.
Boy. If I have to explain the role of the coaches to a teams ability to win….
Easier than taking over for Saban? Day has yet to have a 3 loss season let alone 4.
You don't when you have OSU's roster. How would Day have performed at IU or PU this year? That is the point: he has been given every advantage and never had to earn anything.
You do. Because he still had to beat Oregon, ND, Texas, etc. who have just as much talent as osu. So then it comes down to coaching.
I just watched a fairly talented Purdue team be absolutely terrible because of coaching. Coaching matters.
Once again, what would Day's results as coach of IU or PU be this year? Day could not do what Cig did at IU, and maybe he would have sucked just as hard as Walters did. There are a lot of coaches that could and should have won with Ohio State this year. Cig would have beat UM as OSU's coach because he did it at IU.
When you're born on third base, you are forever suspect. There is no evidence that Day can win without the enormous advantages of OSU.
With that logic, there's no way Nick Saban wins without the enormous advantages of LSU and Alabama.
Hard to say Day wouldn’t have been as good at Purdue or iu. It’s borderline impossible to say that actually.
Sure. That’s easy to say, but that’s not what we are saying.
Saying he has never done it does not equal “what would Day's results as coach of IU or PU be this year? Day could not do what Cig did at IU, and maybe he would have sucked just as hard as Walters did”
I could similarly say cig couldn’t win at osu because he hasn’t done it if we are changing the conversation here.
I think the opposite would be true. Cig has worked his way up the coaching ladder and won at places without the enormous advantages at OSU. Cig has beat UM as many times as Day has. What Cig has done is coaching minus the enormous advantages. If you give him the enormous advantages, he would do even better: that is the better argument.
Not necessarily. Winning at osu comes with its own challenges. He would have more talent, but also more pressure, which can break people. Are iu basketball for details. It is as impossible to say Day wouldn’t win at iu as it is to say Cig would win at osu.
Otherwise, someone like Shaka Smart would not be at Marquette.
Don’t get hung up on one game. Being Michigan. Day just won a natty. Every team they beat was seeded higher.
No I think cig would have a much better chance of winning at osu than day would have at IU. That's the difference between a great coach and a good one.
It's 4 in a row for Day against UM. If he wouldn't have won the championship, he may have been fired. True, the OSU job would be pretty overwhelming.
I just would like to see Day start at a D2 program somewhere and see how he does without the advantages. It would be incredibly fair and just watching him try to make something out of nothing instead of being born on 3rd base.
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