Radicalization of young women

[Stuffshot]

Another important statistic: Women are more likely to have anxiety disorders than men. I think there is a cause and effect between high anxiety and being a political liberal. Anxious people are more likely to turn to third parties to give them relief. A substantial part of liberal political messaging these days is to relieve voters of the stress and worry of daily life. (Hope, joy, and feel good messaging has replaced blunt messages about national debt, crime, etc.) We have plenty of food in the USA yet we still are faced with food anxiety.

Gender Differences in Anxiety Disorders: Prevalence, Course of Illness, Comorbidity and Burden of Illness - PMC

Women have consistently higher prevalence rates of anxiety disorders, but less is known about how gender affects age of onset, chronicity, comorbidity, and burden of illness. Gender differences in DSM-IV anxiety disorders were examined in a large ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Interesting. The graph in the original post says it applies to women 18-29.

Difficult to think that age group doesn't think about pregnancies and abortion occasionally, perhaps even more often than they think about nebulous concepts like "hope," "joy" and "feel good" as some suggest.

Wonder what women that age think about the various abortion proposals we all hear about.

 

[Stuffshot]

lol... in all seriousness the rise in mental health issues is scary. I assume it's a culmination of many factors; broken families, broken money, fewer fathers, fewer siblings, decrease in Christianity, social media, over prescribed anti-depressants, and etc. The birthrate in the U.S. recently plummeted to 1.6%, we're literally trying to exterminate ourselves. It's not good.

Do you think Bitcoin might fix some of that?

 

[Stuffshot]

Your connection of the dots is unsupported. Re meeting the next argument, that's the logic you're using. It's wrong. You've established nothing more than a correlation. McM's correlation is much stronger and explains more (and also can't be proven to be a cause, I'm guessing). Plus, not that I put a ton of weight in the authority card, but McM, lars, and I all have teenage daughters. We see this on a daily basis with them and their friends. It's pretty obvious.

Young women today aren't facing more mental health issues because they are liberal. Liberal political messaging isn't causing women to take anti anxiety medication.

You're also contradicting yourself--you state more women are taking anxiety meds and that the effects of anxiety disorders would lead them to think liberally. But you're completely missing the fact that anxiety meds work. Therefore, you haven't explained the uptick in liberal belief. If anything, based on your reasoning, we should probably expect women to be identifying as conservatives more.

What worries are your daughter and her friends expressing? Pregnancy? Boys? Employment?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Someone should tells these broads to get back in the kitchen where they belong!... I'm kidding I'm kidding! 😂

In seriousness, and without looking it up, id wager that young women have always skewed towards liberal ideals. Particularly young educated women. They have for sure been the leaders of progressivism for a very long time. So saying, thats making them more anxiety driven than before doesn't really track. Probably does cause anxiety but it's always been there. The female species has a deep rooted instinct to protect and nurture at all cost. That's going to cause anxiety. Males have it too but it's different. More broad in nature. More territorial.

Social media is new though. That's the problem. As someone said above, our stupid monkey brains haven't evolved and caught up to the technology yet. We can't process it. It's a 24/7 reminder of what you don't have or what's wrong with you compared to others. I am 100% free speech guy but I do think social media needs some guard rails for minors. Same restrictions and warning we put on any other type of media. The FCC has rules on what sort of programs can be marketed to kids. Maybe social media needs to report to the FCC?

Lunacy.
Social media report to an unelected, highly partisan, agency of the Leviathan?
What could go wrong?

 

[larsIU]

Any pics in a 2 piece?

Here you go

 

[Stuffshot]

There's a lot of layers here. Social justic combined with social media combined with loss of good paying manufacturing jobs combined with......you name it.

But social media makes people venture into the unreal. Especially amongst girls. Boys do it with video games.

Nobody lives in reality any more. Every woman thinks they're a 10. Puhlease. I'm a solid 6 and proud of it (anyway you like to hink of that).

I know we aren't supposed to talk like this, but when I go to a high school play or music performance I still can't get used to the overweight high school girls in chubby miniskirts strutting around like they're bowling ball versions of Taylor Swift.

I know, I know, but what passed for high school "fat" 15-20 years ago was probably 20-25% lighter. Fat-shaming is bad too, but who today is even allowed to point out to those girls that they're far too young to start down the road to obesity, bad nutrition and diabetes.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

I know we aren't supposed to talk like this, but when I go to a high school play or music performance I still can't get used to the overweight high school girls in chubby miniskirts strutting around like they're bowling ball versions of Taylor Swift.

I know, I know, but what passed for high school "fat" 15-20 years ago was probably 20-25% lighter. Fat-shaming is bad too, but who today is even allowed to point out to those girls that they're far too young to start down the road to obesity, bad nutrition and diabetes.

They will face true crisis when their hair turns blue.

 

[larsIU]

Fat-shaming is bad too, but who today is even allowed to point out to those girls that they're far too young to start down the road to obesity, bad nutrition and diabetes.

Their parents. Who are busy trying to be their friend.

Yay!

 

[mushroomgod_1]

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I've seen several studies showing they are more likely to be depressed and on an anti-depressant. It's scary. Not sure how it shakes out the next several decades.

Move on......nothing to see here.

 

[hoosboot]

What worries are your daughter and her friends expressing? Pregnancy? Boys? Employment?

There is a lot of general anxiety among teens about having their entire lives figured out by the time they are 18 because that's what presents on the socials.

And if you've ever done a carpool with teenage boys and girls, you wouldn't be surprised that the girls report more anxiety. Teenage girls express themselves, but the number one response from a teenage boy to any question is, "Nothing." 🤣

 

[larsIU]

There is a lot of general anxiety among teens about having their entire lives figured out by the time they are 18 because that's what presents on the socials.

And if you've ever done a carpool with teenage boys and girls, you wouldn't be surprised that the girls report more anxiety. The number one response from a teenage boy to any question is, "Nothing."

Teenagers, who've felt inadequacies and anxieties from time immemorial, really didn't need a thing to come along and further display their inadequacy. Even if most of it is entirely bullshit.

We're adults and we should do something about it. We don't have to obliterate the first amendment. We have to force tech companies to ensure anybody signed up for their service is at least 16 (preferably 18). We do this with drugs, alcohol, gender transitions, voting, military service, etc. Why can't we properly regulate social media?

I supsect massive campaign donations from both social media and all the businesses wanting to advertise to teens without going through the filter of a parent.

 

[BradStevens]

Teenagers, who've felt inadequacies and anxieties from time immemorial, really didn't need a thing to come along and further display their inadequacy. Even if most of it is entirely bullshit.

We're adults and we should do something about it. We don't have to obliterate the first amendment. We have to force tech companies to ensure anybody signed up for their service is at least 16 (preferably 18). We do this with drugs, alcohol, gender transitions, voting, military service, etc. Why can't we properly regulate social media?

I supsect massive campaign donations from both social media and all the businesses wanting to advertise to teens without going through the filter of a parent.

It’s not personal, Lars. Strictly business.

If you allow government to be bought . . .

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

It’s not personal, Lars. Strictly business.

If you allow government to be bought . . .

Government is people...

People is us...

People have been bought and sold for millenia...

'Everyone has a price'.

What's yours?

 

[BadWakeboarder]

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Because woman are more sensitive to, aware of, and interested in social interaction (not controversial ) and to an extent, social hierarchy (very controversial).

Pop psychology/bad science reasoning: It might be based on evolution or physical traits: women don’t establish and maintain power/safety via physicality, they do so through social power.

And for this to be right, it has to mean conservative women don’t share this as much, given Haidt’s findings.

 

[Harry Hondo]

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The internet and social media has been very unhealthy for some young women. Professor @CO. Hoosier the future looks bleak. They're turning more and more of them into socialist. I only have one daughter CO, she'll be an Austrian economist and Bitcoiner, but I can't raise all of them. @mcmurtry66 we need to start the conservative "View" ASAP.

This is not new information. Most young women and a lot of men have liberal views. Some move to be more conservative as they age and it balances out. Relax.

And I think it’s funny that you use the word “radicalisation.”

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

This is not new information. Most young women and a lot of men have liberal views. Some move to be more conservative as they age and it balances out. Relax.

And I think it’s funny that you use the word “radicalisation.”

The defining event for both my grown daughters was when they received their first paychecks.

The government's confiscation was a real eyeopener.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

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The internet and social media has been very unhealthy for some young women. Professor @CO. Hoosier the future looks bleak. They're turning more and more of them into socialist. I only have one daughter CO, she'll be an Austrian economist and Bitcoiner, but I can't raise all of them. @mcmurtry66 we need to start the conservative "View" ASAP.

Crazy idea: maybe someone disagreeing with you politically isn't the same thing as "radicalization."

 

[Stuffshot]

They will face true crisis when their hair turns blue.

Or magenta like Trump.

 

[Stuffshot]

Teenagers, who've felt inadequacies and anxieties from time immemorial, really didn't need a thing to come along and further display their inadequacy. Even if most of it is entirely bullshit.

We're adults and we should do something about it. We don't have to obliterate the first amendment. We have to force tech companies to ensure anybody signed up for their service is at least 16 (preferably 18). We do this with drugs, alcohol, gender transitions, voting, military service, etc. Why can't we properly regulate social media?

I supsect massive campaign donations from both social media and all the businesses wanting to advertise to teens without going through the filter of a parent.

We can't force tech companies to do that until we get rid of Section 230.

Section 230 - Wikipedia

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[Stuffshot]

Government is people...

People is us...

People have been bought and sold for millenia...

'Everyone has a price'.

What's yours?

You go first.

What is your price?

What was your first price and how many years ago was it paid to you?

 

[IUCrazy2]

Crazy idea: maybe someone disagreeing with you politically isn't the same thing as "radicalization."

So it is if that is also combined with your willingness to associate with someone or to even just be their friend. That is even more problematic with the sexual divide in who is leaning what direction.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

We can't force tech companies to do that until we get rid of Section 230.

Section 230 - Wikipedia

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An absolutely horrible idea.

230 is the primary guarantor of free speech in the US, especially as practiced on social media.

The 'progressives' love censorship.
They love it.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

You go first.

What is your price?

What was your first price and how many years ago was it paid to you?

You couldn't pay it, whatever it might be.

 

[jet812]

I was trying to do that math too and gave up. Queer agender? What’s that

A nutcase.

 

[mcmurtry66]

We can't force tech companies to do that until we get rid of Section 230.

Section 230 - Wikipedia

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No that’s not what 230 protects. There are already pending actions against social media companies for what Lars’ intimates

 

[snarlcakes]

Do you think Bitcoin might fix some of that?

Great question, Stuff. Yes, is the answer. I think a lot of the issues women have stem from inflation and broken money.

 

[snarlcakes]

Crazy idea: maybe someone disagreeing with you politically isn't the same thing as "radicalization."

I think socialism is a radical theology, so I consider it radicalization.

 

[BradStevens]

No that’s not what 230 protects. There are already pending actions against social media companies for what Lars’ intimates

Here are some policy ideas:

Protecting Teens From Big Tech: Five Policy Ideas for States

While waiting for Congress to pass better legislation to protect children online—most importantly by updating COPPA—states can take action now to protect children online and empower parents. This memo outlines five legislative strategies states can take toward these ends.

ifstudies.org

 

[BradStevens]

And for this to be right, it has to mean conservative women don’t share this as much, given Haidt’s findings.

Which ones? Love me some Haidt.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I think socialism is a radical theology, so I consider it radicalization.

Yeah, but you also think if I leave my change in the penny jar at the Marathon, that's socialism. So your opinions on ideology don't add up to much.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Which ones? Love me some Haidt.

See my post above. It was his recent interview with Rogan. He was explaining that girls that identify as being on the liberal side of the spectrum are significantly more likely to have been diagnosed with a mental illness like depression or anxiety. The next highest rate was liberal boys. Then conservative women and then conservative men.

There has to be something other than “social media” if liberals are more affected - unless you accept that conservative girls use social media less than their liberal brethren. That doesn’t make sense to me. The obvious variable in common is progressivism.

 

[BradStevens]

In absence of other measurable variables that have changed over the course of time, it’s either that a) having careers at a higher rate than before is making them anxious or b) it’s something else.

I refuse to believe that having careers makes them anxious. It’s something else. The societal pressure that progressivism pushes into its adherents is my hypothesis.

Careers would be a great hypothesis--especially if they are the major bread winner or in single family househould.

But I thought we were talking about younger girls, teens? For them, that wouldn't be a good explanation. Haidt's book on this is worth a read:

The Anxious Generation | Jonathan Haidt

jonathanhaidt.com

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Careers would be a great hypothesis--especially if they are the major bread winner or in single family househould.

But I thought we were talking about younger girls, teens? For them, that wouldn't be a good explanation. Haidt's book on this is worth a read:

The Anxious Generation | Jonathan Haidt

jonathanhaidt.com

That’s exactly right. But how do you explain liberal boys being more likely to have been Dx’d with a mental illness than conservative girls?

 

[snarlcakes]

Yeah, but you also think if I leave my change in the penny jar at the Marathon, that's socialism. So your opinions on ideology don't add up to much.

I’ve asked before what the threshold is for how much capital governments get to take from citizens before it becomes socialism. We’re currently at about 40%. That’s past my threshold. If they take 60% can we agree they’re socialists? Do you have a number?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

That’s exactly right. But how do you explain liberal boys being more likely to have been Dx’d with a mental illness than conservative girls?

I think you guys are missing an obvious answer that only requires you to reverse the equation: Maybe people with depression/anxiety/etc. are more likely to be liberal simply because they suffer from depression/anxiety/etc., and therefore are less likely to be satisfied with the status quo, and more likely to desire some sort of systemic revolutionary upheaval.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Here are some policy ideas:

Protecting Teens From Big Tech: Five Policy Ideas for States

While waiting for Congress to pass better legislation to protect children online—most importantly by updating COPPA—states can take action now to protect children online and empower parents. This memo outlines five legislative strategies states can take toward these ends.

ifstudies.org

Very interesting. First love the private cause of action. Otherwise where’s the teeth. Like hipaa w/o same who gives a fck. The automatic shutdown is imo the gravy man of all this shit and provides the heart of the pending lit: addiction. I see it in my 14 yr old

 

[BradStevens]

I think socialism is a radical theology, so I consider it radicalization.

So then, given your theory and COHs, we'd expect to see anxiety levels off the charts in China, Cuba, and Venezuela where girls have far more leftist, socialist beliefs? Not sure how those nations track such things but that is what you'd expect.

I'm betting, though, if you compare cross culturally, you're going to find that the teenagers with more internet access and activity on social media will be the ones at higher risk for mental health issues.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Great question, Stuff. Yes, is the answer. I think a lot of the issues women have stem from inflation and broken money.

Warren Buffet says he wouldn't give .25 cents for all of the Bitcoin...
Haven't heard his opinion on metals.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

So then, given your theory and COHs, we'd expect to see anxiety levels off the charts in China, Cuba, and Venezuela where girls have far more leftist, socialist beliefs? Not sure how those nations track such things but that is what you'd expect.

I'm betting, though, if you compare cross culturally, you're going to find that the teenagers with more internet access and activity on social media will be the ones at higher risk for mental health issues.

My theory would explain that neatly.

 

[BradStevens]

That’s exactly right. But how do you explain liberal boys being more likely to have been Dx’d with a mental illness than conservative girls?

That's a great point that gives me pause. I don't know. Off the cuff hypotheses: maybe they use social media and the internet more? Maybe liberal boys have the highest IQs and higher IQs correlate strongly/cause sadness--see, e.g. McMurtry of his 187 IQ and his stoker woes? Maybe liberal boys have a much higher percentage of LGBTQ+ and so have more social pressure/reasons to be anxious or depressed?

Here's some other ideas, that might be closer to you and CoH?

"It is possible that liberalism does not just correlate with sadness but may exacerbate it. Musa al-Gharbi, a sociologist at Stony Brook University, has noted that educated, affluent white liberals have come to endorse the idea that America is systemically racist, leading them to view other racial and ethnic groups more warmly than their own. “This tension—being part of a group that one hates—creates strong dissociative pressures on many white liberals,” he wrote in the journal American Affairs. Another hypothesis, advanced by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist, and Greg Lukianoff, a lawyer, is that liberals are performing a reverse cognitive behavioural therapy on themselves: promoting not resilience and optimism about incrementally improving the world but catastrophic rumination about problems such as climate change and fearfulness of disagreement even on university campuses. Such habits of mind can deepen depression."

Are American progressives making themselves sad?

Conservatives seem more excited about change

www.economist.com

Notice, though, that these ideas they are talking about are uniquely US/Western ones. I'm not sure you'd find this same reason in China or Cuba or North Korea, for example, where their women might also hold far, far left economic views.