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Aloha Hoosier said:
Unnecessary chaos.
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After reading the entire article it sure sounds like those who were rifted were "Probationary" employees and the number was closer to 50...

In my opinion, if that organization is depending on 50 "Probationary" employees to oversee the safety of our nuclear stockpile then they/we have much bigger problems than their potentially being overstaffed...

Add all that in with the fact that it's CNN doing the reporting and personally I'll wait until a real news source reports on this one before getting too concerned about it...

The only less reliable news organization you could find to break something like this would be MSNBC (who I'm certain will be parroting this on "Morning Joe" as if it were their own)...
 
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76-1 said:
After reading the entire article it sure sounds like those who were rifted were "Probationary" employees and the number was closer to 50...

In my opinion, if that organization is depending on 50 "Probationary" employees to oversee the safety of our nuclear stockpile then they/we have much bigger problems than their potentially being overstaffed...

Add all that in with the fact that it's CNN doing the reporting and personally I'll wait until a real news source reports on this one before getting too concerned about it...

The only less reliable news organization you could find to break something like this would be MSNBC (who I'm certain will be parroting this on "Morning Joe" as if it were their own)...
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Dismissed nuclear bomb specialists recalled by Energy Department

Between 300 and 400 workers at the National Nuclear Safety Administration were terminated.
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www.usatoday.com

US nuclear weapons agency hit by layoffs after DOGE exemption denied

The National Nuclear Security Administration dismissed dozens of employees as part of Trump's effort to shrink the federal workforce.
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www.independent.co.uk

Energy Department scrambles to rehire nuclear experts fired in DOGE screw up: Reports

DOGE apparently didn’t understand the workers’ role, or how important they are to national security, sources told CNN and Bloomberg News
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk


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76-1 said:
After reading the entire article it sure sounds like those who were rifted were "Probationary" employees and the number was closer to 50...

In my opinion, if that organization is depending on 50 "Probationary" employees to oversee the safety of our nuclear stockpile then they/we have much bigger problems than their potentially being overstaffed...

Add all that in with the fact that it's CNN doing the reporting and personally I'll wait until a real news source reports on this one before getting too concerned about it...

The only less reliable news organization you could find to break something like this would be MSNBC (who I'm certain will be parroting this on "Morning Joe" as if it were their own)...
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It all depends on what billets are emptied. Say this was happening to a battalion or a ship. It’s easier to be shorted a few grunts or deck hands than half your senior enlisted who make things happen. Seems to me that far too many people think everyone in government isn’t doing anything important and is expendable. This thinking will lead to mission failures before long. There will be eggs on faces and significant consequences.

Also, I complained about the left wing bias of mainstream media for as long as anyone here, but I never said we shouldn’t read it. We should understand the bias, left and right, and get past it to the facts. If we only get your information from media with a bias which matches our own and never question it, we will inevitably be misinformed. Those that get everything they know and every opinion they have from Twitter Twits are the most misinformed among us.
 
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Aloha Hoosier said:
It all depends on what billets are emptied. Say this was happening to a battalion or a ship. It’s easier to be shorted a few grunts or deck hands than half your senior enlisted who make things happen. Seems to me that far too many people think everyone in government isn’t doing anything important and is expendable. This thinking will lead to mission failures before long. There will be eggs on faces and significant consequences.

Also, I complained about the left wing bias of mainstream media for as long as anyone here, but I never said we shouldn’t read it. We should understand the bias, left and right, and get past it to the facts. If we only get your information from media with a bias which matches our own and never question it, we will inevitably be misinformed. Those that get everything they know and every opinion they have from Twitter Twits are the most misinformed among us.
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The other thing you have to be aware of is the all too frequent move of the media to simply repeat (and occasionally embellish) the same story without doing any in depth research or verification on their own...(which used to be known rather quaintly as "reporting")...

I regularly read multiple news feeds and am aware of the political slant of each one. They all have their own slant and their editors compound that slant...

I watch everything from CNN to MSNBC (for entertainment purposes) to "mainstream legacy feeds (ABC,CBS,NBC) to newer stuff like Newsmax, to even (the horror 😱🙉🙈) Fox...

If it's a big story I routinely hit all of them then head to the internet outlets for their slant (AP, CNN, FOX WaPo, NYTimes, NY Post, WSJ along with whatever pops up on google) I consider myself both well read and well informed... I've left out my military feeds and overseas sources...

All of those sources have their own political slants both left and right (even some of the military ones) as long as that's factored in the mix I figure I've got a decent handle on about 50-75% of the real story...

I've become a bit of a cynic in my old age having read and watched this type of reporting for multiple decades....

If I see something on X that sounds interesting or important I simply do my own fact checking... I've never cited an X story on the Cooler. I think I have questioned a couple of their stories over on the Football site and that's it...

About the only site on X that seems interesting (to me) and routinely accurate is something with the acronym OSINT (I think) but I still don't take their veracity for granted even though I've found them to be accurate so far...
 
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76-1 said:
The other thing you have to be aware of is the all too frequent move of the media to simply repeat (and occasionally embellish) the same story without doing any in depth research or verification on their own...(which used to be known rather quaintly as "reporting")...

I regularly read multiple news feeds and am aware of the political slant of each one. They all have their own slant and their editors compound that slant...

I watch everything from CNN to MSNBC (for entertainment purposes) to "mainstream legacy feeds (ABC,CBS,NBC) to newer stuff like Newsmax, to even (the horror 😱🙉🙈) Fox...

If it's a big story I routinely hit all of them then head to the internet outlets for their slant (AP, CNN, FOX WaPo, NYTimes, NY Post, WSJ along with whatever pops up on google) I consider myself both well read and well informed... I've left out my military feeds and overseas sources...

All of those sources have their own political slants both left and right (even some of the military ones) as long as that's factored in the mix I figure I've got a decent handle on about 50-75% of the real story...

I've become a bit of a cynic in my old age having read and watched this type of reporting for multiple decades....
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I've always considered you a reasonable man.
 
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Baller23Boogie said:
fortune.com

Dismissed nuclear bomb specialists recalled by Energy Department

Between 300 and 400 workers at the National Nuclear Safety Administration were terminated.
fortune.com fortune.com

www.usatoday.com

US nuclear weapons agency hit by layoffs after DOGE exemption denied

The National Nuclear Security Administration dismissed dozens of employees as part of Trump's effort to shrink the federal workforce.
www.usatoday.com

www.independent.co.uk

Energy Department scrambles to rehire nuclear experts fired in DOGE screw up: Reports

DOGE apparently didn’t understand the workers’ role, or how important they are to national security, sources told CNN and Bloomberg News
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk


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Trump makes awkward U-turn on firing 300 federal workers

Donald Trump had to make a quick reversal on his decision to fire several workers wo oversee America's nuclear arsenal.
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mcmurtry66 said:
Boy you’re all in on the anti trump/Musk efforts to rein in gov. Shocker. Keep collecting that pension. Like you’re cheering for failure. Gross. No one wants the cheneys back
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I didn't say that. I'm all for making the gov't smaller, but that article wasn't about that in any way.

I'm posting these for information purposes.
 
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Aloha Hoosier said:
I didn't say that. I'm all for making the gov't smaller, but that article wasn't about that in any way.

I'm posting these for information purposes.
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Lmao. Silently hoping Musk and trump fail. Like I said. Your “party” is dead. Mercifully.

Hopefully we can make a better more responsive solvent gov
 
mcmurtry66 said:
Lmao. Silently hoping Musk and trump fail. Like I said. Your “party” is dead. Mercifully.

Hopefully we can make a better more responsive solvent gov
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I'm hoping that Musk and Trump don't cause significant and irreparable damage.

I've been for reducing the deficits and debt for decades, including when many of the MAGAs here were free spending Democrats.
 
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McM's evil twin? 😄

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It’s unbelievable. We let ten million in. Subsidized them. Eh. Whatever. As crazed said anyone who has dealt with the fed gov knows how slow and inept it operates. Fck there’s lawyers whose fees are literally predicated on how slowly the gov reviews records and can schedule hearings. If we get some collateral damage so be it. 35 trillion in debt. 35 million in poverty. Blow it up.

And if pennies are all we can attack for now so be it. Like a good mediation. Start with the small shit and get some momentum
 
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mcmurtry66 said:
Lmao. Silently hoping Musk and trump fail. Like I said. Your “party” is dead. Mercifully.

Hopefully we can make a better more responsive solvent gov
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Do you really think slash and burn is the right way to go about this? Musk may be the smartest SOB that ever lived, but no way anyone can assess the value these departments provide in a matter of a few weeks.
 
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BCCHoosier said:
Do you really think slash and burn is the right way to go about this? Musk may be the smartest SOB that ever lived, but no way anyone can assess the value these departments provide in a matter of a few weeks.
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I think the usual Rif etc will get tangled in procedure. I think if we want to actually get something done for once let’s slash and burn and see where we are at the end. Lord knows if it’s a bust it’ll all get added back
 
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It’s unbelievable. We let ten million in. Subsidized them. Eh. Whatever. As crazed said anyone who has dealt with the fed gov knows how slow and inept it operates. Fck there’s lawyers whose fees are literally predicated on how slowly the gov reviews records and can schedule hearings. If we get some collateral damage so be it. 35 trillion in debt. 35 million in poverty. Blow it up.

And if pennies are all we can attack for now so be it. Like a good mediation. Start with the small shit and get some momentum
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He's not starting with small shit though.
 
mcmurtry66 said:
$$. Everything being done is a drop in the ocean until we ball up and go after big shit. Or just default or kick the can
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Hell I'm all in on letting the suffering begin. Let's start with social security. If you've received more than you paid in, payments stop.

Next I'd go after state level pensions that are overly generous. Why the hell do cops and fireman get to retire at 52? Why do teachers get to retire with an 75 percent replacement ratio after 35 years?

As far as impacts of USAID, I'm sure the kids in Africa can wait for 90 days or more for President Musk to sort all this out.
 
BCCHoosier said:
Hell I'm all in on letting the suffering begin. Let's start with social security. If you've received more than you paid in, payments stop.

Next I'd go after state level pensions that are overly generous. Why the hell do cops and fireman get to retire at 52? Why do teachers get to retire with an 75 percent replacement ratio after 35 years?

As far as impacts of USAID, I'm sure the kids in Africa can wait for 90 days or more for President Musk to sort all this out.
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Oh yeah. It’s fckd up with govs at all levels. Years ago I reppd a pro soccer player who bs and a cop. Shredded his knee chasing a bad guy. I took it to the pension board. He was 20 something. I got him 50 percent pay for life
 
BCCHoosier said:
Hell I'm all in on letting the suffering begin. Let's start with social security. If you've received more than you paid in, payments stop.

Next I'd go after state level pensions that are overly generous. Why the hell do cops and fireman get to retire at 52? Why do teachers get to retire with an 75 percent replacement ratio after 35 years?

As far as impacts of USAID, I'm sure the kids in Africa can wait for 90 days or more for President Musk to sort all this out.
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Why are we responsible for the kids in Africa? We have kids here in poverty
 
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Hell I'm all in on letting the suffering begin. Let's start with social security. If you've received more than you paid in, payments stop.

Next I'd go after state level pensions that are overly generous. Why the hell do cops and fireman get to retire at 52? Why do teachers get to retire with an 75 percent replacement ratio after 35 years?

As far as impacts of USAID, I'm sure the kids in Africa can wait for 90 days or more for President Musk to sort all this out.
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Shit. If I got what I paid in, with interest, I'd be making 3 times the amount I get now for the next 20 years.

I'd take that deal in a second.
 
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mcmurtry66 said:
Lmao. Silently hoping Musk and trump fail. Like I said. Your “party” is dead. Mercifully.

Hopefully we can make a better more responsive solvent gov
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Where do you think you fall in the goals? Actually watch the video with an open mind, quite a bit of this is these dudes in their own words. This isn't what I signed up for. After watching, do you not have some questions? I do. She lays out the Butterfly Revolution as put forth by Yarvin, parts of it endorsed by Vance in the video, and I think we are in some measure seeing step 2 play out now.

I have mentioned Yarvin on several occasions and linked to his work. I bet that @BradStevens is the only one who has read through it. Here again is a video of all the Yarvin inspired dudes who have supported Trump to the point of one of them being his VP telling you of their support of his political philosophy. I ****ed up. I had never heard of the dude until a few weeks ago. Go read him. It is crazy town and you have Vance name dropping him.

Read through it. If we had a Democrat name dropping Mao and Lenin, we would rightfully extrapolate that their political philosophy is at least influenced by their writings. You would probably look into those guys if AOC said, "Lenin used to wrote about how we could fix that problem...." and she was heavily linked (the #2 person) to the new administration.

Chapter 1: A Positive Vision | Patchwork: A Political System for the 21st Century | Unqualified Reservations by Mencius Moldbug

Unqualified Reservations by Mencius Moldbug. Ebook links and full chronological archive. An introduction to neoreaction (NRx).
www.unqualified-reservations.org www.unqualified-reservations.org

This is completely disqualifying and I missed it. Caught too much in a news bubble. Dig into these guys. This isn't all about owning the libs. Quite a bit of this stuff is fascism. And I don't mean that in the way we normally throw it around. Some of these guys are straight evil. Curtis Yarvin is an evil lunatic.
 
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Where do you think you fall in the goals? Actually watch the video with an open mind, quite a bit of this is these dudes in their own words. This isn't what I signed up for. After watching, do you not have some questions? I do. She lays out the Butterfly Revolution as put forth by Yarvin, parts of it endorsed by Vance in the video, and I think we are in some measure seeing step 2 play out now.

I have mentioned Yarvin on several occasions and linked to his work. I bet that @BradStevens is the only one who has read through it. Here again is a video of all the Yarvin inspired dudes who have supported Trump to the point of one of them being his VP telling you of their support of his political philosophy. I ****ed up. I had never heard of the dude until a few weeks ago. Go read him. It is crazy town and you have Vance name dropping him.

Read through it. If we had a Democrat name dropping Mao and Lenin, we would rightfully extrapolate that their political philosophy is at least influenced by their writings. You would probably look into those guys if AOC said, "Lenin used to wrote about how we could fix that problem...." and she was heavily linked (the #2 person) to the new administration.

Chapter 1: A Positive Vision | Patchwork: A Political System for the 21st Century | Unqualified Reservations by Mencius Moldbug

Unqualified Reservations by Mencius Moldbug. Ebook links and full chronological archive. An introduction to neoreaction (NRx).
www.unqualified-reservations.org www.unqualified-reservations.org

This is completely disqualifying and I missed it. Caught too much in a news bubble. Dig into these guys. This isn't all about owning the libs. Quite a bit of this stuff is fascism. And I don't mean that in the way we normally throw it around. Some of these guys are straight evil. Curtis Yarvin is an evil lunatic.
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Too long can’t watch all that. But did watch a little. I think enough. Little loony conspiracy laden but not totally outlandish . I think how you look at things matters. Opt/pess

So that chick sees trump as ceo with the tech nerds pulling the strings. We just had Dems appoint Harris without a single vote from the public. Leaving aside the yabbut let’s assume the board doesn’t believe our gov is a failed concern with wasteful taxation and over regulation and lefty censorship and all the reasons Musk wanted to get involved was a pretense, that this nefarious plan set forth in the video is the true scheme it’s inherently flawed.

This isn’t a Corp with a board. It’s a republic. With three branches of gov and 50 states and federalism and elections. Have you noticed where all of the slashing and burned has occurred. At agencies. In the executive branch. They can’t do anywhere close to what some fear without congress. And even something as simple as firing someone making $60k a year on the general schedule is being reviewed by the other branch. And in 20 months there will be more elections. Remember what happened after Biden and congress went all in on crazy woke giving out cash and opening the border and going bat shit crazy on energy. They lost. Their agenda got shutdown.

I have faith in our system. I don’t like 50 year politicians. I’m still in on the Musk rehab project

And if I’m wrong it’ll largely just be par for the course
 
mcmurtry66 said:
Too long can’t watch all that. But did watch a little. I think enough. Little loony conspiracy laden but not totally outlandish . I think how you look at things matters. Opt/pess

So that chick sees trump as ceo with the tech nerds pulling the strings. We just had Dems appoint Harris without a single vote from the public. Leaving aside the yabbut let’s assume the board doesn’t believe our gov is a failed concern with wasteful taxation and over regulation and lefty censorship and all the reasons Musk wanted to get involved was a pretense, that this nefarious plan set forth in the video is the true scheme it’s inherently flawed.

This isn’t a Corp with a board. It’s a republic. With three branches of gov and 50 states and federalism and elections. Have you noticed where all of the slashing and burned has occurred. At agencies. In the executive branch. They can’t do anywhere close to what some fear without congress. And even something as simple as firing someone making $60k a year on the general schedule is being reviewed by the other branch.

I have faith in our system. I don’t like 50 year politicians. I’m still in on the Musk rehab project

And if I’m wrong it’ll largely just be par for the course
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At least your self aware 🤣
 
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Where do you think you fall in the goals? Actually watch the video with an open mind, quite a bit of this is these dudes in their own words. This isn't what I signed up for. After watching, do you not have some questions? I do. She lays out the Butterfly Revolution as put forth by Yarvin, parts of it endorsed by Vance in the video, and I think we are in some measure seeing step 2 play out now.

I have mentioned Yarvin on several occasions and linked to his work. I bet that @BradStevens is the only one who has read through it. Here again is a video of all the Yarvin inspired dudes who have supported Trump to the point of one of them being his VP telling you of their support of his political philosophy. I ****ed up. I had never heard of the dude until a few weeks ago. Go read him. It is crazy town and you have Vance name dropping him.

Read through it. If we had a Democrat name dropping Mao and Lenin, we would rightfully extrapolate that their political philosophy is at least influenced by their writings. You would probably look into those guys if AOC said, "Lenin used to wrote about how we could fix that problem...." and she was heavily linked (the #2 person) to the new administration.

Chapter 1: A Positive Vision | Patchwork: A Political System for the 21st Century | Unqualified Reservations by Mencius Moldbug

Unqualified Reservations by Mencius Moldbug. Ebook links and full chronological archive. An introduction to neoreaction (NRx).
www.unqualified-reservations.org www.unqualified-reservations.org

This is completely disqualifying and I missed it. Caught too much in a news bubble. Dig into these guys. This isn't all about owning the libs. Quite a bit of this stuff is fascism. And I don't mean that in the way we normally throw it around. Some of these guys are straight evil. Curtis Yarvin is an evil lunatic.
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What's quite ironic is that the same people that spent years attacking the 'tech overlords' have done an immediate 180 once all the tech cash started flowing their direction. Now they're the saviors.
 
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Too long can’t watch all that. But did watch a little. I think enough. Little loony conspiracy laden but not totally outlandish . I think how you look at things matters. Opt/pess

So that chick sees trump as ceo with the tech nerds pulling the strings. We just had Dems appoint Harris without a single vote from the public. Leaving aside the yabbut let’s assume the board doesn’t believe our gov is a failed concern with wasteful taxation and over regulation and lefty censorship and all the reasons Musk wanted to get involved was a pretense, that this nefarious plan set forth in the video is the true scheme it’s inherently flawed.

This isn’t a Corp with a board. It’s a republic. With three branches of gov and 50 states and federalism and elections. Have you noticed where all of the slashing and burned has occurred. At agencies. In the executive branch. They can’t do anywhere close to what some fear without congress. And even something as simple as firing someone making $60k a year on the general schedule is being reviewed by the other branch. And in 20 months there will be more elections. Remember what happened after Biden and congress went all in on crazy woke giving out cash and opening the border and going bat shit crazy on energy. They lost. Their agenda got shutdown.

I have faith in our system. I don’t like 50 year politicians. I’m still in on the Musk rehab project

And if I’m wrong it’ll largely just be par for the course
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Yeah, while I get the complaints about what’s going on — and some of them have more merit than others — it’s useful to remember that everybody from Congress to multiple presidents to the managers of the administrative state have had plenty of open opportunity to clean up the messes themselves.

That they’ve been derelict in this makes most of their complaints fall pretty flat to me.
 
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crazed_hoosier2 said:
Yeah, while I get the complaints about what’s going on — and some of them have more merit than others — it’s useful to remember that everybody from Congress to multiple presidents to the managers of the administrative state have had plenty of open opportunity to clean up the messes themselves.

That they’ve been derelict in this makes most of their complaints fall pretty flat to me.
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Co-sign.
 
crazed_hoosier2 said:
Yeah, while I get the complaints about what’s going on — and some of them have more merit than others — it’s useful to remember that everybody from Congress to multiple presidents to the managers of the administrative state have had plenty of open opportunity to clean up the messes themselves.

That they’ve been derelict in this makes most of their complaints fall pretty flat to me.
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Every illiberal autocrat in history has required such an opening to destroy liberal society.
 
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Every illiberal autocrat in history has required such an opening to destroy liberal society.
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Well, the POTUS’ power over the executive branch is, and always has been, pretty extensive.

And I guess I’m just not that worried that some much needed tree-trimming is going to turn us into China.

Do I wish that this effort was emanating from the Legislative branch instead of the Executive branch? Yes. But Congress is barely functional - and certainly doesn’t show any capacity to affect these kinds of changes.

And, again, they’ve had plenty of opportunity to. But they haven’t. So that’s on them.
 
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