Kliger was given admin access, it was negotiated down after the fact. That is a genie that was out. Maybe he well deleted anything he should not have. How do you prove it
If Trump authorized it, why did Trump negotiate less access after the fact?
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If Trump authorized it, why did Trump negotiate less access after the fact?
You got one that hasn’t been hacked from your health care provider or bank?
One of the first articles I found about federal prosecutions was from 2021 and it said 300 were charged by the Feds and by that point 120 were convicted with an average sentence of 27 months and 20 had 5 to 10 years. Most are state crimes though and it's hard to get all that information together though it's clear thousands were charged with crimes and thousands were convicted of something.
The National Security Advisor and Chief of Staff have no access to the personnel records of all federal workers.
You guys are complete idiots. As far as Musk goes…you all say thank you funny.
I explained after the first time DOGE tried to get sensitive personnel information. This data is stored in systems that have a SORN, PIA and ATO (Authorization to Operate) and they only get authorization for storing this sensitive information if the system is certified to have all the required security controls in place to keep it safe. Putting it on thumb drives and giving it to the DOGE whiz kids is a non-starter.
Sure they do. The Trump and agency heads just need to grant it as they’ve done for Musk.
So you're now referring to something that didn't happen as proof that something bad has occurred? This discussion is starting to mirror the conspiracy theory ones--"prove it's not impossible," "how do you explain this thing that didn't happen, but could have" and "it must be important, the government responded to it."
Internal government officials changed course. One department wanted something, another didn't want to give it up. I'm guessing that kind of thing happens quite often within our government, dont' you think? FBI, CIA, etc. Should we assume nefarious intent in every one of those instances?
I still think the maxim "Never chalk something up to malice, where negligence will suffice" [paraphrased] is useful. I've yet to see evidence or motive for bad intent here. Lots of ignorance and negligence, though, to be sure.
I have an open mind, though. Maybe a whistleblower will come forward or someone will leak something that will send Musk to jail.
Idiots? So says one of the board's biggest idiots. You literally make me LOL whenever you call anyone dumb, stupid or an idiot. I'm serious about that.
No they ****ing don't. They have no need to have access and don't have accounts on the systems which contain the information. Theoretically, the President could authorize it, but what President (besides Trump) would do that and what people would want the risk that comes with it when they have no need for access to this information.
So you concede the point, but used some expletives and threw in some Trump bashing to do so.
Angry little man.
With great power comes great responsibility. DOGE has been accessing unheard of power, they have had almost all guardrails removed. It calls for closer scrutiny, not less.
Trust but verify. Who is verifying?
What do you mean by "accessing unheard of power." Be specific. I've read this in opinion pieces but don't know what it refers to.
Verify what? That Musk isn't stealing data? The same way they do for every other federal employee who has access to similar data, I guess.
How would you respond to someone asking you: please verify you didn't steal something from work today?
Why in the hell would we suddenly become so cavalier about protecting sensitive personnel data? The government is already paying millions for identity protection services, every year, for former and current military workers whose personnel data was accessed via breaches (hacks) of the VA and OPM personnel systems. This is like the whole nine yards of data, bank and financial accounts, TSP accounts, home addresses, spouse and children information. Everything. What possible reason is there to give this data to DOGE whiz kids?
I conceded no point. You said they had it, and they don't. If the President wanted those two to have access it would be all over the news same as the DOGE thing is.
I'd still like to hear what possible reason would there be to grant this access.
Not from you. You're ignorant about most everything and I don't want to hear what ever you conjure up out of your ignorance.
I'm not angry and I'm not little, by the way. I just find you to be one of the most annoying know-it-alls that knows little that has ever cursed this forum.
Worrying is like paying a debt you don’t owe. That’s you fatty.
What’s on the 6th floor? Like the 9th floor of the old AB hq.
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The "DOGE whiz kids" are government employees charged with a task, coming down from the President. So referring to them in that way is nothing more than an attempt to sneak in an ad hominem. (If you want to take Trump's admin to task for their hiring decisions, fire away). As to why they need the data, so they can analyze it in aggregate to come up with suggestions of cuts? Because they wanted to cast as wide a net as possible, and then whittle it down from there? Because they were scared they'd miss something?
Did they do this erroneously? Yes. Did they mistakenly conclude all kinds of untrue nonsense from that data? Yes. Did they take data they later found out they didn't need? I'll take your word for it.
But that's an error in execution, not one of principle and it doesn't mean the real reason Musk did this was to secretly steal all the data and use it to . . . RULE THE WORLD!!
On multiple occasions the DOGE teens have rolled up in their Mystery Machine and accessed confidential personal info that even the heads of the organizations they were "investigating" did not have access to.
That’s some pathetic little semantic nonsense. You understand the larger point re: Musk accessing information. There’s nothing wrong with it. Trump could do so for pretty much anyone in his administration, confirmed appointment or not.
Part of what DOGE is doing is purging old SS numbers. Now before you start I understand old SS #’s don’t mean they’re necessarily receiving payments. But to purge old SS numbers I would think it would be helpful to have access to SS numbers. That track with you?
Data integrity is important.
Stopping Waste, Fraud, and Abuse by Eliminating Information Silos
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:Section 1. Purpose.
www.whitehouse.gov
(b) Within 30 days of the date of this order, Agency Heads shall, to the maximum extent consistent with law, rescind or modify all agency guidance that serves as a barrier to the inter- or intra-agency sharing of unclassified information specified in subsection (a) of this section. Agency Heads shall also review agency regulations governing unclassified data access, including system of records notices, and, within 30 days of the date of this order, submit a report to the Office of Management and Budget cataloging those regulations and recommending whether any should be eliminated or modified to achieve the goals set forth in this order. Regulatory modifications pursuant to this order are exempt from Executive Order 14192.
(c) Immediately upon execution of this order, Agency Heads shall take all necessary steps, to the maximum extent consistent with law, to ensure the Federal Government has unfettered access to comprehensive data from all State programs that receive Federal funding, including, as appropriate, data generated by those programs but maintained in third-party databases.
Nothing to see here....
Why shouldn't the feds have access to state data that they are entitled to?Stopping Waste, Fraud, and Abuse by Eliminating Information Silos
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:Section 1. Purpose.www.whitehouse.gov
(b) Within 30 days of the date of this order, Agency Heads shall, to the maximum extent consistent with law, rescind or modify all agency guidance that serves as a barrier to the inter- or intra-agency sharing of unclassified information specified in subsection (a) of this section. Agency Heads shall also review agency regulations governing unclassified data access, including system of records notices, and, within 30 days of the date of this order, submit a report to the Office of Management and Budget cataloging those regulations and recommending whether any should be eliminated or modified to achieve the goals set forth in this order. Regulatory modifications pursuant to this order are exempt from Executive Order 14192.
(c) Immediately upon execution of this order, Agency Heads shall take all necessary steps, to the maximum extent consistent with law, to ensure the Federal Government has unfettered access to comprehensive data from all State programs that receive Federal funding, including, as appropriate, data generated by those programs but maintained in third-party databases.
Nothing to see here....
Have the DOGE kids all been fully vetted with full security checks? Shouldn't that at least be the standard?
That they’re working late.
The president shouldn't be giving my info to people that don't need it. Show me where owner of all people's private information is in the job description for president
What isn't true? I would to hear how ignorant you are by pointing to specifics so we can laugh at you
They should be vetted the same way other govt employees are, sure. I assume there are different levels for different types of information, among other things.
That doesn't mean the data should be released for others.
And no, I don't believe I have received any notices of my medical records being hacked
You guys are crazy. And it’s making you all dumb. Of course they’ve been vetted.
