The irony in those statements as you continue to try and justify a rape enabling a@#hole, because he wins some basketball games. How many of his players have been accused of rape now? Is it 5 or 6? It's hard to keep count with the Nassar case, this case, the assistant coach case, and Payne case. You have to be a damn idiot to stick up for Izzo.
More reasons to hate Izzo and his dirty program
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The irony in those statements as you continue to try and justify a rape enabling a@#hole, because he wins some basketball games. How many of his players have been accused of rape now? Is it 5 or 6? It's hard to keep count with the Nassar case, this case, the assistant coach case, and Payne case. You have to be a damn idiot to stick up for Izzo.
STFU rape apologist.
35 sexual assaults since 2012 in the athletic program.
Those are just the ones reported. Keep defending the rapists. Hillbilly vs Rapist. I'd rather be a hillbilly than a rapist. I would rather be almost anything than associated with a bunch or rapists.
Dude, just quit raping the co-eds. No means no.
Problem over.
You need to work on your literacy before calling other people hayseeds. The above paragraph is laughable at best and makes you appear dumb..
Okay. Let's start with the definition of the phrase "rape enabler". Define it correctly and you get a cookie.
Enlighten me, please. Would love to benefit from your superior "literacy"skills. Haha
Enlighten me, please. Would love to benefit from your superior "literacy"
Did you try to link a picture but you're too stupid to get it done? Keep throwing out insults guy that can't properly link a picture from imgur.
Other than recruiting the unnamed players involved in the incident, what exactly is Izzy guilty of? If he was unaware of the incident, he would not be expected take any action regarding the players. The university is investigating the claims and Izzo should be silent until the
The incident is apauling. But I fail to see why it should make
The incident is apauling. But I fail to see why it should make
Your assessment of this situation makes more sense than many posters on this board. I find the hatred of Izzo and MSU disturbing. One thing is certain, MSU BB is thriving under Izzo and we are struggling. Trying to use this incident to support an irrational hatred of Izzo and MSU Is misguided.
I can't stand any of our opposing coaches in the Big, and Izzo is the biggest crybaby in the conference. He yells at the refs all game and I can't stand him. That's my reason. It's sports. I don't need another reason. Yet he gives me an easy one. His team has been accused of multiple rapes and other sexual assaults.
Now, his "assessment" above is to immediately go after a 22 year old young woman bringing forth gang rape allegations against 3 members of the basketball team. Tom Izzo's basketball team. Rape accusers rarely lie about being raped. Yet 63% of all sexual assault never gets reported due to a myriad of reasons. His "assessment" is a perfect example of why so many cases go unreported.
https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf
On the flip side, when a woman does come forward she allows her shame to be broadcast to the world and must undergo much scrutiny and unfair assumptions. Like the list he put out in his "assessment". This woman went to the counselors at MSU and was told not to pursue it due to the men being on the basketball team. There is a systemic sexual assault culture at MSU, and Izzo and his team are part of the problem.
"If you pursue this, you'll be swimming with some pretty big fish"
Tells you everything you need to know about the culture in East Lansing.
Izzo left a walk on rape suspect on the bench. With the bad performance on protecting their own students from sexual assaults, one would think he could miss having a walk on suit up until cleared. His survivor speech was hollow and empty with a suspected rapist on the bench. Unless he has his own investigators (with the people that attend MSU, maybe he does) to be sure of the outcome, why take a chance on a walk on?
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...ashington-arrested-charged-assault/494138002/
It goes both ways … not reporting it for almost 5 years? Hmm … remember the Duke fancy pants Lacrosse players that I and nearly the whole universe would have jumped to judgement on … well, we were wrong and that was BS, and this seems circumspect too. That it's MSU and they're in the spotlight makes it more circumspect in my mind … you didn't mind getting raped a year ago or two years ago when the whole MSU thing broke?
Let's just say this … I really don't care so much about our players getting drunk or high or running themselves over … we may suck at BBall, but we're not a rapey program … least we got that, and that I'll grant. This smells of BS though
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Really? Are you serious? How does it seem circumspect? Have you analyzed the files from when she visited MSU counselors and they told her to not pursue the matter? You bring up a singular event, Duke lacrosse, and I link studies that show that over 63% of all sexual assaults don’t get reported. It also stated that over time, only somewhere between 8.1% - 2.1% of these accusations have proven to be false.
Yet because Duke lacrosse happened we’re now supposed to assume all women are lying? That if they wait 5 years to report then their story is a lie? 35 reported sexual assaults say it’s worth examining without bias. I’m not jumping to judgement, but more importantly, I’m definitely not leading with doubt for the accuser like you have clearly done.
Exactly … do you think Crean was smoking a bong with Hanner? Sometimes I think his in game coaching, well maybe he ate too many brownies, but these kind of coach should be mother allegations are BS. If there's any merit to it, kick them off the team. I'm sure he would have if there was any evidence … was a walk on, so obviously he probably thought it was BS too, and don't destroy some kid's life over BS
You call someone a “rape enabler” and claim there’s a “systemic culture of sexual assault” at MSU but you’re not “jumping to judgement”? All based on admitted speculation rather than any facts, by the way. On a board of complete idiots, you’ve lowered the bar. Nice job.
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Exactly … it's still innocent till proven guilty right? And there is no evidence that Izzo even knew of anything, much less tried to conceal anything. Listen, I'm not a huge MSU fan, but I'm not going to make up innuendo about him cause they beat us into outer space regularly .. maybe this dude should text him tonight and see how sexy he really is
Does the name Joe Paterno ring a bell?Exactly … it's still innocent till proven guilty right? And there is no evidence that Izzo even knew of anything, much less tried to conceal anything. Listen, I'm not a huge MSU fan, but I'm not going to make up innuendo about him cause they beat us into outer space regularly .. maybe this dude should text him tonight and see how sexy he really is
Really, in a matter the police haven't investigated per the article … you're jumping to that ?
Exactly … seems he knows much more about what is going on that we or the police … I proclaim he's accessory
Well true, I'd agree with about all you said … but it is unfair to cast blame on Izzo, who the accuser said knew nothing of it and didn't file a police report to this day. WTF? I hate losing to them every year too, but I'm not going to make up shit about his character or parlay that into he knows about some "mass sexual abuse culture" just because they regularly beat us these days. He's a BBall coach, not a DA. Good Grief
Meanwhile, the sports media has forgotten all of this. Sins are washed away with the holy water of a Final Four.
They are getting ready to bronze a statue of the guy.....made out of the melted down metal from the recently displaced Joe Pa and Saddam Hussein statues. It’s all good.
Uhh...we swept him this year. Don’t know how but we did.
The pu trolls don't keep up on things like that.
Threat of rape … I don't know how the hell either, that's as good as any I got
There have been 35 REPORTED sexual assaults, plus the Larry Nassar travesty involving hundreds of girls. Many MSU staff have been fired and some have been sentenced to prison. Are you stupid, or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
Grandpa Paterno and Grandpa Izzo know nothing about what was going on.
MSU student athletes or athletic doctors raping women on campus is not "all-good" unless you live in a 3rd world country with no human rights. Where is the #MeToo movement on this widespread MSU athletic department's systemic sexual violence scandal?
The Me Too movement is more effective mobilizing against the popular public figure target of the day. The MSU situation often includes unidentified athletes and unnamed people within the school. There doesn't seem to be any pressure to really clean up the problem, but just stall and wait for people to focus on the next outrage. UNC did this successfully with their academic scandal. Kansas and others are doing that with their payment of players and the FBI probe.
Schools like MSU, UNC, and Kansas are showing how ruthless you have to be to win at a high level. You have to be willing to ignore distasteful things and protect your top programs at all cost. You won't see them self-reporting, firing coaches, or starting over from scratch. IU fired a football coach that had taken the team to 2 consecutive bowls and Sampson for less than other schools. Kelley at ND killed a kid at practice. That seems worse than what Wilson did. Is making illegal phone calls and lying worse than paying players or enabling rape?
Do we want to be like those other athletic programs? I don't want a reputation of cheating and rape. Winning without those vices will make it more sweet.
Izzo is a pretty big public figure in Lansing.
I think he qualifies as a big public figure for #MeToo to attack.
Until his name is brought out as being involved in the rape, a cover up for one of his players, or applying pressure, he would just shake it off. It is good to be the big fish.
Pitino lied. Zero Ethics. Reputation destroyed. Career over. Izzo was a part of the systemic sexual violence cover-up in the athletic department at MSU, which is even worse.
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One allowed use of young girls to lure in recruits.
One allowed young girls to be used by players.
Hard for me to differentiate. And I liked Izzo as a coach - until all that came down. Have no respect for him now whatsoever.
Pitino was left on the vine to die. He had nobody wanting to defend him as they had other issues with the program, He wasn't worth the delay tactics to keep the program going forward. MSU is sticking together with a promising year coming up for them.
