Every year? How about just one? Is that too much to ask?
Pray they call Fred ...
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In my opinion, that really is too much to ask of Glass. Basketball is the priority, and the East division plus Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska and now even Purdue just make having a winning program very unlikely. The players try hard and Tom Allen seems like a great guy, but most of the recruiting is still toward the bottom of the conference teams and most fans don’t care. I just read where half the stadium Saturday will be OSU fans and IU didn’t even sell out the game. It’s just too much to expect from the guy. Hope he can pull off a miracle but I don’t think it’s fair to hold him accountable if he doesn’t catch lightning in a bottle.
a coaching search to end up with who? can you give some names of proven coaches who are dyeing to take over this program? and i'm not talking about has been's or never was's.
Ya, he took over a 5-win juggernaut. Lol. We’ll add football to the list of things you don’t know shit about.
I believe Dr. Kraft has actually been mentioned for the USC job FWIW
Ah, yes...the old "who else would have wanted the job" reply...nice.
Another name is irrelevant. The fact that Fred didn't even look is what makes him all the more responsible for the success/failure of the football program.
A five win juggernaut with OL and QB recruiting failures that hurt for two more years. Fraudy has no clue.
I have to agree with this assessment. IMO, he made a good hire in bball that might not turn out to be THE guy to get us back to where we want to be. None the less, it was a good hire and not all hires end up being the right one.
But in football, the decision was made with what seems like little information and the hire is all on FG. There may be the possibility that FG saw the type of person and coach TA is and thought this is THE guy. Great if it works out but they are tied at the hip IMO.
5 win? Where do you come up with this stuff? Wilson won 6 his last two years.
So no standards in football. Why even bother trotting out a program then? Fans have no reason to attend games or donate. No other Power 5 school has this attitude when it comes to football.
People need to realize we were going to lose TA if Wilson stayed on after the injury scandal occured. And if IU decided to look for a new coach elsewhere, that would mean TA more than likely looks elsewhere. That is enough for me to trust FG in recognizing TA's potential as a head coach. It saved IU money going this way. We could spend what TA gets paid and have a chance to go bowling, or we could spend 4-5 million and get the same exact results. I again refer to the history of IU football. Show me a coach that has gotten us to a higher tier in the BIG.
You can't because it doesn't exist. IU's recruiting has only gotten better since Allen, and I attribute a lot of that to the necessary renovations IU has made it's football facilities. This is where Glass doesn't get the credit he deserves. I'm not 100% sold on Allen's coaching abilities long term, but nobody can deny that IU is not only recruiting better talent, but building a deeper roster than ever before. This is necessary to compete in the B10.
So you're basically saying that...
...Fred was gonna lose Tom Allen if he didn't act fast (despite the now current narrative that Indiana is Tom Allen's dream job. Well, huh?)
...Fred went cheap by hiring Tom Allen (what a wonderful approach to a historically inept football program)
...and that Tom Allen has taken Indiana to new heights in the Big Ten (despite not achieving the same level of success as his immediate predecessor)
Makes perfect sense.
How do you know that spending 4-5 million gets us the exact same result...?
That's a pretty weak assumption to validate Fred's decision to immediately hire Allen.
You need to re-read through this thread. It's not an indictment on Tom Allen (although he still has a lot to prove). The conversation is about holding Fred Glass culpable for his coaching hires. Hardly an unreasonable expectation to place on the Athletic Director of Indiana University.
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Fred Glass is going to live or die based on the hires of AM and TA there is no denying that. The only screw up Fred has on his resume is the enormous extension to TC. TC should have gotten an extension at the time but no where near what FG gave him.
TA's dream job is to coach IU not second fiddle as a DC, and now he has the reigns and it is all on him. If I'm FG glass I would roll the dice on him instead of looking elsewhere and possibly rebuilding the IU football program yet AGAIN. TA is doing great on the recruiting trail and it isn't by coincidence. Would another coach have been able to come in here and get 4 star recruits off the bat or would we be sitting here talking about how it's going to take time for the new coach to build the IU brand, even though historically there is no such precedent.
That was hardly the only mistake Fred Glass made. Off the top of my head...not firing Tom Crean the same night that Emmitt Holt hit Devin Davis with a car comes to mind, but I digress.
Isn't the narrative over on the Football board that Tom Allen needs time to build Indiana back up...? Building depth? Building talent? Hence the patience to ignore the past two seasons and hope for a breakout...? Now you're saying it was a continuity hire and that a 4-5 mil a year coach wouldn't have been able to do the same thing with the same results...? Which is it?
Make up your mind.
Wilson didn't get to a bowl game until season 5. Allen won as many games in his first 2 seasons than Wilson did in his first 3.
My mind is made up. If we were to hire a new coach it would have been a much larger rebuild than 5 win seasons as a low point. We are talking new coach, new DC, new OC, recruit decommits, etc... The Indiana HS coaches want to send their players to IU. We have a solid pipeline to the south, including our star QB that will break most records at IU. If went out and got a "name" in the football world for that amount of money I specified there is no guarantee we take the next step up in football. Fred made the safe bet, but that doesnt make it stupid. Allen is a defensive minded coach who now has a very good OC. The next couple years are going to be a lot of fun to watch when these young recruits grow into the program.
Allen followed Wilson (and was on his staff).
Wilson followed Lynch.
You really think they started at the same place?
So Allen was a continuity hire who had to rebuild...got it.
Back to my main point..if it works out, fantastic.
If not, then Fred Glass should be held accountable.
Do you really think if Lynch was given one more season he would have only won 1 game? But heh I will give you this: Wilson had more bowl games (1 more) and more drunk and disorderly run ins than Lynch.
We'll never know, because he only won one game in the Big Ten each of his last three years and was summarily fired.
I believe Fred held TA in such high esteem that it would make sense to keep him with his "dream school" instead of firing Wilson, bringing in new coaches and sending TA packing. He lives and breathes IU football. That is the type of coach that will succeed here. And if he does succeed, it seems like he won't be using it as a stepping stone. In fact I hope he does so well we actually HAVE to pay him 4-5mil just to keep him.
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While I agree with most of your posts, I vehemently disagree with your position on this. (1) Glass should absolutely be held accountable for the success of the football team. The reason is because of how much earning potential is in football. (2) Glass does not get credit for the facility improvements because all the Big Ten schools are receiving an equal distribution at the end of the year. Last year every Big Ten school got $51 million. That’s like giving your wife credit for spending your money. (3) Glass’s minimum job requirement is to facilitate the success of the basketball program. It’s in the worst condition than it ever has been in. I like Allen and I like Archie, but they aren’t homerun hires. Any AD wearing an IU polo could get these guys. Fred is in win now mode. He has two years left.
You are acting like Fred’s hands were tied. This is all his orchestration. By the way, Fred made $563,000 last year while sitting in his office pulling puppet strings. The guy should be held responsible for winning.
I can assure you the basketball program and the fan base were murdering each other in 2007-2008 during the Sampson debacle. It was also a catastrophe on here when MD went 15-14 and 14-15 before that. If you follow AM's recruiting closely you can gauge the weaknesses of the team and how he is going about to replace them.
That's only if you've already deemed Archie Miller a failure. He's been the coach two stinkin' years. I agree he should be accountable for the failures/success of the basketball program, but it's entirely too early to deem the hiring of Archie Miller one way or the other.
I’m not considering Archie Miller a failure, but he is an experiment. We shouldn’t have an experiment coach after Glass has been in office for a decade. I like Miller and Allen, but if they stumble, it’s time to burn it down.
And how many hundreds of millions has he invested into facility upgrades?
Edit:. I also agree, win or get out. But im not naive enough to see a couple years of the new coaches, only half way through their recruiting cycles, to make an informed judgement.
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Every Big Ten school is investing in their facilities. I would like to know what Fred has collected in donations outside of the $50 million a year coming from the Big Ten Network, and compare it to the rest of the Big Ten schools. My guess is it’s not close to what Ohio State and Michigan’s AD’s have collected. He has to win, PERIOD.
Ohio State and Michigan are on a completely different level. You would have to ask (courtsense maybe)how much money we have invested in football, basketball, baseball, and other facilities that were built. Apparently even a new golf course is built or on its way. I get where you are coming from, just win baby. I also think Glass deserves praise in that he understands recruits want to be blown away on their visits and us common folk dont get to see the majority of the upgrades that are showcased.
You cant enclose both ends of a football stadium (along with all the offices inside). And gut the sides of assembly hall for 50mil.
You don’t see what is happening at Northwestern, Minnesota, etc. Glass is getting credit, but we may be falling behind. And yes, you can do all that for $50 million a year. They don’t pay cash for those jobs.
If I am FG, I would be sleeping well at night & not worrying about my job.
AM & TA will both be successful
Close, but not quite, IndyAuthor. He needs five more wins this season to grab that honor. CTA currently has 12 wins and James Horn had 16 wins in his first three seasons.
Curiously, Bill Lynch and James Sheldon are tied for second place with 14 wins, each, during their first three seasons.
