says if the met on a neutral field Bama would be favored by 2 touchdowns, I think that may be a little extreme but would concede Bama would be a prohibitive favorite, following his logic should Las Vegas do the polls instead of the ap and coaches? F the SEC, we beat UCLA on the road by more than LSU did at home
Mike Greenburg was complaining about IU being ranked ahead of Alabama
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How many were they favored by over Vanderbilt? 22.5 points?
So by Greenburg's number, we beat 'Bama by 8.5 , (22.5 - 14 ) or to be nice we'll round down, we win by 8 .
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So by Greenburg's number, we beat 'Bama by 8.5 , (22.5 - 14 ) or to be nice we'll round down, we win by 8 .
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Meh. Just a random dumbass opinion from someone looking at the names of the schools. His suggested line is way off and proves he is not paying attention to either team.
WGAS about what Greenberg thinks.
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Greenburg is an idiot and does not research things, it is no wonder two guys split up on the show.
in the big picture it doesn't matter, at least you didn't leave me your usual response, Dumb
Being favored by 2 TD’s and winning by 2 TD’s is two different things.
But neither would be the case if we played,just another ‘expert’ living in the past.
Good ol Greeny.
The Northwestern grad. Talk about a guy that saw some really bad football during his college years. He was there during the Francis Peay years and they won 8 games in 4 years….total.
The Northwestern grad. Talk about a guy that saw some really bad football during his college years. He was there during the Francis Peay years and they won 8 games in 4 years….total.
Golic was great and Greenburg was always a doofus... I was glad when they split
Bama would be favored by 5.5-6 pts on a neutral field per Sagarin. I’d take IU and the points.
And Vandy lost to Georgia State....yet they're ranked. ESPN owns rights to SEC, so go figure.
Cignetti, and IU, have passed every test, and answered every question mark so far this year.
One that they haven't faced, is a team filled with 4 and 5 star kids like what Alabama would have.
We'll get that here in a few weeks with the Michigan and OSU games.
I have no doubts that a full strength Rourke led IU team, would be competitive with anyone in the country. I think the Jackson led Hoosier likely would as well, but there is some more unknown there...
But its not an outlandish take to question whether we're big and athletic enough to beat a team like Bama.
One that they haven't faced, is a team filled with 4 and 5 star kids like what Alabama would have.
We'll get that here in a few weeks with the Michigan and OSU games.
I have no doubts that a full strength Rourke led IU team, would be competitive with anyone in the country. I think the Jackson led Hoosier likely would as well, but there is some more unknown there...
But its not an outlandish take to question whether we're big and athletic enough to beat a team like Bama.
Nebraska is loaded with 4 star talent...
Yep...so?
I think the point is until IU plays a team with top of the B10, or SEC levels of talent, there still has to be some question marks.
I'm pretty confident in Cignetti and the fellas being competitive, against anyone. I think Greenburg is wrong. Sagarin doesn't fully agree with Greenburg, but does still have Bama as the "better" team.
Its not an outlandish take on his part, though.
There's Nebraska/Maryland/UCLA 4 star talent...the Grand Canyon...then Bama levels of talent.
Fine to question if we can beat Bama, but a 14 pt favorite is getting outlandish given what we have seen from Bama this year.
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The real rankings fraud is Penn St. at #3.
I do think Bana falling 8 spots in the rankings losing by 7 on the road to the #11 ranked team is stupid. Would they beat IU? I'd probably say it's likely but neither program is what it used to be.
Iu is a very good B1G power football team and should be able to compete with any team in the league. What separates Al, Ga, Tx etc from us is speed.
It's funny you bring that up, I was just looking at the SP+ rankings last night and it had PSU defense as #2 I think. I agree that they certainly don't FEEL like they're that good. But I guess we'll see if they're for real when they play OSU next weekend.
Penn State will lose at Wisconsin this week. Book it.
If they survive at Wisky this weekend.
Maybe I’m wrong and they’re good. Just haven’t seen it.
They're the most overrated team in the country and they are EVERY year. Their win vs Illinois was a good win but after that, it gets soft. They gave up 30 to USC to BARELY get that win by 3. They gave up 27 to Bowling Green on their way to just a 7pt win. IU beat UCLA by more points than Penn State did and Penn State played them in Happy Valley.
I am hoping Wisconsin can somehow beat them, then Ohio State demolishes them, and we won't need to pretend they're a good team anymore.
He doesn't understand the key to Tide being ranked higher is they have to win more. He's a lightweight who just can't muscle up.
Whatever your opinion may be on his take, he does indirectly amplify what could be the REAL issue/risk here...
We go 11-1, lose by (let's say...10) at OSU, and get left out of the B10 Championship...
Tennessee, LSU/A&M, or Bama with two losses likely gets in the Playoff over us because of:
1) Brand Name, and
2) Perceived SOS (was Nebraska ranked over all platforms when we beat them? Our only ranked game would have been a loss)
We mighta picked the wrong year to dump Louisville.
We go 11-1, lose by (let's say...10) at OSU, and get left out of the B10 Championship...
Tennessee, LSU/A&M, or Bama with two losses likely gets in the Playoff over us because of:
1) Brand Name, and
2) Perceived SOS (was Nebraska ranked over all platforms when we beat them? Our only ranked game would have been a loss)
We mighta picked the wrong year to dump Louisville.
My impression of the rankings is that OSU/Oregon/Georgia/Texas are the clear top 4 then things get real squishy for the next 10-12 spots. I think you can make a reasonable case for PSU at 5 because the next in line would be Miami/Tenn/LSU that have their own major question marks. PSU is Still likely very good, but have done nothing to be mixed in with the that top 4. Overall, I think there is a surprising level of parity in the top 20
If we go 11-1 and get left out of the playoffs it will be robbery.
FSU getting left out of 4 team playoff last year is one thing.
We go 11-1 and miss out? Nope,that is just wrong.
Especially when someone like BYU and/Boise St gets in.
You want to play the best you gotta beat the best. IU's destiny lies in their own hands. Beat Ahia at Ahia and 'nough said . . . on to the NCAA playoffs. Let the culture change sink in folks; we've got a winner . . . ask the Coach . . . better yet, Google him. What a time to be a Hoosier Football Fan !!!
I think LSU is hardly a top 25 team too. USC beat them and they are 1-4 in the B1G. Tennessee and Miami would work Penn State sideways. They are trash. IU would beat them by 14+
If IU plays Ohio State tough but loses and misses out on the B1G title game....I think IU 100% gets in if Ohio State wins the B1G title. OSU would then likely be the 1 or 2 seed and if our only loss is a close game AT the shoe....nah.
Now what would get hairy is if we lost to Ohio State but somehow still made it to the B1G title and played them again....and lost again. We'd have 2 losses and possibly no ranked wins so I could see them holding that against us.
Unless a LOT of things go against us in regards to the other teams ranked around us, the scenario you painted above will most likely get us into the playoffs. At 11-1 and having only 1 loss @ O$U, we make the playoffs in like 90%+ of the playoff models out there. Highly doubtful we'd get to host, but we would get in at like #10-12. If ALL the chips fall our way, and your scenario plays out, then we'd host the 1st round playoff game.
It feels insane to even type that out, but we will be favored in every game except @ O$U the rest of the season. 11-1 is a real possibility. If we somehow win @ O$U then we are in the CFP 100%, even if we get blown out in the BT championship game. 11-2 with a bad loss @ O$U and then getting our doors blown off in Indy by Oregon and I think we would miss the playoffs.
Tbf Boise St would be selected as the non-P4 team that was built into the format, and BYU is in the Big 12 now so they could get an automatic berth. Everything else you posted is spot on.
Maybe with Tenn, but I think Miami and PSU are very similar. Miami has struggled 3 weeks in a row against some very mediocre teams
Yeah I know they get the automatic bids but it just seems to me every time they try to fix something it creates more issues.
Just forget the automatic bids altogether and put the best 12 teams in based on whatever formula they use.
In all of those we would be in up to this point,still a lot of the season to go however.
I dunno man...Unless a LOT of things go against us in regards to the other teams ranked around us, the scenario you painted above will most likely get us into the playoffs. At 11-1 and having only 1 loss @ O$U, we make the playoffs in like 90%+ of the playoff models out there. Highly doubtful we'd get to host, but we would get in at like #10-12. If ALL the chips fall our way, and your scenario plays out, then we'd host the 1st round playoff game.
It feels insane to even type that out, but we will be favored in every game except @ O$U the rest of the season. 11-1 is a real possibility. If we somehow win @ O$U then we are in the CFP 100%, even if we get blown out in the BT championship game. 11-2 with a bad loss @ O$U and then getting our doors blown off in Indy by Oregon and I think we would miss the playoffs.
Oregon wins out.
Us, OSU, and PSU go 11-1, with OSU beating both of us...
Does our loss @ OSU weigh more than PSU's loss to OSU in Happy Valley?
That might be our situation...do 11-1 B10 teams have more "stick" than 10-2 SEC teams. 😬
I'm on board with this mild concern as well...
With your 11-1 Scenario...and a likely Oregon vs Ohio State rematch.
-Both those teams would be in the Playoff no matter what (Ohio State over IU, even with 2 losses)
-3 other P4 conference winners
-1 Group of 5 Auto bid
-Notre Dame if they're 11-1
So that'd be 7 of the 12 teams. Obviously after that is where all the major debate happens.
ACC title game could determine an extra spot. Seems like its trending towards a 1 loss Clemson team v undefeated Miami team. If Clemson were to beat Miami (likely in my opinion with how they've been playing lately), then both of them would get in. Takes a spot from at large pool.
Big 12 looks like a showdown between BYU and Iowa State, potentially both being undefeated. I would think the loser of that game, won't get in over a 1 loss IU team. But both teams would have a compelling case...is my opinion purely biased???
SEC who knows? Georgia maybe as the winner. Anyone else that only has 1 loss would probably get in over IU, no matter the scenario. So Texas, Tennessee, LSU, Texas A&M, Missouri. Some of those teams will beat up on each other. So SEC probably gets Champion, and lets say 1 more of those teams currently with 1 loss, finishes with only 1 loss. And then 2-3 teams with 2 losses.
It seems like it would be unlikely IU would be left out at 11-1. But if Clemson beats Miami, and BYU and Iowa State both finish regular season undefeated, and there are more than a couple 1 loss SEC teams...it could get iffy.
