If I was dumb enough to be in a situation like KR, 100 times out of 100 if I’m being chased by a mob proven to be violent & I have a gun, I’m defending myself. It sounds like you’d lay down & take whatever they’d dish out, which makes perfect sense for you. People chasing someone who just shot someone expecting not to get shot is the zenith of stupidity.So what was in depth about it? I guess you somehow believed Trump's lie that he "didn't know" that the reporter (Serge Kovaleski) suffered from the exact sort of joint disfigurement that Trump visibly mocked? There are many types of disabilities that afflict people, but by some huge coincidence Serge suffers from a condition that causes your joints to draw up in the same exact manner Trump displays here?
Well it didn't exactly go down like you claim, but never fear good old "non-partisan" jet liked your post...
So here is a video and comments from people who were involved. The early part sets the stage, but if you want to cut to the action you can fast forward it to the 11 min mark...
Notice how even the fat militia guy echoes what I said about the way KR acts after the first shot (actually 4 shots at a clearly unarmed man), and why the people who started chasing him reacted the way they did. KR shoots Rosenbaum, and while people are administering first aid to Rosenbaum right behind him a clearly out of his element KR calls someone.
It's at this point where KR could have walked to the cops and surrendered- no one was even paying attention to him. But eventually people take note of the fact that he has a gun and is standing by a wounded victim, and people start yelling that he shot that guy and start to chase him. The girl (Anthony Huber's girlfriend) says how he joined in the chase, although she tried to stop him.
My opinion is that after he killed Rosenbaum, KR's actions cease to be "self defense". The people chasing him see him as a criminal who just shot someone- THAT is the reason they chase him. The self defense aspect of the first shooting can be fleshed out in court, but running (and shooting at) people who are chasing you because they believe you shot someone (when that's exactly what happened) should not be grounds for self defense.
In that case anybody could shoot anyone, and then if he kills someone trying to apprehend him for killing that person, he can just claim self defense. This is where I believe the jury got it all wrong, because there was ample opportunity for KR to walk to cops and surrender and no one else had to die. Even the militia guy seems to agree with me.
It's true that KR is not mature enough to be able to think this coherently and act accordingly. But that further points up the fact that he purposely interjected himself into a volatile situation that he was far too immature to be able to handle... That's why I think there should have been some element of accountability for his recklessness.
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I believe Obama was divisive but then again I’m one of those people that goes to Mass regularly (clings to my religion) and owns a firearm (clings to my gun). So naturally I must be a bitter xenophobe as well.
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I didn’t think there were any smart people in Fort Wayne. But ftw has proven me wrong. He is a breath of fresh air. He puts me in the mind of another great poster, Ladoga.
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Then stop acting like good people with guns deter bad people with guns when defending the 2nd amendment. BTW, the people that tried to stop active shooter kr weren't even armed. Such major threats to the wannabe rambo.
Usually you guys love people that try to stop an active shooter. Apparently not when it doesn't fit your narrative.
Agree. But it seems while fringe kook groups on the right are creating some crazy gay sex theory, MSM is pushing that is some MAGA dude and this was bound to happen with all the Pelosi hate and ads demonizing her. Both are preposterous. He was a seriously mentally ill guy. Let's just leave it at that.
Once again, the point flew right over your head.
You're outraged by the attack on Pelosi, but have a meh attitude toward Paul, whose injuries were much worse.
I really get tired of having to dumb things down for you to understand.
He'll be fine, based on doctor reports. Do you disagree with them? If not, STFU.
Jesus H Christ, didn't you get the memo? That phrase went out the door with the Liz Cheney defeat. No one believes it - no one, except dupes like you and your fellow gullible clingers.
Yep, church goer and gun owner means you’re senseless and worthless to Zeke and other progressives.
Obama started the trend of POTUS weighing in on what should be local police cases. Trayvon Martin, his DOJ’s involvement in Ferguson.
It was horribly destructive and divisive, our culture and race relations have not recovered since.
I never thought about that! Then I was right about there’s not any smart people Ft Wayne.
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No, posts like that makes you senseless and worthless.
Hate to break it to you but going to church isn't just a conservative thing
And here you hop in with your nonsense cliches. FTW seems like a really good example of a church goer. Just like you try to pretend conservatives are the patriots and liberals are not, you like to pretend conservatives go to church and liberals don’t. It’s simplistic and stupid. And some of these church goers don’t appear to have much of the Christian theology and practices sink in. Just like some of those patriots think it’s being patriotic to storm the Capitol building.
Yeah that’s what did it, not the circumstances of high profile police shootings Or stand your ground .
He was a seriously mentally ill guy who regularly followed and echoed politicians on social media who repeatedly have asserted that "Nancy Pelosi is a traitor, and you know what we ought to do to traitors".
He wanted to cripple her, specifically to send a message to other Democratic politicians: You are next. He told that to Police.
It's not hard to see, if you open your eyes.
He's a real poster, and a fake Trumpster. The real ones are more than we need.
Okay, Swabbie.He's a real poster, and a fake Trumpster. The real ones are more than we need.
He was mentally insane. Party is immaterial. Many of these people came from the left. They liked Bernie. Anti establishment. Anti gov. Feelings of detachment that the gov and the system don’t have their interests at heart. It’s why many jumped to Trump. Instead of hahaha he’s on your team. He’s bad. By extension your bad, which is what your tiny, tiny brain is so horny to do, we should be asking why so many feel this way about our gov. But alas, ….
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Damn, and I always thought it was "wtf".
Oh, and he does have some similarities with Ladoga.
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Your opinion doesn’t matter one bit.So what was in depth about it? I guess you somehow believed Trump's lie that he "didn't know" that the reporter (Serge Kovaleski) suffered from the exact sort of joint disfigurement that Trump visibly mocked? There are many types of disabilities that afflict people, but by some huge coincidence Serge suffers from a condition that causes your joints to draw up in the same exact manner Trump displays here?
Well it didn't exactly go down like you claim, but never fear good old "non-partisan" jet liked your post...
So here is a video and comments from people who were involved. The early part sets the stage, but if you want to cut to the action you can fast forward it to the 11 min mark...
Notice how even the fat militia guy echoes what I said about the way KR acts after the first shot (actually 4 shots at a clearly unarmed man), and why the people who started chasing him reacted the way they did. KR shoots Rosenbaum, and while people are administering first aid to Rosenbaum right behind him a clearly out of his element KR calls someone.
It's at this point where KR could have walked to the cops and surrendered- no one was even paying attention to him. But eventually people take note of the fact that he has a gun and is standing by a wounded victim, and people start yelling that he shot that guy and start to chase him. The girl (Anthony Huber's girlfriend) says how he joined in the chase, although she tried to stop him.
My opinion is that after he killed Rosenbaum, KR's actions cease to be "self defense". The people chasing him see him as a criminal who just shot someone- THAT is the reason they chase him. The self defense aspect of the first shooting can be fleshed out in court, but running (and shooting at) people who are chasing you because they believe you shot someone (when that's exactly what happened) should not be grounds for self defense.
In that case anybody could shoot anyone, and then if he kills someone trying to apprehend him for killing that person, he can just claim self defense. This is where I believe the jury got it all wrong, because there was ample opportunity for KR to walk to cops and surrender and no one else had to die. Even the militia guy seems to agree with me.
It's true that KR is not mature enough to be able to think this coherently and act accordingly. But that further points up the fact that he purposely interjected himself into a volatile situation that he was far too immature to be able to handle... That's why I think there should have been some element of accountability for his recklessness.
No. You're missing the point. "Party" per se may be immaterial but ideology isn't. There's a plethora of evidence that many of these violent (usually young) men are radicalized by extremist views and conspiracy theories that flood the internet. Someone who's not particularly stable to begin with is particularly vulnerable to hate speech and calls for violence.
Read paragraph 15 of the affidavit in support of the arrest warrant and complaint. It reads in part:
"DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her . If
Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the truth , he would let her go , and if she lied, he
was going to break her kneecaps . DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not
have told the truth . In the course of the interview , DEPAPE articulated he
viewed Nancy as the leader of the pack of lies told by the Democratic Party.
DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy's kneecaps , she would then
have to be wheeled into Congress , which would show other Members of Congress
there were consequences to actions . DEPAPE also explained generally that he
wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to DEPAPE ."
Further:
"DEPAPE explained that he did not leave after
Pelosi's call to 9-1-1 because, much like the American founding fathers with the
British, he was fighting against tyranny without the option of surrender. DEPAPE
reiterated this sentiment elsewhere in the interview."
This latter quote was the clarion call of the Jan 6 rioters. They're all listening to, and reading, the same stuff. They're radicalized and brainwashed by the far-right.
He is a real poster that uses a different name. Sometime in '16 they mistakenly posted with the wrong name, I should have grabbed a screenshot so I would always remember who.He's a real poster, and a fake Trumpster. The real ones are more than we need.
That is the point. The Q Shaman was a lefty. He took up bc he felt that trump types comported with his ideology. So I agree with you. It’s ideology. And in many ways it was manifested through blm and the summer of love. There’s a growing population that feels like the gov either doesn’t support them or is actively against them.
Non-responsive. When politicians like Obama or a Clinton occasionally let the veil slip on what they think about middle America with comments like “bitter clingers” or “basket of deplorables”, it is incumbent upon us to take notice. For you it doesn’t change your calculus on them as a candidate and that’s okay. But try to be an honest broker for once.
“High profile police shootings” based on flawed and untrue narratives should not have prompted Obama to weigh in. In those moments I cited Obama felt he needed to show that he was a president for black Americans and forgot that he was actually a president for all Americans.
Florida’s stand your ground law is none of the federal governments business, obviously.
You think there is more than one person posting as Lucy?
Nope, I think one of our liberal posters posts as Lucy.
From what I have read, he just recently went right wing wacko, like over the past few months. But he has likely been liberal for the past 20+ years. He's a kook.
