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apm1003 said:
I always considered your comment about Purdue never making a Final Four as totally ridiculous. Sean Connery once declared that he would never make another James Bond movie but he did. It was called "Never Say Never Again." Events that seem unlikely to us can and do occur fairly regularly.

However, you have topped yourself with the post that "Milan is arguably the most famous high school in the nation." That one is almost beyond absurd. I have lived in many parts of the USA. There are some well known high schools. Examples would be Boston Latin, Bronx HS of Science, Stuyvesant and Horace Mann in New York, Sidwell Friends, St. Albans, DeMatha and Georgetown Prep in Washington, DC, New Trier, Chicago Latin and Francis Parker in metro Chicago and Harvard-Westlake and Mater Dei in LA. But there is no way Milan is found in that company. In the movie, that is not even the name of the school. People in Indiana maybe aware, but outside of the state an extraordinarily small number do. Your post is a howler.

While "Hoosiers" is a good movie, it is not the best in its genre. "Chariots of Fire" was nominated for 7 Academy Awards and won 4 - including Best Picture. "The Natural" was nominated for 4 Oscars. "Field of Dreams" was nominated for 3; "Hoosiers" for only 2.

I get that you really like the film but you grossly overstate its place among the general public.

I would strongly advise that you not make those bets and save yourself a bunch of money.
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Nothing is "totally" ridiculous when it hasn't happened in almost 50 years. Keady never reached a FF. I think we can both agree that the odds were pretty decent it would not happen. After games like FDU, St. Peter's, etc. happen and painter has been coaching for over 20 years, it only helps prove the point.

How many high schools have an Academy Award nominated movie written about it? A really good argument can be made that it is the best sports movie ever made. If you want to split hairs, that is your business. Part of your argument is people forget stories like this, and people haven't forgotten about Hoosiers.

Rudy is another great example. Why is this such a great story? Because Rudy is the ultimate underdog. People haven't forgotten about Rudy, either.
 
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z_one said:
LOL I'm not at all bitter. Why would I be bitter? I don't care about IU's 24 championships and neither does anyone else not associated with IU. That you feel you have to parade them out when we are talking about basketball shows your own personal insecurities. I'm glad you are proud of your 24 championships. However, if IU fans were really proud of those accomplishments they would "show out" when it counts. Like maybe Homecoming? Cignetti may change that because his personality is kind of a force of nature. If he doesn't it will be because IU fans don't support him as they should. IU hasn't supported their football program for most of my lifetime. Trotting out championships, some in sports that Purdue doesn't even compete in to me is laughable. Sort of like Michigan or Wisconsin or ND bragging about the "frozen four". No one cares. The majority of the BT doesn't have a hockey team. Have a good day.
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Oh you would love to have them and you know it. Any college or university in America would be proud to have that many, that's the reason we have playoffs to see who wins it all. Now go back to to your own little board.😂
 
Except for avid fans of any sport, nobody really cares about anything except for their own teams, ties and allegiances. Memories and attention spans are extraordinarily short. I love college basketball and following my teams in other sports, but have a hard time recalling who won the NBA, NFL, World Series, the Masters and the Indy 500 the previous year without digging into some thought.
 
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apm1003 said:
I always considered your comment about Purdue never making a Final Four as totally ridiculous. Sean Connery once declared that he would never make another James Bond movie but he did. It was called "Never Say Never Again." Events that seem unlikely to us can and do occur fairly regularly.

However, you have topped yourself with the post that "Milan is arguably the most famous high school in the nation." That one is almost beyond absurd. I have lived in many parts of the USA. There are some well known high schools. Examples would be Boston Latin, Bronx HS of Science, Stuyvesant and Horace Mann in New York, Sidwell Friends, St. Albans, DeMatha and Georgetown Prep in Washington, DC, New Trier, Chicago Latin and Francis Parker in metro Chicago and Harvard-Westlake and Mater Dei in LA. But there is no way Milan is found in that company. In the movie, that is not even the name of the school. People in Indiana maybe aware, but outside of the state an extraordinarily small number do. Your post is a howler.

While "Hoosiers" is a good movie, it is not the best in its genre. "Chariots of Fire" was nominated for 7 Academy Awards and won 4 - including Best Picture. "The Natural" was nominated for 4 Oscars. "Field of Dreams" was nominated for 3; "Hoosiers" for only 2.

I get that you really like the film but you grossly overstate its place among the general public.

I would strongly advise that you not make those bets and save yourself a bunch of money.
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Likewise, the high schools you spout mean nothing to those outside their local region. I remember a couple good basketball players graduating from several of your listed schools, but I can’t tell you their names. Other than that, what’s so special? Just large schools?

It’s not unusual for great movies to get jilted at the alter of the Academy Awards. In 1941, Citizen Kane, widely considered the greatest movie, won only 1 award… Best Written Screenplay, while How Green Was Your Valley took home 5 awards, including the most coveted Best Picture.
 
abraxis said:
Likewise, the high schools you spout mean nothing to those outside their local region. I remember a couple good basketball players graduating from several of your listed schools, but I can’t tell you their names. Other than that, what’s so special? Just large schools?

It’s not unusual for great movies to get jilted at the alter of the Academy Awards. In 1941, Citizen Kane, widely considered the greatest movie, won only 1 award… Best Written Screenplay, while How Green Was Your Valley took home 5 awards, including the most coveted Best Picture.
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In other words, nobody but Purdue fans really cares or will remember what Purdue does in the tournament. They will continue to beg for validation from others no matter what the outcome.
 
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HoosierJimbo89 said:
Nothing is "totally" ridiculous when it hasn't happened in almost 50 years. Keady never reached a FF. I think we can both agree that the odds were pretty decent it would not happen. After games like FDU, St. Peter's, etc. happen and painter has been coaching for over 20 years, it only helps prove the point.

How many high schools have an Academy Award nominated movie written about it? A really good argument can be made that it is the best sports movie ever made. If you want to split hairs, that is your business. Part of your argument is people forget stories like this, and people haven't forgotten about Hoosiers.

Rudy is another great example. Why is this such a great story? Because Rudy is the ultimate underdog. People haven't forgotten about Rudy, either.
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The Breakfast Club, Ferris Bueller and Risky Business were all set at New Trier in suburban Chicago. Sixteen Candles may have been as well since John Hughes was a graduate. They were each popular movies set at the same high school.

Milan HS was never named in the film; the school had a different name.

George Mason, VCU, Butler, Miami (last year), San Diego State (last year) and Alabama (this year) had been playing basketball long before Keady or Painter had careers and they made their first Final Fours. There are other examples. According to your criterion, their appearances were "totally ridiculous"; after all, they had been playing for 50 years before an appearance and therefore would never make one. The simple point is that the NCAA Tournament has a great degree of randomness inherent in it and anything with a high degree of randomness in it can have unusual outcomes. That's what math tells you. So claiming that there can never be a specific outcome in a highly randomized process is foolhardy; low probability outcomes show up.
 
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apm1003 said:
Milan is arguably the most famous high school in the nation." That one is almost beyond absurd.
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That is absurd. Everyone knows it's Ridgemont High.

Seriously, that's what you choose to come here and argue about? Tell me you're a Boiler without saying I went to Purdue.
 
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apm1003 said:
I always considered your comment about Purdue never making a Final Four as totally ridiculous. Sean Connery once declared that he would never make another James Bond movie but he did. It was called "Never Say Never Again." Events that seem unlikely to us can and do occur fairly regularly.

However, you have topped yourself with the post that "Milan is arguably the most famous high school in the nation." That one is almost beyond absurd. I have lived in many parts of the USA. There are some well known high schools. Examples would be Boston Latin, Bronx HS of Science, Stuyvesant and Horace Mann in New York, Sidwell Friends, St. Albans, DeMatha and Georgetown Prep in Washington, DC, New Trier, Chicago Latin and Francis Parker in metro Chicago and Harvard-Westlake and Mater Dei in LA. But there is no way Milan is found in that company. In the movie, that is not even the name of the school. People in Indiana maybe aware, but outside of the state an extraordinarily small number do. Your post is a howler.

While "Hoosiers" is a good movie, it is not the best in its genre. "Chariots of Fire" was nominated for 7 Academy Awards and won 4 - including Best Picture. "The Natural" was nominated for 4 Oscars. "Field of Dreams" was nominated for 3; "Hoosiers" for only 2.

I get that you really like the film but you grossly overstate its place among the general public.

I would strongly advise that you not make those bets and save yourself a bunch of money.
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Hoosiers is used by a number of organizations and companies as a tool during team training.
 
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apm1003 said:
The Breakfast Club, Ferris Bueller and Risky Business were all set at New Trier in suburban Chicago. Sixteen Candles may have been as well since John Hughes was a graduate. They were each popular movies set at the same high school.

Milan HS was never named in the film; the school had a different name.

George Mason, VCU, Butler, Miami (last year), San Diego State (last year) and Alabama (this year) had been playing basketball long before Keady or Painter had careers and they made their first Final Fours. There are other examples. According to your criterion, their appearances were "totally ridiculous"; after all, they had been playing for 50 years before an appearance and therefore would never make one. The simple point is that the NCAA Tournament has a great degree of randomness inherent in it and anything with a high degree of randomness in it can have unusual outcomes. That's what math tells you. So claiming that there can never be a specific outcome in a highly randomized process is foolhardy; low probability outcomes show up.
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Hoosiers and Rudy are not popular movies and have been forgotten by everybody: got it. Society has also forgotten about the 1980 US Olympic hockey team, Buster Douglas, Jim Valvano, Butler, etc. Society does not care about underdog sport stories: got it.

I went with the odds, and I ended up 2% wrong: I'll take it.
 
kkott said:
That is absurd. Everyone knows it's Ridgemont High.

Seriously, that's what you choose to come here and argue about? Tell me you're a Boiler without saying I went to Purdue.
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Phoebe Cates climbing out of the swimming pool-the epitome of “voluptuous breasts”.
 
HoosierAlum07 said:
I just googled and came up with 3 FF appearances in Purdoo history while our Hoosiers have 8! So whats yer point purdooshbag? Btw as of now we STILL have 5 more banners than you so, you know…stfu!
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Yeah and what have you done lately. Zilch!
 
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purdave said:
Just like in Detroit. They don't travel well.
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Historically that is true. They did outnumber the Tenn Football fans though.

Will you hang a banner for that? Maybe Hellman's sponsors those as well.
 
purdave said:
Stop listening to Courtsense. He's a bitter idiot.
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Are you the one creating all these burner acoounts about me??

You have been advertising the fake posts from the account created in my name on HSN.
 
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HoosierJimbo89 said:
Hoosiers and Rudy are not popular movies and have been forgotten by everybody: got it. Society has also forgotten about the 1980 US Olympic hockey team, Buster Douglas, Jim Valvano, Butler, etc. Society does not care about underdog sport stories: got it.

I went with the odds, and I ended up 2% wrong: I'll take it.
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As much as you try to dodge the epic fail of your "..Purdue will never get to a Final Four..." prediction with some nonsense about being 43 for 44, it won't work.

Here's why. In order to be 43 for 44, you would have had to have made 44 different predictions beginning back in 1981. But you didn't do that. You made the prediction, at least here, last year after the FDU game and have repeating it ever since. Essentially one prediction. Also, your post includes "will never". In the English language that is the future tense. The past is not referred to at all in that prediction. So try to dodge all you want but you are still 0 for 1 - you didn't even make a full next season.

As for "Hoosiers" and "Rudi", each was an entertaining film. I saw and enjoyed both. I never posted anything about "Rudi" until now, and as for "Hoosiers", I posted that it was a good film but not the best in its genre. So you are totally twisting and/or making things up in my posts. That behavior is the reason people hold lawyers in low esteem.

As for Phoebe Cates, she was truly hot in Ridgemont High, which is an entertaining film. I liked it better than "Almost Famous", both Cameron Crowe's work. She owns and runs a women's boutique on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. I have always wanted to go to the store and check her out when on business trips to NYC, but regrettably have never gotten around to doing so,. It would be interesting.
 
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apm1003 said:
As much as you try to dodge the epic fail of your "..Purdue will never get to a Final Four..." prediction with some nonsense about being 43 for 44, it won't work.

Here's why. In order to be 43 for 44, you would have had to have made 44 different predictions beginning back in 1981. But you didn't do that. You made the prediction, at least here, last year after the FDU game and have repeating it ever since. Essentially one prediction. Also, your post includes "will never". In the English language that is the future tense. The past is not referred to at all in that prediction. So try to dodge all you want but you are still 0 for 1 - you didn't even make a full next season.

As for "Hoosiers" and "Rudi", each was an entertaining film. I saw and enjoyed both. I never posted anything about "Rudi" until now, and as for "Hoosiers", I posted that it was a good film but not the best in its genre. So you are totally twisting and/or making things up in my posts. That behavior is the reason people hold lawyers in low esteem.

As for Phoebe Cates, she was truly hot in Ridgemont High, which is an entertaining film. I liked it better than "Almost Famous", both Cameron Crowe's work. She owns and runs a women's boutique on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. I have always wanted to go to the store and check her out when on business trips to NYC, but regrettably have never gotten around to doing so,. It would be interesting.
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I wonder if the fan of the other three FF teams are acting like you guys?
 
Courtsensetwo said:
Historically that is true. They did outnumber the Tenn Football fans though.

Will you hang a banner for that? Maybe Hellman's sponsors those as well.
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YEP! The Banner is called "2024 NCAA FINAL FOUR"! It just happened, if you missed it, you can watch the finals starting next Saturday. Enjoy!
 
apm1003 said:
As much as you try to dodge the epic fail.....
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The epic fail would be FDU. How could I make a statement about anything if I wasn't born yet?

43 out of 44 = 98% correct.

You stated people forget great underdog stories: not true. I provided examples, including famous movies based on Indiana events.
 
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HoosierJimbo89 said:
The epic fail would be FDU. How could I make a statement about anything if I wasn't born yet?

43 out of 44 = 98% correct.

You stated people forget great underdog stories: not true. I provided examples, including famous movies based on Indiana events.
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Again, classic lawyer trick - make something up about the other side. There is a difference between a movie and a sports team. Movies are rerun on tv a lot. there are movie channels that run 24/7 and they need content so they rerun movies. Hoosiers was on tv, TCM, within the past 2 weeks. I did not watch it then but saw it in the cable Guide. I believe Rudi was shown recently as well. Repeats maintain familiarity because they are recent.

Sports teams are different. While fans of a particular team will remember, the general public's memory fades rather quickly. A recent study has shown that a very significant percentage of the American public cannot answer correctly questions like: what two countries fought in the Revolutionary War?; What was the cause of the Civil War? Who won and who lost?; and Which countries did the USA fight in WWII? That is unfortunately true and a terrible indictment of the educational system. To assume that a significant segment will remember who beat Virginia in the first round of the 2018 NCAA is crazy if they can't remember that far more important stuff. And in 5 years the same will be true for FDU. Of course, you will be citing FDU on your deathbed, but you will be a part of a minute minority.
 
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Courtsensetwo said:
thanks for running over to tell us
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That interior room in your home you go to during a Tornado warning?……Go there…
Then speak… Listen to yourself….Then listen for the echo……Repeat.
Now you know what it sounds like outside your head.

For God’s sake —- quit embarrassing the rest of us and just stop.

You certainly put the “I” in Indiana.

The little one. The second one.
The self absorbed, narcissistic one.

Go Wolf Pack.
 
apm1003 said:
Again, classic lawyer trick - make something up about the other side. There is a difference between a movie and a sports team. Movies are rerun on tv a lot. there are movie channels that run 24/7 and they need content so they rerun movies. Hoosiers was on tv, TCM, within the past 2 weeks. I did not watch it then but saw it in the cable Guide. I believe Rudi was shown recently as well. Repeats maintain familiarity because they are recent.

Sports teams are different. While fans of a particular team will remember, the general public's memory fades rather quickly. A recent study has shown that a very significant percentage of the American public cannot answer correctly questions like: what two countries fought in the Revolutionary War?; What was the cause of the Civil War? Who won and who lost?; and Which countries did the USA fight in WWII? That is unfortunately true and a terrible indictment of the educational system. To assume that a significant segment will remember who beat Virginia in the first round of the 2018 NCAA is crazy if they can't remember that far more important stuff. And in 5 years the same will be true for FDU. Of course, you will be citing FDU on your deathbed, but you will be a part of a minute minority.
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How about the 1980 USA hockey team beating the Ruskies? Have they been forgotten? Or, do they not count because Kurt Russell was in a movie about them?

New logic: an underdog sport story is not famous, becomes less famous, is forgotten more by the general public, and doesn't count if a movie is made about it. Interesting, because I think the opposite sort of happens.

I understand you would like FDU to be forgotten since you are a PU fan. Sorry: PU made history, and people will never forget. Great underdog stories are remembered.
 
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HoosierJimbo89 said:
How about the 1980 USA hockey team beating the Ruskies? Have they been forgotten? Or, do they not count because Kurt Russell was in a movie about them?

New logic: an underdog sport story is not famous, becomes less famous, is forgotten more by the general public, and doesn't count if a movie is made about it. Interesting, because I think the opposite sort of happens.

I understand you would like FDU to be forgotten since you are a PU fan. Sorry: PU made history, and people will never forget. Great underdog stories are remembered.
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Yes. The percentage of people born after the mid 70s knowing anything about the 1980 hockey team would be minimal. Just like most kids being recruited today have no knowledge of IU ever being relevant. When was the last last time IU was ranked in the top 25? 15? Hell, can any remember watching an IU team play on the second weekend? Unfortunately they are most familiar with an IU team that gets boat raced twice in a season by BT doormat Penn State.
 
HoosierJimbo89 said:
How about the 1980 USA hockey team beating the Ruskies? Have they been forgotten? Or, do they not count because Kurt Russell was in a movie about them?

New logic: an underdog sport story is not famous, becomes less famous, is forgotten more by the general public, and doesn't count if a movie is made about it. Interesting, because I think the opposite sort of happens.

I understand you would like FDU to be forgotten since you are a PU fan. Sorry: PU made history, and people will never forget. Great underdog stories are remembered.
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Believe it or not, most people do not recall the USA Hockey team beating the Russians. I know this firsthand. My son played youth hockey on the same team as the son of one of the players on the USA team in Lake Placid and other parents of players had forgotten and had to have it explained to them. Just because it is prominent in your mind doesn't mean others remember it; sad but true.
 
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apm1003 said:
Believe it or not, most people do not recall the USA Hockey team beating the Russians. I know this firsthand. My son played youth hockey on the same team as the son of one of the players on the USA team in Lake Placid and other parents of players had forgotten and had to have it explained to them. Just because it is prominent in your mind doesn't mean others remember it; sad but true.
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You've talked to "most" people? You might want to go look up the definition of "most". "Most" would be hundreds of millions of people and at least more than half of the human population, not a youth hockey team. You have interesting logic, to say the least. I guarantee you anybody who knows anything about sports knows about 1980 USA hockey, just like Hoosiers and Rudy. I thought Kurt Russell would at least help make them famous, according to your "logic".

PU was literally the biggest joke in the history of sports last season: that doesn't ever wash out.
 
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HoosierJimbo89 said:
You've talked to "most" people? You might want to go look up the definition of "most". "Most" would be hundreds of millions of people and at least more than half of the human population, not a youth hockey team. You have interesting logic, to say the least. I guarantee you anybody who knows anything about sports knows about 1980 USA hockey, just like Hoosiers and Rudy. I thought Kurt Russell would at least help make them famous, according to your "logic".

PU was literally the biggest joke in the history of sports last season: that doesn't ever wash out.
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Yeah. And that loss destroyed the program…..Mass portal entries. Disinvited from Maui and the strongest field in its history. They didn’t sign 6 highly rated prep players including one with a former pro parent who chose Purdue over their own school, and man, that loss carried over to the next year and they didn’t have the most impressive non con result in the history of college basketball. Nor did they win their conference by 3 games. And make the FF.

My bet is that a lot of schools would give their left nut and drop to 16 seed if they were guaranteed those returns the next season.

So really. Outside of your mind. Who of any importance gave a crap about the loss?
 
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HoosierJimbo89 said:
I'll take a 98% success rate any day of the week.

The UMBC 3 point barrage is historic and epic. I would bet money every serious basketball nut that I know remembers that game and team.

Hoosiers/Milan is one of the greatest stories ever told. The screenplay was nominated for an Oscar, and Hoosiers is arguably the greatest sports movie ever made. David slays Goliath. Milan is arguably the most famous high School in the nation.

UMBC. FDU. Milan. People don't forget underdog stories this good.
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What’s Milan?
 
Joetboiler said:
Yeah. And that loss destroyed the program…..Mass portal entries. Disinvited from Maui and the strongest field in its history. They didn’t sign 6 highly rated prep players including one with a former pro parent who chose Purdue over their own school, and man, that loss carried over to the next year and they didn’t have the most impressive non con result in the history of college basketball. Nor did they win their conference by 3 games. And make the FF.

My bet is that a lot of schools would give their left nut and drop to 16 seed if they were guaranteed those returns the next season.

So really. Outside of your mind. Who of any importance gave a crap about the loss?
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Posting on a IU forum During your own FF game tells us it bothers you.
 
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Yeah. And that loss destroyed the program…..Mass portal entries. Disinvited from Maui and the strongest field in its history. They didn’t sign 6 highly rated prep players including one with a former pro parent who chose Purdue over their own school, and man, that loss carried over to the next year and they didn’t have the most impressive non con result in the history of college basketball. Nor did they win their conference by 3 games. And make the FF.

My bet is that a lot of schools would give their left nut and drop to 16 seed if they were guaranteed those returns the next season.

So really. Outside of your mind. Who of any importance gave a crap about the loss?
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You miss the tip to make this point?

#rentfree little brother
 
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