More reasons to hate Izzo and his dirty program

[minneman]

One allowed use of young girls to lure in recruits.

One allowed young girls to be used by players.

Hard for me to differentiate. And I liked Izzo as a coach - until all that came down. Have no respect for him now whatsoever.

You have a hard time differentiating between willing young women being used to lure recruits and not punishing the raping of young women? Seriously? While the former isn't moral or ethical at least they were willing. The latter is much worse.

BTW, these are young women we're talking about here, not young girls.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

You have a hard time differentiating between willing young women being used to lure recruits and not punishing the raping of young women? Seriously? While the former isn't moral or ethical at least they were willing. The latter is much worse.

BTW, these are young women we're talking about here, not young girls.

BOTH are illegal - especially the one daughter of Powell not even being 18 (although swears she was).

I’m not talking about the players actions. THAT is most definitely worse.

My reference is to both coaches view on young women. You use or abuse - either way, you don’t RESPECT them. As a father of two daughters I’m very sensitive to that.

Yes, what happened at MSU is far worse. This is about the integrity of either coach. Both fail miserably in that regard.

 

[stripetology]

Grandpa Paterno and Grandpa Izzo know nothing about what was going on.

MSU student athletes or athletic doctors raping women on campus is not "all-good" unless you live in a 3rd world country with no human rights. Where is the #MeToo movement on this widespread MSU athletic department's systemic sexual violence scandal?

The Me Too movement is more effective mobilizing against the popular public figure target of the day. The MSU situation often includes unidentified athletes and unnamed people within the school. There doesn't seem to be any pressure to really clean up the problem, but just stall and wait for people to focus on the next outrage. UNC did this successfully with their academic scandal. Kansas and others are doing that with their payment of players and the FBI probe.

Schools like MSU, UNC, and Kansas are showing how ruthless you have to be to win at a high level. You have to be willing to ignore distasteful things and protect your top programs at all cost. You won't see them self-reporting, firing coaches, or starting over from scratch. IU fired a football coach that had taken the team to 2 consecutive bowls and Sampson for less than other schools. Kelley at ND killed a kid at practice. That seems worse than what Wilson did. Is making illegal phone calls and lying worse than paying players or enabling rape?

Do we want to be like those other athletic programs? I don't want a reputation of cheating and rape. Winning without those vices will make it more sweet.

Not disagreeing with your perspective but IU have been as pompous in its own regards detriment to its programs. Where’s the happy medium? They haven’t found it in 20+ years in Bball or football

 

[ufo33]

Not disagreeing with your perspective but IU have been as pompous in its own regards detriment to its programs. Where’s the happy medium? They haven’t found it in 20+ years in Bball or football

Admin does not care about winning.
Not cheating is more important than winning.
This is not true almost everywhere else.

 

[stripetology]

Not disagreeing with your perspective but IU have been as pompous in its own regards detriment to its programs. Where’s the happy medium? They haven’t found it in 20+ years in Bball or football

Admin does not care about winning.
Not cheating is more important than winning.
This is not true almost everywhere else.

I would counter/add that keeping programs from becoming TOO successful has been primary goal. Pres stated it back in 2000. Been consistent w/ actions ever since.

 

[iubud]

I would counter/add that keeping programs from becoming TOO successful has been primary goal. Pres stated it back in 2000. Been consistent w/ actions ever since.

Brand thought the basketball program and Knight was more powerful than he was. He didn't like it and ultimately fired RMK to show who was in charge. That was a couple of presidents ago. McRobbie doesn't seem to be an empire builder, just an academic that sees athletics as a means to a treasure chest of cash. The teams don't need to be that good to reap the rewards of TV and a share of the conference bowl appearances in his eyes.

McRobbie likely didn't grow up following American college basketball or football. He doesn't have an emotional attachment to those sports and possibly any sport. I suspect that Glass has financial performance as his #1 priority along with keeping the programs clean as that affects the value of the brand. I saw recently we are the top 5 most valuable program. I doubt McRobbie cares about being any higher.

 

[stripetology]

I would counter/add that keeping programs from becoming TOO successful has been primary goal. Pres stated it back in 2000. Been consistent w/ actions ever since.

Brand thought the basketball program and Knight was more powerful than he was. He didn't like it and ultimately fired RMK to show who was in charge. That was a couple of presidents ago. McRobbie doesn't seem to be an empire builder, just an academic that sees athletics as a means to a treasure chest of cash. The teams don't need to be that good to reap the rewards of TV and a share of the conference bowl appearances in his eyes.

McRobbie likely didn't grow up following American college basketball or football. He doesn't have an emotional attachment to those sports and possibly any sport. I suspect that Glass has financial performance as his #1 priority along with keeping the programs clean as that affects the value of the brand. I saw recently we are the top 5 most valuable program. I doubt McRobbie cares about being any higher.

Agree. Also why I’m only doing minimum donations going forward to just keep tickets. I know not as much as big donors but in principle I can’t give my money to that philosophy

 

[ufo33]

Aussie McRobbie needs to move on.
Hire an American who loves American sports.

 

[iubud]

Agree. Also why I’m only doing minimum donations going forward to just keep tickets. I know not as much as big donors but in principle I can’t give my money to that philosophy

I don't think my wife has donated to the Varsity Club this year. She donates to her program and we have IU plates. We received a clock for 25 years of VC donations and we have plenty of decals. We got screwed on our ticket locations two years in a row (row 10 to row 39 and 40). We stopped buying the mini series package and just buy individual tickets from StubHub or from friends that offer tickets they can't use. We often couldn't give tickets away from the package. We are able to see the games we want on the days and times that allow us to travel and deal with a time change.

I haven't bought a football ticket from the school for a while and have been to every game I wanted to attend. I don't reward bad treatment. I believe we have come out way ahead by avoiding the gas, food, and the occasional hotel room to watch a game we don't care about.

 

[palos6637]

Izzo is not to he touched?
Like RMK was?
Izzo can be touched if these rape allegations go to court. This is far worse than a temper tantrum or grabbing a player. This is worse than Penn State.

I will believe it when I see it. He has the #1 ranked team in the country for next year. They will do everything they can to protect him.

The difference is Knight was not going to final fours anymore when he was let go. Good luck trying to get rid of a guy who just made a final four.

Spot on! When Knight stopped winning he was no longer untouchable.