Can you answer my question? Why does any of this matter in the grand scheme of things?
Nonbinary babies? Let's have another fight!
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It doesn't impact me until I am forced to also buy into the lie. Society is built around norms.
I am going to get on my soapbox for a minute. There are some issues that objectively the more progressive minded people pushed for that were absolutely right and necessary (looking at how black Americans in particular were treated here.) However, having mostly won that fight, there has been this push into other areas that I don't know or believe have had the same benefit.
I would argue that after the civil rights movement, that the areas the left pushed into next have mostly had negative consequences. The idea of "well how does it hurt me if..." has been applied to quite a few things.
"How does it hurt me if sexually liberated women are no longer tethered to spouses but still have children?" Check the studies on how that has worked out.
"How does it hurt me if porn is plentiful, easily accessible, and many young people are engaging with it?" I can think of all sorts of ways.
"How does it hurt me if we mainstream the idea that being gender fluid and confused is the natural state and that we push the idea of changing sexes at a young age?" Look at suicide rates and the rates of people who change their mind about that stuff when they get out of puberty.
People don't like this, Americans in particular, but sometimes as a society you have to enforce norms and have a social cost to behavior that is out of the norm. "Let people do drugs..." Yeah, that has worked out well for San Francisco. On and on you can go and honestly there seems to be no end to the abnormal behavior that you guys are willing to entertain when you have all the power in an area.
A responsibility free world is a really bad world to live in.
Have you seen the show Hanna? Do you think it is possible for a kid like her to be trans while a kid? I’m not sure there is such a thing as a trans kid. It’s all about the adults.
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Some of them based on the way things have flipped on their head, yes, absolutely. In fact, that 20% of people that are under 18 and now identifying as one of the colors on the rainbow flag, yeah, statistics would show that roughly 75-80% of them are absolutely choosing.
I don't rewrite the rules for 3 to 4% of the population. Gays can marry, gays are male or female, gays cannot be discriminated against for work, service, etc. So what exactly more am I supposed to "give" them at this point? And most of this conversation isn't centering around who someone has sex with, it is centering on completely overhauling language and millenia of biological norms to appease an infinitesimally small subset of people.
You want to be a man who wears female blackface and claim gender identities are a social construct (although you paint yourself in a stereotypically female construct) you do you. I am not calling you a she. I will tolerate you by avoiding pronouns completely. I owe tolerance, not acceptance in this country.
Because people have centered this stuff on people's kids without permission or parental input.
Not for nothing, but in all that, you never actually provided a harm done to you. You sort of just said "Isn't it obvious?" over and over.
Changing percentages don't necessarily imply a choice. You think all those ancient Greeks chose to be pederasts? Society can shape the individual quite powerfully.
Add biologist to your extensive list of professional expertise!
Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. - Galatians 6:1
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. - 1 Timothy 5:20
My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. - James 5:19-20
Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, - Luke 17:3
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. - 2 Timothy 4:2
People always throw that verse out and have no clue as to the context. It is merely a tactic used to silence people. The bible says that people can judge all over it. There are two types of judgment you are not supposed to do, superficial and hypocritical. If you are participating in something wrong on the DL and then openly criticizing others for it, that verse is saying you will be judged in the same manner for the same sin that you are wanting to hand out. You also are not supposed to judge a book by its cover. Look at Luke 7:36-50 for an example of a Pharisee doing this.
Stop trying to weaponize someone's faith when you don't even understand what you are saying.
So Lot, what's your problem with Sodom and Gomorrah? How does it affect YOUR LIFE???? lolololol
No. But looking at and dissecting expert opinion is interesting and fun. Do you have anything to say about the merits?
I'm mostly with you. Let people be whatever makes them happy. Let people be called whatever makes them happy. For sports you play what you were born as, or you don't play. For schools if gender is and attendant matters are raised let the counselor handle it in cooperation with parents.
We overthink too much
Sure. Waiting for it to "sort itself out" later doesn't exactly address the birth certificate issue, does it? Parents have to pick something. They can't pick TBD.
I gotta side with some others here...I've yet to hear a way this stuff negatively affects you or myself. You won't answer the question. I go to Mass every week. No one is preventing me from practicing my faith.
And Crazy's obsession with homosexuality is a tad over the top.
Bull. My wife has taught for 20 ears. Other than a few lunatic fringe teachers, this ain't happening on a large scale.
Most pedophiles are white heterosexual males. By your logic, we should target this group based on a few bad seeds.
This is all grandstanding for votes and the sheep swallow it hook, line, and sinker.
Meanwhile, I eagerly await the Republican healthcare plan.
I could say the same as the right. You won't believe me, but I've voted Republican just as much as Democratic. While I don't agree with the Dem party on many things, I no longer recognize the Republican party.
The new generation you choose to embrace are truly awful human beings.
Unwed mothers lead to poverty, crime, and more unwed mothers. Unwed mothers are more abusive to their children. Single parents in general are more abusive. I live in a society where kids brought up in those adverse conditions grow into adults that are not able to care for themselves, turn to crime, turn to drugs, etc. which have societal costs we ALL pay.
The permissible attitude on crime in places like San Francisco and other places puts dangerous people back on the street where they prey on society. Looking the other way on theft chases stores out of poor communities which leads to job loss, higher prices, and lack of options. Those costs are spread to all customers. We all pay for shrink.
Lax attitudes on drugs leads to destroyed lives. More crime. People who are unable to take care of themselves who become a burden on social safety nets and medical services. It increases homelessness. San Francisco had a tracker where they were showing every place they had to clean human feces off the ground in the middle of one of a 1st world country's largest cities. That's a health hazard to everyone. Discarded needles are a health hazard to everyone. People sharing needles spread HIV in southern Indiana. Health hazard to us all.
Trans people are statistically among the most likely to be suicidal. People who had some gender confusion going through puberty are likely to identify as the sex they were born as if they do not transition before puberty has completed. I have 4 kids. There is an awful lot of evidence that suggests that society has gotten away from preaching tolerance on this issue and is instead promoting it. It is seeking out disaffected kids who want to he edgy and pushing them towards life altering decisions and often doing this while at the same time saying, "Don't tell Mom and Dad." That impacts me. The reply to this is that this is an overreaction and is not happening most places. Well my reply to that is if it is happening in even one place that is too many. There seems to be an abundance of teachers bragging about it on social media, so I think it is happening more than many would like to admit. However that response begs the question, at what percentage of this happening would it be considered a problem for those of you who are saying this is overblown? My gut feeling is that there is no percentage because you don't take issue with it at all, but we can't just come out and say that out loud can we?
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They all suck. The GOP has stuff they are not great on. Doesn't mean that the Democrats have not gone bat shit.
Or should they have to pick something? Is it a HIPAA violation for the presiding doctor to make it public domain?
Hm. And now I want to delete my last post. Rather not be associated with the AMA. 😎
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Although I tend to agree with the sentiment that this issue doesn’t motivate me much,I’m not sure that’s a valid test.
Im concerned with lots of things in the world that don’t directly affect me. Abstract notions of truth, justice, fairness. I’m sure you do, too.
Also, the response “why do you care so much” is kinda specious here. Goats OP invited and asked for a fight. So now you’re questioning why they are fighting?
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I was also questioning the validity but from a different angle. It seems a bit ironic if not hypocritical for liberals to ask that question when so much of their ideology advocates for the greater good. Anything that damages anybody damages my world and thus me.
Shotgun marriages went away. I haven't seen good studies that two parents hating each other for being trapped into a marriage was a good, or bad, thing for kids.
An analysis of out-of-wedlock births in the United States
George Akerlof and Janet Yellen look at the decline in shotgun marriages and rise in the births out of wedlock.
www.brookings.edu
And the bullying and societal disdain plays no role in that?
The last two items are solved by needle exchanges, but it isn't liberals who oppose that. Someone hooked on intravenous drugs aren't going off because they have to share needles. People who aren't hooked aren't saying, "look, a needle exchange, time to become an intravenous addict".
To the other, there have always been drug addicts and alcoholics. Even back in the ancient days. Of course alcoholism America largely accepted for a long time. Otis on Andy Griffith was funny, and accepted. A huge part of today's drug addictions came about from LEGAL narcotics. Some people get hooked on them and hooked quickly and we had doctors prescribing them like candy while pharma encouraged it.
I am not sure what other tests we can apply. Should you have the right to prevent someone from getting a tattoo you do not like?
Think of it this way, someone saying they are non-binary is free speech. That's what it is.
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Why are you concerned with whether a child in Georgia is taught about slavery? How does that affect your life?
Why are you concerned with whether Rittenhouse was convicted? How does that affect your life?
Most things we have opinions on and care about don’t directly affect our lives in any meaningful way. At all.
Again with the "this is not happening most places..." Prove it. Draw your line for what is "a lot".
To the person saying I have an obsession with homosexuality, I don't give a shit about it if left in its proper context. At home, with the person you are banging for the most part. I don't like too much PDA from hetero couples, it gets tacky, but that doesn't bother me with gay people either. However, when your entire reason for being is presented as who you choose to bang, you kind of make that the main issue in dealing with you.
Keep the heavy focus on it out of school, particularly elementary age. That's my sticking point. And for the idea that it "hardly happens" people sure as hell are invested in digging in to make sure there are not rules designed around these conversations that are barely happening. If the government bans a convo your teacher wife isn't having, why would she care?
My kids have an elearning day on Friday. The school district is doing a mandatory professional development day for teachers. Great, learning how to do their jobs better? Nah, it is Social Justice indoctrination for teachers. One of the intermediate schools used "This book is antiracist" as part of their professional development. That is in a large suburb of Indianapolis. Not sure where your wife teaches, but would be interesting how many professional development opportunities her school has provided over the past few years and what percentage of them were related to social justice topics and what percentage were related to, I don't know, teaching their core subject(s). It gets leaked what the teachers are doing in my district and each of the last 3 has been SJW focused. Whether that topic be sexuality or race based.
Again, 4 kids in school. Any time taken from them to learn true academic topics in exchange for Gina Has A Penis is time that is being stolen from them and as a parent that does impact me.
Do most political conservatives believe they are exclusively normal people equipped with common sense who can pass laws to set standards of normalcy for everyone ?
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What do you think the job of government should entail?
Should it be meddling in stuff that has no effect on anyone outside of the person in question?
The end goal should be to allow for everyone to have fairness and justice. Someone that wants to identify themself outside of M/F or different from what they were born does not hinder that goal or effect anyone outside of their family or partner (other than stuff like sports where it could be a competitive advantage).
The government should only be making sure those people aren't being discriminated against (i.e. promoting fairness) and that's it.
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I'm concerned when people are being taught lies or half truths (white washing) because it leads to a society that can't even agree on what is true.
Fair points, but you (nor Crazy) have answered the Tattoo question. What someone is taught, or what someone is convicted of, is not solely personal. If someone thinks of themself as non-binary that is their personal free expression like a tattoo.
I can't control if someone in Georgia IS racist. Can't stop that, don't try. It was like with vaccines, people came here saying they don't want to take a vaccine and I always said that was THEIR individual right. Someone has a right to think of themselves as a different gender, they don't have a right to make you think of yourself as a different gender.
It bothers me when children are involved. Their minds, even at 17, are still immature. I imagine in 20 years we’re going to have an insane mental health crisis of a lot of people who still aren’t happy despite their “gender” they picked.
