You said a mouthful, brother!
What a f***** up place you’ll find yourself in next season. You’ll be rooting for Archie to lose in just his 3rd season...
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You said a mouthful, brother!
What a f***** up place you’ll find yourself in next season. You’ll be rooting for Archie to lose in just his 3rd season...
#dumb
See snarley...this is where all you guys always cross the line from pessimism to douchebagism.
BTW, did you take Aloha up on his bet, since you are SO sure we are going to suck? So far, he has no takers (and one troll who is going through all sorts of contortions to make it look like he is not just a troll).
The problem is all you Archie lovers blamed injuries all season long(w a 17 man roster) and preached how important it is to have a full roster of healthy scholarship players for practice purposes etc...
Now suddenly same guys claim Archie is some sort of genius and the wiser for failing to get recruits to sign for him...and entering the season shorthanded...
Actually, I was cordial. You're the one who chose to start calling people names. I see they closed the bingo halls down early tonight. Speaking of douche bags, like yourself, there is still hope. I talked to a retiree and he said you won't believe the type of tail he is pulling in the nursing homes. See, there is still hope for your ugly mug after all. I actually offered Aloha and yourself a bet as well. You both declined.
Huh? Who are you talking about? We all said what? Lol
But nice try with the straw man arguments. Haven’t seen one poster calling Archie a genius. Link?
That you think the “wait-and-see crowd” has commissioned a statue for Archie is an issue you need to take up with a counselor. Just like that McRoberts interview, you honestly see and hear shit that better adjusted humans don’t. That’s some psychotic shit...
So, am I old, as you say, or a youngster, as Prankie says? I never can keep it straight.
Yes, I declined your bet. Did you decline Aloha's?
Finally, if your idea of cordiality is claiming that you KNOW how the upcoming season is going to play out, because you KNOW CAM screwed up, and everyone else is stupid, then we have a different concept of cordial behavior.
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It’s best to use dictionary words instead of making up neologisms, even if it were to produce a sing-song nifty rhyme. Just a thought.
So, am I old, as you say, or a youngster, as Prankie says? I never can keep it straight.
Yes, I declined your bet. Did you decline Aloha's?
Finally, if your idea of cordiality is claiming that you KNOW how the upcoming season is going to play out, because you KNOW CAM screwed up, and everyone else is stupid, then we have a different concept of cordial behavior.
I declined Aloha's bet. I think we should make the tourney.
As for your last paragraph. I typed two sentences and didn't state any of the things you typed. Also, considering it was Hondo, I think I was extremely cordial. He isn't exactly a sweetheart
I hate when people use salary as a reason a coach should perform better. A coach will work just as hard to win if he is paid $1 million or $10 million. Archie's salary is based on what it takes to hire and retain him based on his experience and marketability.
The more you get paid the higher the standards/expectations. Your point is silly.
Touche'Also, considering it was Hondo, I think I was extremely cordial. He isn't exactly a sweetheart
So you're saying that if he made 1/10 of what he makes now that everyone that is calling for him to be fired after year two would instead be okay with the situation? I don't buy it.
No, I didn’t say that. You really don’t understand that Lebron James is expected to perform better than Channing Frye? And because of that expectation he is paid millions more than the other guy?
That's not what he said. If LeBron James was making as much as Channing Frye would you still expect him to perform better than Channing Frye? Tom Brady has taken multiple pay cuts throughout the duration of his career to accommodate roster moves, did his expectations change based on his salary?
Reality is, you don't give a sh*t what Archie makes. It's not coming out of your pocket and doesn't affect you in the slightest.
You didn't say that straight out but it's certainly what you implied.
I do understand that that certain people command more money than others, I'm trying to understand why you were refuting the previous post. But now you're basically arguing the point that iubud was making and you argued against. Using the salary as a basis for setting expectations is ridiculous. So I'm glad we all agree.
I’m sure the CEO of McDonalds has the same expectations as a cashier at McDonalds. They just drew a number out of hat and decided to pay the CEO more
We can agree your posts are getting dumber.You’re a real deep thinker. I do care what IU pays its coaches. Generally, your able to attract the best talent when you pay the best. You’re also able to have high expectations for how they perform as well. Unless, your in the camp that expectations/ job performance don’t increase when your salary increases.
I’ll use IU football for example. My current expectation is for Allen to win around 50% of his games. Part of the reason for that is what he and the other coaches are paid. If, next year, IU decided to hire a new coach and they were going to make him the highest paid college coach, my expectations would change. They would be much higher than winning 50% of their games. I’m not sure why this is even controversial.
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The posts you're making on this topic are asinine and nonsensical.I’m sure the CEO of McDonalds has the same expectations as a cashier at McDonalds. They just drew a number out of hat and decided to pay the CEO more
Let me spell it out for you since you seem to not grasp a very simple truth: the expectations are dependent upon the person and/or position held and not the salary. There are CEOs whose salaries are $1 and stocks. Do you think they have lower expectations because of the low salary? No, they don't.
Now back to the topic on hand - IU and Archie Miller. Again would the expectations for him be lower if he made $350K instead of $3.5M? This is what you are once again implying and the answer is still no. The expectations come with the position, not the salary. He gets the salary because he's in the position and he was deemed a good enough coach at the time of hiring to get that much. Bob Knight was paid less than Miller, were the expectations for him lower?
So saying, "Coach is paid $x so he should get it done" is a dumb argument. He should get it done because he is the coach, regardless of how much he makes.
I guess we're not in agreement, you accidentally made the same argument on accident due to your contrary nature combined with not being able to understand the topic.
So you are saying that if Miller made 1/10 of his current salary his expectations would be lower. How much lower? 1/10th of current? 1/5? 1/2?
I think we both know this isn't true.
I’ll use this as an example. Tom Brady is the 18th highest paid QB in the NFL. Do you expect him to perform like the 18th best QB next year? If he does it that acceptable to him or the Patriots.
Salaries are dictated by market value and the ability retain a coach. Jeff Brohm is a top 10 paid coach. Do you really think Purdue expects, let alone demands that Purdue is a top 10 football team year in and year out? Of course not. They paid him that so he didn’t walk. Matt Painter is paid in the bottom half of the B10. Do you think the Purdue AD and then fans would be content if Purdue finished in the bottom half of the B10 every year just because he’s paid in that manner?
You’re too stupid to have an intellectual conversation, let alone an enjoyable one.
Yes, they would be lower. Also, Miller, wouldn’t be the coach. He’s not an idiot and he wouldn’t take a pay cut to have higher expectations at a much more difficult job. It would also signify to me that Indiana no longer values or strives to be an elite program. I wouldn’t expect us to be a top 40 program if we were only willing to pay the head coach $350,000, assuming the current market rates for elite coaches.
Do you just like talking in circles? If Coach K came out tomorrow and said, “Duke has given me everything I’ve ever asked for, I’m 72 years old and have more money than I can count, I’m going to give back 90% of my salary to the university” the program expectations at Duke suddenly change? Is that how that works?
The issue is you're a petulent child and you're not intelligent. Most of your posts start out with some straw man argument and you try to find an anomaly to prove your stupid point. My only claim was expectations/job performance increase when salaries increase. That's generally how markets/jobs work. Sure, you can be pedantic and find the exceptions. Have fun with that. Also, Tom Brady blows a#@. You're probably a Michigan fan.
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I’ll fix it. The expectations are dependent upon the person, position, and salary. It’s extremely idiotic to argue otherwise. I answered the Archie question above.
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So, you agreed the entire time, but chose to be a disingenuous douche instead?
Not at all. Never claimed salary didn't factor into anything but it certainly doesn't dictate or demand expectations.
Just to clarify. You’re claiming salary doesn’t dictate expectations at all? Zero, nada, nothing?
LolSo, am I old, as you say, or a youngster, as Prankie says? I never can keep it straight.
Yes, I declined your bet. Did you decline Aloha's?
Finally, if your idea of cordiality is claiming that you KNOW how the upcoming season is going to play out, because you KNOW CAM screwed up, and everyone else is stupid, then we have a different concept of cordial behavior.
The head basketball coach at Indiana University will always have the same program expectations regardless of what he is paid. Regardless if Archie is making $1mil, $5mil, or $10mil that expectations stay the same. If Archie was only making $2mil instead of $3mil a year would your opinion of him be any different? Of course not because salary doesn't dictate expectations.
Being serious, Tom Crean is getting paid more at Georgia than he was at Indiana. You think that's because Georgia has higher program expectations? No it's because it's what the market dictates. Larry K makes nearly $3.5mil at Utah, there's no way they have higher program expectations than IU.
This is absurd. If IU were only willing to pay $1 million per year none of us could complain about the coach because we’d have no shot at landing an elite coach.
But if you have an elite job and are willing to pay towards the top end, then there’s an expectation of results because that coach’s replacement options are so much more.
That kid has no concept of how the real world works. He’s probably used to bullying kids on recess and comes on here trying to do the same. Just really immature.I’m sure the CEO of McDonalds has the same expectations as a cashier at McDonalds. They just drew a number out of hat and decided to pay the CEO more
You just contradicted yourself.
Elite jobs are elite jobs because the of the expectations, not because of the salary. A job isn't elite because of how much money you pay the coach, the job is elite because of the expectations that come with the job. I could give you a list of 100 coaches who would voluntarily leave their job to go coach Duke even if it was only paying $1mil/yr.
Elite coaches aren’t going to take average jobs regardless of pay. But elite coaches aren’t going to elite jobs if they’re not willing to pay either.
There’s a reason K and Cal are the highest paid coaches. It’s not charity.
You need an elite job AND the pay to attract the best candidates. One or the other isn’t going to get it done. And if you have both but aren’t getting the results then that’s when fans should be upset.
Brad Stevens is in the lower third in terms of salary at $3.6mil a year. One could argue that the Boston Celtics is the most prestigious NBA job of all time. Meanwhile, the Wizards made Scott Brooks the third highest paid coach in the league. You really about to tell me the Wizards have higher franchise expectations than the freaking Wizards? Because they pay more. your argument has been debunked in less than 30 seconds.
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