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Monkey Pox - Call a Spade a Spade

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The media will likely do it's best to avoid calling this what it is, a disease spread amongst gay men. But they won't. When you see children getting the disease and the parents are gay, CPS should be called. And now, in France, this poor dog. People are sick. If we had a media that wasn't so woke, they'd come out and ease any and all fears that says unless you are having sex with another gay man, you have nothing to worry about here. This is disgusting.

 
Because gay sex is the only way it is spread? lol

Just because it's prevalent in that community doesn't mean it is the only way it is spread.
 
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The media will likely do it's best to avoid calling this what it is, a disease spread amongst gay men. But they won't. When you see children getting the disease and the parents are gay, CPS should be called. And now, in France, this poor dog. People are sick. If we had a media that wasn't so woke, they'd come out and ease any and all fears that says unless you are having sex with another gay man, you have nothing to worry about here. This is disgusting.

You state that a child got the disease.

Then you say a dog got the disease.

You follow up by saying there is nothing to worry about "unless you are having sex with another gay man."

Are you claiming the dog and the child "had sex with another gay man?"
 
You state that a child got the disease.

Then you say a dog got the disease.

You follow up by saying there is nothing to worry about "unless you are having sex with another gay man."

Are you claiming the dog and the child "had sex with another gay man?"
Apparently he thinks anal is the only way to get it.
 
Monkeypox is spread by other means. Sexual transmission is the most likely BUT it isn't the only transmission. One has to come into repeated contact with a pox that is leaking. So a person with monkeypox on their hand and pets a dog can give monkeypox to the dog. A person with the pox on a leg wearing shorts and bouncing a child on their leg can spread it. .6% is pretty low but far from impossible.

Here's where there has been a lot of confusion. So yes, it is possible for monkeypox to transmit nonsexually. There are examples where people catch the virus through face-to-face interactions with someone or by touching a contaminated surface. But data from this outbreak shows these routes of transmission are extremely rare in public settings, and when they do occur, it most likely happens when you live with an infected person, says Dr. Susan McLellan.​
"During this outbreak, there will probably be at least one random case where somebody gets it on a bus. But, you know, that's going to be profoundly rare, probably less likely than being hit by that bus," she says. "If monkeypox were easily transmitted on the subway, on buses, we would be seeing it among a very different population than almost purely among the population where transmission is occurring mostly during close, intimate contact."​
The virus just doesn't spread well through these nonsexual routes, data show. For example, in this current outbreak, only about 0.2% of people infected have caught the virus from a contaminated surface, the World Health Organization reported this week.​
In general, to catch the virus through a nonsexual route, you likely need prolonged exposure to the virus or exposure to a large amount of virus, says infectious disease specialist Dr. Peter Chin-Hong at the University of California, San Francisco. It likely takes hours of repeatedly touching the virus on surfaces or breathing in particles to get infected. Or you would have to rub vigorously against another person's skin or mucous membranes, Chin-Hong says. "You would have to brush against them, like a scrubbing brush, to then make an abrasion in your skin that monkeypox can enter," he explains. "That would then cause a lesion on your arm, which we haven't really seen in this outbreak."​
So you're not going to catch monkeypox through casual contact with a contaminated surface or infected person, Chin-Hong says. You're not going to get it while trying on a jacket at the thrift store or brushing against someone with a monkeypox rash on a bus at a festival or sitting on a seat on a plane where the previous occupant was infected.​
Even if you're living with a person infected with monkeypox, your risk of catching the disease is surprisingly low, says biologist Joseph Osmundson. Preliminary data, with a small number of cases, found that the chance of spreading monkeypox to a household member, not through sex, is only about 0.6%.​
"I think that percentage may be a little low and will rise as we get more data," says Osmundson. "But household transmission rates for this strain in endemic countries [that is, countries where the virus is entrenched] ] is still only around 3%. And we're talking about sharing a bathroom with a person who's known to be infected in your home."​

 
You state that a child got the disease.

Then you say a dog got the disease.

You follow up by saying there is nothing to worry about "unless you are having sex with another gay man."

Are you claiming the dog and the child "had sex with another gay man?"
I know that it's spread on skin to skin contact and the lesions are almost exclusively in the genitalia area. So, is it 100% this came from sex. No. Is it more likely than not. I believe so, yes. Maybe they let the dog lick their groin area. Who knows. What I do know is the common denominator is gay men.
 
... lesions are almost exclusively in the genitalia area. So, is it 100% this came from sex.
Dude.. you are WRONG.
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Marvin just handed you a boatload of facts. Why can't you just read them?
I did read it and appreciate the content. I also look forward to all the now personal attacks and name calling that is normal on this board because of my take. Just like when I said back in 2021 that I felt the vaccines did nothing to prevent the spread of Covid and was determined to be nuts and all the other toxicity that came with that. If people cannot see this Monkey Pox for what it is and the population that's spreading it, that's fine. You won't see me personally attacking them and calling them a host of insults and everything else. I am simply calling a "spade a spade". I will do as I always try and do which is to critique the take and not attack the person.
 
That's gross. Question would be how did he get it?
The question is whether you will admit you were wrong, when you said that you only get lesions in the genital area.

And the answer is... no, when it is 100% clear to everybody, EVEN TO YOU, you will just deflect and not face facts.
 
...I felt the vaccines did nothing to prevent the spread of Covid and was determined to be nuts
97.6% protection from death, if you are over 50, vaccinated & boosted, as opposed to being unvaccinated.

The most successful vaccination effort in the history of Earth. Literally tens of millions of lives saved.
 
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The question is whether you will admit you were wrong, when you said that you only get lesions in the genital area.

And the answer is... no, when it is 100% clear to everybody, EVEN TO YOU, you will just deflect and not face facts.
Sorry. I was wrong.

The World Health Organization has zeroed in on sex as a major driver of the outbreak it declared a global emergency in July, noting infections were especially pronounced in men who have multiple male sex partners or attended events with frequent sexual activity.

WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus in a news conference last week said the outbreak could be stopped by a collective effort of government and individuals. He said men who have sex with men should consider reducing their number of sex partners, avoiding new ones and exchanging contact information to allow for contact tracing and post-exposure vaccination.

 
97.6% protection from death, if you are over 50, vaccinated & boosted, as opposed to being unvaccinated.

The most successful vaccination effort in the history of Earth. Literally tens of millions of lives saved.
That did ZERO in terms of preventing the spread. Zero. I was crucified as were many others for stating this early on. I think someone actually called me a murderer. At the time, I believe I said I wasn't sure and did not believe it was preventing the spread of it. Which turned out to be true. I also don't think you can say tens of millions of lives were saved. If so, great. But not sure that can be claimed as a fact. Technically, you nor no one else knows if they would have died had they not had the vaccine.
 
Sorry. I was wrong.

The World Health Organization has zeroed in on sex as a major driver of the outbreak it declared a global emergency in July, noting infections were especially pronounced in men who have multiple male sex partners or attended events with frequent sexual activity.

WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus in a news conference last week said the outbreak could be stopped by a collective effort of government and individuals. He said men who have sex with men should consider reducing their number of sex partners, avoiding new ones and exchanging contact information to allow for contact tracing and post-exposure vaccination.

In your first post, you say the media will not inform people that Monkeypox is primarily being spread among gay men via sex.

You've now posted a Washington Post article that says just that.
 
97.6% protection from death, if you are over 50, vaccinated & boosted, as opposed to being unvaccinated.

The most successful vaccination effort in the history of Earth. Literally tens of millions of lives saved.
Again. I am not talking about death and the vaccines. I am referring to it's effectiveness from preventing the spread.
 
That did ZERO in terms of preventing the spread. Zero.
from alpha to beta to gamma to delta to omicron, protection from infection has waned, for sure. Protection from severe disease has not. And it's not just that variants are somehow mild. Over 50K Americans have died from Omicron due to being unvaccinated.

You seem to practice social distancing from facts.
 
The media will likely do it's best to avoid calling this what it is, a disease spread amongst gay men. But they won't. When you see children getting the disease and the parents are gay, CPS should be called. And now, in France, this poor dog. People are sick. If we had a media that wasn't so woke, they'd come out and ease any and all fears that says unless you are having sex with another gay man, you have nothing to worry about here. This is disgusting.

the media has said several times its spreading rapidly in the gay community. the vaccines are being targeted to such communities also, you are a dumbass with all this woke bullshit.
 
In your first post, you say the media will not inform people that Monkeypox is primarily being spread among gay men via sex.

You've now posted a Washington Post article that says just that.
That entire article focuses on spread in the gay community. it's amazing. Really. How anyone cannnot identify and recognize this as being spread by the gay community, you are in complete denial.
 
I know that it's spread on skin to skin contact and the lesions are almost exclusively in the genitalia area. So, is it 100% this came from sex. No. Is it more likely than not. I believe so, yes. Maybe they let the dog lick their groin area. Who knows. What I do know is the common denominator is gay men.
Ok, let's assume the common denominator is gay men. I think WHO and the media are reporting it pretty close to that way. Wasn't that your complaint? That the media wouldn't report this (which they have, by your own posts)?
 
from alpha to beta to gamma to delta to omicron, protection from infection has waned, for sure. Protection from severe disease has not. And it's not just that variants are somehow mild. Over 50K Americans have died from Omicron due to being unvaccinated.

You seem to practice social distancing from facts.
I am an absolute guy. We were told you couldnt' get it if you were vaccinated. That was wrong. 100% wrong. That's all that I am saying.
the media has said several times its spreading rapidly in the gay community. the vaccines are being targeted to such communities also, you are a dumbass with all this woke bullshit.
Thank Kurt. You join the long list of name callers. Congratulations!

Watch the news and see if they say "gay men". They won't. They'll say everything but that or avoid it as much as possible.
 
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Ok, let's assume the common denominator is gay men. I think WHO and the media are reporting it pretty close to that way. Wasn't that your complaint? That the media wouldn't report this (which they have, by your own posts)?
Yes. That's my point. But it's not an assumption. It's a fact. Thanks.
 
I am an absolute guy. We were told you couldnt' get it if you were vaccinated. That was wrong. 100% wrong. That's all that I am saying.

Thank Kurt. You join the long list of name callers. Congratulations!

Watch the news and see if they say "gay men". They won't. They'll say everything but that or avoid it as much as possible.
I watch CBS news almost every night and they have reported several times it's been spreading mostly amongst gay men, your original premises was just dead wrong, and I do get tired of everyone complaining or applying wokeness to every issue, I shouldn't have called you a dumbass
 
That did ZERO in terms of preventing the spread. Zero. I was crucified as were many others for stating this early on. I think someone actually called me a murderer. At the time, I believe I said I wasn't sure and did not believe it was preventing the spread of it. Which turned out to be true. I also don't think you can say tens of millions of lives were saved. If so, great. But not sure that can be claimed as a fact. Technically, you nor no one else knows if they would have died had they not had the vaccine.

It did reduce the spread because it reduced viral loads in vaccinated people and thus lessened their ability to spread it to others. So instead of spreading it to say 10 people, they would have spread it to 2 or 3 people because they weren't spewing out as much of the virus when they coughed/breathed. (numbers used for example purposes only as actually numbers would obviously vary).

You really need to research better.
 
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I watch CBS news almost every night and they have reported several times it's been spreading mostly amongst gay men, your original premises was just dead wrong, and I do get tired of everyone complaining or applying wokeness to every issue, I shouldn't have called you a dumbass
All good Kurt. I am having one of my mornings. Appreciate ya'll calling me out and bringing back to center on the woke take. Have a good day buddy.
 
It did reduce the spread because it reduced viral loads in vaccinated people and thus lessened their ability to spread it to others. So instead of spreading it to say 10 people, they would have spread it to 2 or 3 people because they weren't spewing out as much of the virus when they coughed/breathed. (numbers used for example purposes only as actually numbers would obviously vary).

You really need to research better.
But still spread, right? Move the goal post.
 
Just because it spread, doesn't mean it doesn't help. Stop misrepresenting the facts.

still spreading doesn't mean didn't help.
Hey. You may be right. But looking at just the amount of confirmed cases, did it really slow? I ask that honestly and objectively. It appears that in looking at the cadence of surges, it’s tough to say the vaccine was effective in reducing the cases. Add the number of people who got it more than once and/or never tested, I really don’t see how we can say the vaccine slowed the spread or reduced the number of people getting it. Seems the cases surged on a regular cadence and the reduction in cases has more to do with the virus running it’s natural course and fewer people testing than the vaccine reducing the cases. JMO.
 
@aajohn2000, I fear you left an impression that you believe gay people to be morally inferior to straight people. Or deserving of monkeypox. Or likely to have sex with dogs and children.

If that’s not what you intended, maybe clear that up?
Yes that was 100% my comprehension of the OP. If I was wrong, I apologize, but I’m pretty far from woke (paging @Bulk VanderHuge ) and I don’t know how any other interpretation could have been realized from those words.
 
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