Promises made and promises now on hold

[hoot1]

During the campaign Trump declared he would end the Russian/Ukraine war within 24 hours upon taking office.

When hearing this, my reaction was the declaration was just campaign braggadocio. It also occurred to me, given this pledge, Trump might scramble together a deal which might be temporary just to fulfill his declaration. Or on a positive note, a long-lasting peace between Ukraine and Russia might occur.

Call me naive, after last Friday, my current thinking is that not having a hasty ending to the war and going through a long and careful negotiation may be a blessing.

 

[iuwclurker]

Ego Man has succeeded in ratcheting up peace talks. He asserts Ukraine has no cards. Presumably Ukraine is running out of soldiers. The question is, why doesn’t Putin just finish the war, take all of Ukraine and declare victory? If Ego Man is correct, it doesn’t make sense for Putin to stop now.

Obviously, Putin is weaker than he’s letting on.

 

[Bowlmania]

During the campaign Trump declared he would end the Russian/Ukraine war within 24 hours upon taking office.

When hearing this, my reaction was the declaration was just campaign braggadocio. It also occurred to me, given this pledge, Trump might scramble together a deal which might be temporary just to fulfill his declaration. Or on a positive note, a long-lasting peace between Ukraine and Russia might occur.

Call me naive, after last Friday, my current thinking is that not having a hasty ending to the war and going through a long and careful negotiation may be a blessing.

There will be no quick end to the war because Zelensky's not a patsy, and he's got the wisdom and balls to push back on a shit (for him and his people) deal.

Trump is irate because: 1) he likely promised his daddy (Putin) a quick sweetheart deal; and 2) the delay puts Trump's dream of a Nobel Peace prize in jeopardy. He's still insanely jealous of Obama because he got one.

Trump grumbles about Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize — and claims he deserved it more

Speaking to a crowd in Las Vegas, the former president also insisted there were 29,000 people inside the 19,522-capacity arena.

www.yahoo.com

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

There will be no quick end to the war because Zelensky's not a patsy, and he's got the wisdom and balls to push back on a shit (for him and his people) deal.

Trump is irate because: 1) he likely promised his daddy (Putin) a quick sweetheart deal; and 2) the delay puts Trump's dream of a Nobel Peace prize in jeopardy. He's still insanely jealous of Obama because he got one.

Trump grumbles about Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize — and claims he deserved it more

Speaking to a crowd in Las Vegas, the former president also insisted there were 29,000 people inside the 19,522-capacity arena.

www.yahoo.com

Trump will just reward himself one

 

[dbmhoosier]

Cry more.

 

[Bowlmania]

Trump will just reward himself one

award

Well he'd have to rename it because it wouldn't be coming from Norway.

Maybe he'd call it the "No-bull" Peace Prize. That's how he perceives himself when, in fact, he is almost all bullshit.

 

[Bowlmania]

Cry more.

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It's sad you're unable to formulate an original thought. You rely on these social media clowns for your "news," the algorithms keep feeding you more of the same bullshit, and you're suffering from brain rot.

What is brain rot? The science behind what obsessive scrolling does to our brains

Some experts believe that constant, endless scrolling of social media and other online content is doing exactly that – rotting our brains.

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[dbmhoosier]

It's sad you're unable to formulate an original thought. You rely on these social media clowns for your "news," the algorithms keep feeding you more of the same bullshit, and you're suffering from brain rot.

What is brain rot? The science behind what obsessive scrolling does to our brains

Some experts believe that constant, endless scrolling of social media and other online content is doing exactly that – rotting our brains.

nypost.com

Wrong.

 

[snarlcakes]

During the campaign Trump declared he would end the Russian/Ukraine war within 24 hours upon taking office.

When hearing this, my reaction was the declaration was just campaign braggadocio. It also occurred to me, given this pledge, Trump might scramble together a deal which might be temporary just to fulfill his declaration. Or on a positive note, a long-lasting peace between Ukraine and Russia might occur.

Call me naive, after last Friday, my current thinking is that not having a hasty ending to the war and going through a long and careful negotiation may be a blessing.

I was shocked as well, Hoot. Donald Trump isn't usually known for exaggerations, lying, or hyperboles. 1st time for everything, I guess.


Edit: I ran my claim through ChatGPT. Results below. I might be wrong.

However, it contradicts widely reported observations about Trump's communication style. Fact-checkers have documented numerous instances of false or misleading statements during his presidency. For example, The Washington Post reported 30,573 such claims during his first term, averaging about 21 per day.
Wikipedia
Additionally, in his 1987 book "The Art of the Deal," Trump described his use of "truthful hyperbole," referring to it as "an innocent form of exaggeration, and a very effective form of promotion."
Detroit News
Therefore, the sentence does not align with these documented patterns of behavior.

 

[Bill4411]

The stock market doesn’t seem to like Trump 2.0. It’s down big again today.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

The stock market doesn’t seem to like Trump 2.0. It’s down big again today.

Likely headed for a market correction over the next few months. Price to earnings ratios across the magnificent seven are way out of whack and AI speculation is rampant.

 

[hoot1]

Ego Man has succeeded in ratcheting up peace talks. He asserts Ukraine has no cards. Presumably Ukraine is running out of soldiers. The question is, why doesn’t Putin just finish the war, take all of Ukraine and declare victory? If Ego Man is correct, it doesn’t make sense for Putin to stop now.

Obviously, Putin is weaker than he’s letting on.

Lurker, an advisor to Zelensky last July warned a deal with Putin to end the war would be like making a deal with the devil and would only give Putin time to rebuild his forces and attack later. So, a deal could benefit Putin in the long haul.

Trump in scolding Zelensky about not making peace now, lectured him about "not having the cards". Is this a threat to Zelensky that the U.S. is bailing out and Zelensky cannot count on the U.S. if a deal isn't made soon? On the other hand, Trump may be telling Europe to step up their support. In other words, Europe, Russia is more your problem than it is ours.

 

[bailey777]

Cry more.

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Dont tell the guys on this board that. In their bubble everyone hates him. He has a 2% approval rating on the water cooler. But 50 or over in the real non bubble world

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Likely headed for a market correction over the next few months. Price to earnings ratios across the magnificent seven are way out of whack and AI speculation is rampant.

Seems like all of the negative pressure on E isn't going to be helped by tariffs.

 

[snarlcakes]

Likely headed for a market correction over the next few months. Price to earnings ratios across the magnificent seven are way out of whack and AI speculation is rampant.

They’ve been telegraphing some pain. If you cut government spending and then raise tariffs, the market isn’t going to like it.

 

[kurt cloverdales]

Dont tell the guys on this board that. In their bubble everyone hates him. He has a 2% approval rating on the water cooler. But 50 or over in the real non bubble world

if he had a 98 percent approval rating does that change anything, he's a corrupt dumbass and is killing the country, if people like you approve of him, it's irrelevant to me.

 

[ulrey]

if he had a 98 percent approval rating does that change anything, he's a corrupt dumbass and is killing the country, if people like you approve of him, it's irrelevant to me.

Killing the country?😂😂

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Has anyone seen his healthcare plan?

 

[BCCHoosier]

He made a lot of economic promises too. None of it likely coming true. Today Target said sales declined in February and warned of slow growth moving forward.

They specifically called out tariffs and consumer confidence.

Are we tired of winning yet?

 

[TyWebbIU]

During the campaign Trump declared he would end the Russian/Ukraine war within 24 hours upon taking office.

When hearing this, my reaction was the declaration was just campaign braggadocio. It also occurred to me, given this pledge, Trump might scramble together a deal which might be temporary just to fulfill his declaration. Or on a positive note, a long-lasting peace between Ukraine and Russia might occur.

Call me naive, after last Friday, my current thinking is that not having a hasty ending to the war and going through a long and careful negotiation may be a blessing.

Guess he kept his promise on illegal immigration though.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Guess he kept his promise on illegal immigration though.

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It’s ok. With the new authoritarian regime nobody will want to come here anymore. Win win win

 

[TyWebbIU]

It’s ok. With the new authoritarian regime nobody will want to come here anymore. Win win win

That’s not the reason this illegal migrant gave for not attempting to return to the US. But bias gonna bias, right?

 

[twenty02]

Has anyone seen his healthcare plan?

It's in the conceptual phase

 

[TyWebbIU]

He made a lot of economic promises too. None of it likely coming true. Today Target said sales declined in February and warned of slow growth moving forward.

They specifically called out tariffs and consumer confidence.

Are we tired of winning yet?

This is still Biden’s (or whoever was actually running the country the last 4 years) economy. He left a mess that will take time to correct. Possibly a long time. Get ready for some pain.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

This is still Biden’s (or whoever was actually running the country the last 4 years) economy. He left a mess that will take time to correct. Possibly a long time. Get ready for some pain.

I love the excuses. The rest of the world, seeing we don't have the stomach for Ukraine, now knows they just have to ride out the month or two we can stomach tariffs. So I guess that's the good news for the taiff pain. The rest of the world needs do nothing and we'll surrender in a month or two.

 

[BCCHoosier]

This is still Biden’s (or whoever was actually running the country the last 4 years) economy. He left a mess that will take time to correct. Possibly a long time. Get ready for some pain.

Bullcrap. Most of this is self-induced. Who knew tariffs, reciprocal tariffs, poorly handled layoffs, and other odd decisions would crush consumer confidence? Lol

Buckle up and prepare for pain is what I told you all months ago. Trumpers said everything would be great. I at least call my shots. Two weeks ago moved 7 figures in my 401k into cash. I'll buy back at some point, but not anytime soon.

I feel for the lower income people that voted for this. Their pain is going to kick in for real around Summer.

 

[outside shooter]

My 401k has lost more money in 2 weeks than my first house cost, back in 1994.

 

[snarlcakes]

Bullcrap. Most of this is self-induced. Who knew tariffs, reciprocal tariffs, poorly handled layoffs, and other odd decisions would crush consumer confidence? Lol

Buckle up and prepare for pain is what I told you all months ago. Trumpers said everything would be great. I at least call my shots. Two weeks ago moved 7 figures in my 401k into cash. I'll buy back at some point, but not anytime soon.

I feel for the lower income people that voted for this. Their pain is going to kick in for real around Summer.

The slow down was happening prior to Trump taking office, as was rising inflation. It will be Trump's economy by the end of the year. You can b#tch and moan about Trump then.

 

[BCCHoosier]

The slow down was happening prior to Trump taking office, as was rising inflation. It will be Trump's economy by the end of the year. You can b#tch and moan about Trump then.

I respect you Snarl, but you are not being honest if you think Trump is not shaking consumer confidence and the stock market overall. It didn't have to happen this way.

Never forget more than anything else the market hates uncertainty.

 

[TyWebbIU]

I love the excuses. The rest of the world, seeing we don't have the stomach for Ukraine, now knows they just have to ride out the month or two we can stomach tariffs. So I guess that's the good news for the taiff pain. The rest of the world needs do nothing and we'll surrender in a month or two.

Non sequitur.

It’s a fact not an excuse.


From Grok…

The time it takes for a president's policies to visibly impact the economy is a slippery beast—economists love to argue about it, and there’s no single, tidy answer. It depends on a bunch of factors: what policies we’re talking about (tax cuts, infrastructure spending, trade tariffs, etc.), how fast Congress plays ball, what the economy was like when he walked in, and whether global curveballs—like pandemics or wars—muck things up.
Generally, though, short-term effects can start showing up within 6 months to a year if the policy’s straightforward and gets implemented fast—like a tax cut or stimulus check that juices consumer spending. Data backs this: when Bush signed the 2001 tax cuts, retail sales ticked up within months. Same with Obama’s 2009 stimulus—unemployment started easing by late that year, though the full recovery took longer.
Bigger structural stuff, like deregulation or healthcare reform, often takes 2-3 years to really ripple through. Look at Reagan’s tax and deregulation combo in the early ‘80s—GDP growth didn’t hit its stride until ‘83-‘84. Or Trump’s 2017 tax overhaul—corporate investment bumped up in 2018, but the broader GDP boost was debated because trade wars muddied the waters.
The catch? Presidents don’t operate in a vacuum. They inherit the previous guy’s momentum—good or bad. Clinton rode the tail end of Reagan-Bush Sr.’s tech boom; Biden got a post-COVID bounce that wasn’t all his doing. Plus, the Federal Reserve’s interest rate moves often outweigh what the White House cooks up. So, while a president’s fingerprints might show up in 1-2 years, untangling their exact role in the economic stew can take a full term—or longer.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Bullcrap. Most of this is self-induced. Who knew tariffs, reciprocal tariffs, poorly handled layoffs, and other odd decisions would crush consumer confidence? Lol

Buckle up and prepare for pain is what I told you all months ago. Trumpers said everything would be great. I at least call my shots. Two weeks ago moved 7 figures in my 401k into cash. I'll buy back at some point, but not anytime soon.

I feel for the lower income people that voted for this. Their pain is going to kick in for real around Summer.

Tariffs will hit my competitors. Not me!!!! WOOOOOHOOOO I’m going to absolutely kill it as a result of his tariffs

Wasn’t that your mo during the last 4

 

[TyWebbIU]

Bullcrap. Most of this is self-induced. Who knew tariffs, reciprocal tariffs, poorly handled layoffs, and other odd decisions would crush consumer confidence? Lol

Buckle up and prepare for pain is what I told you all months ago. Trumpers said everything would be great. I at least call my shots. Two weeks ago moved 7 figures in my 401k into cash. I'll buy back at some point, but not anytime soon.

I feel for the lower income people that voted for this. Their pain is going to kick in for real around Summer.

I NEVER said everything will be great. I expected great pain, as a result of Biden’s shadow government policies (nearly all of which were bad). We are seeing that now. Trump’s tariffs are likely playing a part as well.

Did the same with my 401k. Will be a great move, imo. And I agree, it will be a while before I buy back. TLT and GLD might be good options in the interim.

The US is in a terrible position with its debt. Trump is taking necessary steps to prevent a full blown debt crisis by cutting government spending, etc. But that will certainly bring short to medium term pain for a lot of Americans.

But again, I believe these to be necessary steps. You think otherwise. It’s cool.

 

[BCCHoosier]

Tariffs will hit my competitors. Not me!!!! WOOOOOHOOOO I’m going to absolutely kill it as a result of his tariffs

Wasn’t that your mo during the last 4

Not mine unless somebody hit me over the head. And yes I know Biden used tariffs too.

There is no doubt the US is the world's economic engine, but never underestimate the ability of countries to look for alternative arrangements that cut us out. You can't treat allies like shit and expect them to just take it.

Using fentanyl as an excuse to punish Canada? Again, it didn't have to happen this way.

Heading into meetings. Have a great day all.

 

[snarlcakes]

I respect you Snarl, but you are not being honest if you think Trump is not shaking consumer confidence and the stock market overall. It didn't have to happen this way.

Never forget more than anything else the market hates uncertainty.

The overall economy is where I disagree. He hasn't been in office long enough. I agree on the stock market. It doesn't like tariffs and is forward looking. Bessent has said they're ok with some short term pain in the markets.



I understand what they're trying to do and think it's the right thing to do. At some point you have to throw a bone to the bottom 2/3s of society. Getting mortgages rates down, inflation down, and 10 year down will be beneficial to those people and small businesses. However, I was serious on you possibly having plenty to b#tch about at the end of the year. They are playing with fire. If the economy sinks into a severe recession or the markets drop too much, it could be a rough couple of years.

 

[hoot1]

Getting back to Trump's promise to end the war along with his negotiating skills.

Is Trump as good a negotiator as he would like us to believe, or is last Friday just a strange set of circumstances coming into play with Zelensky being at least partly to blame?

Does the problem in ending the war just boil down to Trump and Zelensky not liking or trusting each other?

Finally, will a deal be made and when?

 

[ButHerEmails]

Getting back to Trump's promise to end the war along with his negotiating skills.

Is Trump as good a negotiator as he would like us to believe, or is last Friday just a strange set of circumstances coming into play with Zelensky being at least partly to blame?

Does the problem in ending the war just boil down to Trump and Zelensky not liking or trusting each other?

Finally, will a deal be made and when?

Is Trump as good at anything as he would like us to believe?

 

[hoot1]

Is Trump as good at anything as he would like us to believe?

Trump as president is also the leader of his party.

Difficult to argue he isn't a strong and respected leader of his party especially among his fellow politicians. As president he is embarking on a variety of programs not seen since the New Deal.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Trump as president is also the leader of his party.

Difficult to argue he isn't a strong and respected leader of his party especially among his fellow politicians. As president he is embarking on a variety of programs not seen since the New Deal.

“Strong and respected”? Citation needed. I have a hard time believing even his biggest sycophants actually “respect” him.

 

[outside shooter]

Fearing Trump's wrath, and that of his cult, is not the same as having respect. People in his own party fear him and kiss the ring out of self interest, but have no respect for him.